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On April 05 2013 16:23 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 16:15 freakhill wrote:On April 05 2013 15:14 Type|NarutO wrote:
one asked for not host NA/EU tournaments or leagues, all we asked is simply not ban based on origin. It makes eSport look bad and no one would take it serious to begin with.
As far as I know most sports have origin locked nationals... Eurocup soccer teams are origin locked. Non-locked events are usually once-in-a-few-years exception. Are they origin locked, or are they locked for people that are not resident of the country? Because thats a huge difference. ESL Pro Series doesn't allow you to participate in it when your main residence isn't Germany, but it doesn't ban you because you are originally from Korea or any other country in the world. While its a small difference in its result, its a huge difference in setting the ruling. If a Korean has to move and be a resident of the US to participate in this league, its his choice but he has one. If you simply prevent him from playing because his origin is Korea (would apply for Polt for example) you are doing wrong - its really just that simple. Its nothing short of discrimination based on ones race which would lead me to believe people would judge you as racist and be right about it.
You need to read up on how this system works. Anyone can participate in any league, they just need to commit to one for the entire year.
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I don't care what country someone comes from as long as they play protoss. 
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First of all I will adress what Catz had to say in Sotg. He basically said that he would like some American tournaments to be only played by American's.
I'm pretty sure they can play some weekly tournaments with 100 or $200 cash prize on the NA server, if not then they can play on the EU server, the lag is not that aweful and you just have to beat Goody, Bly and Nerchio 
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On April 05 2013 16:33 Geos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 16:23 Type|NarutO wrote:On April 05 2013 16:15 freakhill wrote:On April 05 2013 15:14 Type|NarutO wrote:
one asked for not host NA/EU tournaments or leagues, all we asked is simply not ban based on origin. It makes eSport look bad and no one would take it serious to begin with.
As far as I know most sports have origin locked nationals... Eurocup soccer teams are origin locked. Non-locked events are usually once-in-a-few-years exception. Are they origin locked, or are they locked for people that are not resident of the country? Because thats a huge difference. ESL Pro Series doesn't allow you to participate in it when your main residence isn't Germany, but it doesn't ban you because you are originally from Korea or any other country in the world. While its a small difference in its result, its a huge difference in setting the ruling. If a Korean has to move and be a resident of the US to participate in this league, its his choice but he has one. If you simply prevent him from playing because his origin is Korea (would apply for Polt for example) you are doing wrong - its really just that simple. Its nothing short of discrimination based on ones race which would lead me to believe people would judge you as racist and be right about it. You need to read up on how this system works. Anyone can participate in any league, they just need to commit to one for the entire year.
It seems I actually don't have to read up how the system works, because I'm not discussing the WCS part here and now. Sorry if you misunderstood. Talking about establishing a tournament scene / leagues within EU and NA that POTENTIALLY ban based on origin, if you want to ask a few others here which I disagree with.
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I think there is a conflated point. An origin country is not a race (else, all national teams would be **racist**).
But I was confused
I think WCS style locking is the way to go.
*origin-country* locked tournaments are fine in my book (you can make national teams through these) but they shouldn't be the common ones as they are too exclusive toward a foreigner in his host country.
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Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic.
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On April 05 2013 17:10 playa wrote:
Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic.
really? how is this fucking anyone over?
IMO I think it's a smart move to develop the scene; sure the MLG's of the world might lose those top top Koreans who win every time but it also means a ton less B-teamers to fill out the rest of the tournament field. The only way to encourage growth in the North American and European scene is by 1. giving them something significant to win and 2. allowing regulated competition with Koreans.
Also this rule does not stop NA players going to Korea, or vice versa. The difference is that they need to commit much like real sports players need to make decisions like "do i want to remain in England or be sold to a team in Spain". David Beckham going to Galaxy is a real-world comparison to say...Polt living in the US to play MLG(i know he's here for studying, but let's be real he's not going to declare himself eligible for GSL/OSL is he).
The problem with WCS last time around was that in Korea the top, top players did not take the qualifiers as seriously due to GSL commitments as guys like Sting, Creator and First. This time around we will see a worldwide finals where the players there are the ones who paid for their ticket through blood, sweat and tears throughout the year, already hyped for the finals and we are only 1 Code S Ro32 group in.
The one thing I need to see rise up is a more prominent team league in EU/NA, I know there are some minor leagues floating around but frankly they need an MLG equivalent to GSTL.
I think it's smart also because with a focus on your "local" scene, more NA/EU teams will develop team houses etc. because they are instantly more relevant. You might say it's "fixing" results for foreigners but I just see it as the next step that needs to be taken in order to make E-sports more structured and successful!
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On April 05 2013 12:37 waylander_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 12:31 phodacbiet wrote:On April 05 2013 12:07 waylander_ wrote:On April 05 2013 11:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:On April 05 2013 11:40 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 05 2013 10:47 Ravensong170 wrote:
People need to calm down. I've said this numerous time. People have so much hate for the NA/EU scene. Personally, I stop watching sc2 when its just Koreans, (unless Hero, Sage, MKP are involved) because they have no emotion. Literally they seem like robots to me. I watch for the story, for the excitement of that. When Vibe beat Flying at MLG (forget which one) pr when Scarlett came out of nowhere or when Idra 2-0 RoRo at WCS. Those are exciting. When X Korean, plays Y Korean, its not exciting to me.
Before I get flamed for not wanting the best games, that's not it, its just for me I watch Esports not for the game, but for the entirety. The story behind the games and the games.
So yea if all regions were equally good at sc2, then sure that's the ideal situation. But its not. WCS is providing a way for NON-Koreans to play in tournaments where they won't get rofl stomped immediately. And yes I am one of the people who believes that the level of play from NA/EU will be better.
People need to stop the hate and just admit that this is good for esports, i know that's hard for so many people to do because Blizzard is the one organizing this, but this is growth. And that's what everyone wants right?
and before everyone jumps on the bandwagon of the MC whine/complaining, the whole system hasn't happened yet and the only tournament that has started is the GSL. CHill and wait for the season to fully kick in. Guys like White Ra, Stephano, Idra, Incontrol, Naniwa, Huk, Grubby, Demuslim and Catz might have personality sure. but there's no way you can argue that players like Kas, Happy, Sase, Nerchio, Snute, Lucifron, Vibe, Vortix, Sen, Morrow, Thorzain are these big time personalities because they're not, they're just as faceless and boring as people as any Koreans are. A lot of, if not the majority of top foreign players are equally are dull as personalities as the Alive's, Sniper's and Puma's of this world. Also guys like MC, Mkp, Polt, Parting, Mvp, DRG, Nestea, Violet and others have a lot of personality/story to them. The difference between the boring Koreans and the boring Foreigners is that most foreigners still speak English, which means you can understand them.It may seem like a small thing, but there's a large jump between watching a good player play, and watching a good player who you've watched commentate his ladder streaming. Oh, and the boring Koreans work 10x as hard and are the far better players. But seems like people are just fine with glorifying lazy foreigners. I mean, fuck hard work, right? Im pretty sure both work just as hard... but the atmosphere there is just better, hence deeper talent pool. Its like comparing an average TL reader to an average Bnet forum reader. The TL reader on average will be better because they are exposed to more build/strats/whines/ etc etc and will know more than the bnet forum readers who just complains about random stuff all day. Koreans living in korea will be able to speak with each other for builds and find the best most effective builds while foreigners have only access to replays/ each other hence why they are worse. Cause lets be serious here, if you get cheesed on KR, you learn how to hold it or else you stay in your league without improving. In EU/US, if u get cheesed, average player will blame the game and call the other guy a cheesy #$(*#. Hence in Korea koreans have better practice -> better, while US/EU chobo noob practice = worst. wait... you think foreigners practice remotely as hard as ESF or Kespa players?
I'm sure some do, just Koreans practice far more efficiently.
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People that say" i wonna see best players a.k. koreans only etc" are mostly hardcore gamers/are rly good at SC.Its rly limited group of ppl and if we wonna esport to grow a.k. get more ppl to play/watch games we need new ppl that dont know @#$# bout SC most of times and aside fact that they couldnt say whats "best play" and whats "medicore play", its way easier for lets say some random french dude to get hooked up on SC couse he can see hes country mate Stephano slaying nerds around comapre to some faceless korean(to him that is, not saying kreans are, well not all of them  ).And after he gets hooked he can than see diff in play style and than he can join your club "i wonna see only best play club".So bottom line is we need regional play same as we need best play(for those harcore fans), so going full korean is stupid and hope "epsorts ppl that control this scene" wont let that happen.My 2 cents.
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On April 05 2013 17:23 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 17:10 playa wrote:
Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic. really? how is this fucking anyone over? IMO I think it's a smart move to develop the scene; sure the MLG's of the world might lose those top top Koreans who win every time but it also means a ton less B-teamers to fill out the rest of the tournament field. The only way to encourage growth in the North American and European scene is by 1. giving them something significant to win and 2. allowing regulated competition with Koreans. Also this rule does not stop NA players going to Korea, or vice versa. The difference is that they need to commit much like real sports players need to make decisions like "do i want to remain in England or be sold to a team in Spain". David Beckham going to Galaxy is a real-world comparison to say...Polt living in the US to play MLG(i know he's here for studying, but let's be real he's not going to declare himself eligible for GSL/OSL is he). The problem with WCS last time around was that in Korea the top, top players did not take the qualifiers as seriously due to GSL commitments as guys like Sting, Creator and First. This time around we will see a worldwide finals where the players there are the ones who paid for their ticket through blood, sweat and tears throughout the year, already hyped for the finals and we are only 1 Code S Ro32 group in. The one thing I need to see rise up is a more prominent team league in EU/NA, I know there are some minor leagues floating around but frankly they need an MLG equivalent to GSTL. I think it's smart also because with a focus on your "local" scene, more NA/EU teams will develop team houses etc. because they are instantly more relevant. You might say it's "fixing" results for foreigners but I just see it as the next step that needs to be taken in order to make E-sports more structured and successful!
Focus on local scene? Let's say you live in Kansas. Well, I just created a region called Kansas and invited some Koreans to play in your local scene via the internet. Bam, your local scene has just been increased because some Koreans won an online region with Kansas in the name. Feel free to send me a thank you card.
Nothing about this screams anything but I've been thinking about how to maximize profit and limit scheduling conflicts. And, that's natural for any business at the beginning stages of an endeavor. But, it's ridiculous to call this anything but a fuckjob. Do you have any idea how many people cheated in BW? A game with absolutely nothing to fucking gain by cheating. If it weren't for anti hack in online qualifiers, I would have never had a chance. Fringe players have no shot.
What was the strongest case for Lance Armstrong having cheated? You know a lot of the best riders are cheating, and yet year after year this guy is good enough, clean, to beat all of his peers that are cheating? Anytime you up the ante in prize but addressing cheating isn't something you're already prepared to do, you don't have competitive sports. You have a scheme to make money. Competitive cheating. And, given a farce of a sport atm, why not have Kansas be filled with Korean champions, while we're at it.
Honestly, if they can't get serious about doing something to prevent cheating, I'd rather Koreans win every spot than act like something legit is going on. At least this is just blatant and Koreans are good enough to overcome it, even though a lot of them will probably cheat, too.
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I wan't to see the best gameplay possible, and if it turns out that a foreigner can compete with that then i will cheer for that player. Why? Well, it's fun to see a underdog win because we (non-koreans) are underdogs ourself.
All these discussions about "it's racist" this and that. Well I guess all sports are racist then on national level, so we should probably close down the Olympics and WCs in sports.
People like to belong and most people are foreigners not close to the koreans in skill, and thus cheer for their bad mates.
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On April 05 2013 17:47 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 17:23 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On April 05 2013 17:10 playa wrote:
Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic. really? how is this fucking anyone over? IMO I think it's a smart move to develop the scene; sure the MLG's of the world might lose those top top Koreans who win every time but it also means a ton less B-teamers to fill out the rest of the tournament field. The only way to encourage growth in the North American and European scene is by 1. giving them something significant to win and 2. allowing regulated competition with Koreans. Also this rule does not stop NA players going to Korea, or vice versa. The difference is that they need to commit much like real sports players need to make decisions like "do i want to remain in England or be sold to a team in Spain". David Beckham going to Galaxy is a real-world comparison to say...Polt living in the US to play MLG(i know he's here for studying, but let's be real he's not going to declare himself eligible for GSL/OSL is he). The problem with WCS last time around was that in Korea the top, top players did not take the qualifiers as seriously due to GSL commitments as guys like Sting, Creator and First. This time around we will see a worldwide finals where the players there are the ones who paid for their ticket through blood, sweat and tears throughout the year, already hyped for the finals and we are only 1 Code S Ro32 group in. The one thing I need to see rise up is a more prominent team league in EU/NA, I know there are some minor leagues floating around but frankly they need an MLG equivalent to GSTL. I think it's smart also because with a focus on your "local" scene, more NA/EU teams will develop team houses etc. because they are instantly more relevant. You might say it's "fixing" results for foreigners but I just see it as the next step that needs to be taken in order to make E-sports more structured and successful! Focus on local scene? Let's say you live in Kansas. Well, I just created a region called Kansas and invited some Koreans to play in your local scene via the internet. Bam, your local scene has just been increased because some Koreans won an online region with Kansas in the name. Feel free to send me a thank you card. Nothing about this screams anything but I've been thinking about how to maximize profit and limit scheduling conflicts. And, that's natural for any business at the beginning stages of an endeavor. But, it's ridiculous to call this anything but a fuckjob. Do you have any idea how many people cheated in BW? A game with absolutely nothing to fucking gain by cheating. If it weren't for anti hack in online qualifiers, I would have never had a chance. Fringe players have no shot. What was the strongest case for Lance Armstrong having cheated? You know a lot of the best riders are cheating, and yet year after year this guy is good enough, clean, to beat all of his peers that are cheating? Anytime you up the ante in prize but addressing cheating isn't something you're already prepared to do, you don't have competitive sports. You have a scheme to make money. Competitive cheating. And, given a farce of a sport atm, why not have Kansas be filled with Korean champions, while we're at it. Honestly, if they can't get serious about doing something to prevent cheating, I'd rather Koreans win every spot than act like something legit is going on. At least this is just blatant and Koreans are good enough to overcome it, even though a lot of them will probably cheat, too.
Um...how is anyone supposed to cheat at MLG/GSL offline? BW was a different game in a different time, and frankly all of the talk in the Blizzard announcement was that the majority of WCS points would be for off-line Blizzard-supported events, with Blizzard appointing points for smaller tournaments. Rest assured, Go4SC2 Wednesday will not qualify you for WCS Finals...
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On April 05 2013 19:54 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 17:47 playa wrote:On April 05 2013 17:23 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On April 05 2013 17:10 playa wrote:
Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic. really? how is this fucking anyone over? IMO I think it's a smart move to develop the scene; sure the MLG's of the world might lose those top top Koreans who win every time but it also means a ton less B-teamers to fill out the rest of the tournament field. The only way to encourage growth in the North American and European scene is by 1. giving them something significant to win and 2. allowing regulated competition with Koreans. Also this rule does not stop NA players going to Korea, or vice versa. The difference is that they need to commit much like real sports players need to make decisions like "do i want to remain in England or be sold to a team in Spain". David Beckham going to Galaxy is a real-world comparison to say...Polt living in the US to play MLG(i know he's here for studying, but let's be real he's not going to declare himself eligible for GSL/OSL is he). The problem with WCS last time around was that in Korea the top, top players did not take the qualifiers as seriously due to GSL commitments as guys like Sting, Creator and First. This time around we will see a worldwide finals where the players there are the ones who paid for their ticket through blood, sweat and tears throughout the year, already hyped for the finals and we are only 1 Code S Ro32 group in. The one thing I need to see rise up is a more prominent team league in EU/NA, I know there are some minor leagues floating around but frankly they need an MLG equivalent to GSTL. I think it's smart also because with a focus on your "local" scene, more NA/EU teams will develop team houses etc. because they are instantly more relevant. You might say it's "fixing" results for foreigners but I just see it as the next step that needs to be taken in order to make E-sports more structured and successful! Focus on local scene? Let's say you live in Kansas. Well, I just created a region called Kansas and invited some Koreans to play in your local scene via the internet. Bam, your local scene has just been increased because some Koreans won an online region with Kansas in the name. Feel free to send me a thank you card. Nothing about this screams anything but I've been thinking about how to maximize profit and limit scheduling conflicts. And, that's natural for any business at the beginning stages of an endeavor. But, it's ridiculous to call this anything but a fuckjob. Do you have any idea how many people cheated in BW? A game with absolutely nothing to fucking gain by cheating. If it weren't for anti hack in online qualifiers, I would have never had a chance. Fringe players have no shot. What was the strongest case for Lance Armstrong having cheated? You know a lot of the best riders are cheating, and yet year after year this guy is good enough, clean, to beat all of his peers that are cheating? Anytime you up the ante in prize but addressing cheating isn't something you're already prepared to do, you don't have competitive sports. You have a scheme to make money. Competitive cheating. And, given a farce of a sport atm, why not have Kansas be filled with Korean champions, while we're at it. Honestly, if they can't get serious about doing something to prevent cheating, I'd rather Koreans win every spot than act like something legit is going on. At least this is just blatant and Koreans are good enough to overcome it, even though a lot of them will probably cheat, too. Um...how is anyone supposed to cheat at MLG/GSL offline? BW was a different game in a different time, and frankly all of the talk in the Blizzard announcement was that the majority of WCS points would be for off-line Blizzard-supported events, with Blizzard appointing points for smaller tournaments. Rest assured, Go4SC2 Wednesday will not qualify you for WCS Finals...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but offline events don't start until the final 16. The only thing preventing hackers from ending up in the final 16, atm, are people being that much better than them. And given that, it's pretty irrelevant that you can't hack in an offline event if few legit players even have a chance to qualify.
As someone that wants to watch foreigners and also have a chance to watch the best of the best play each other, this format couldn't be worse. Once Koreans split among regions, you lose the chance to watch the best of the best until the global finals, and you never get to see foreigners win anything. This is all around horrendous. There's way less reason to play now than in relation to the WCS last season. Hoping your region isn't all Koreans. Hoping the honor system is working and your opponents, even if foreigners, aren't hacking. With all that is left for chance, even an atheist would be praying to god. Because, you'd need a miracle for it to make sense.
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If there was a US regional tourney say 16 or 32 players that is held one day a month what would it take in terms of prize pool to get pros to participate?
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Arguing like this is idiocy. I think both sides have a point. Top level tournaments should be open to everyone, but we need more local and regional tournaments. It's like this in every other sport, Bbal, Golf, Football(European),etc. You don't see anyone from those scenes whining about regional/local scenes. They're done to promote competition and cultivate players. We already have premier tournaments with different formats. GSL, GSTL, Proleague, MLG, IEM, and IPL. Let's develop the lower level scene now.
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On April 06 2013 04:40 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 19:54 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On April 05 2013 17:47 playa wrote:On April 05 2013 17:23 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On April 05 2013 17:10 playa wrote:
Given that I have heard 0 information on preventing hacking or punishments to be given, I'm going with fuck it. Obviously they haven't gotten past the how can we make the most money stage. Once they get to the not fucking over players stage, maybe it will be worth caring about. These guys need to be looking at real sports if they want to become one. Every real sport would view this as pathetic. really? how is this fucking anyone over? IMO I think it's a smart move to develop the scene; sure the MLG's of the world might lose those top top Koreans who win every time but it also means a ton less B-teamers to fill out the rest of the tournament field. The only way to encourage growth in the North American and European scene is by 1. giving them something significant to win and 2. allowing regulated competition with Koreans. Also this rule does not stop NA players going to Korea, or vice versa. The difference is that they need to commit much like real sports players need to make decisions like "do i want to remain in England or be sold to a team in Spain". David Beckham going to Galaxy is a real-world comparison to say...Polt living in the US to play MLG(i know he's here for studying, but let's be real he's not going to declare himself eligible for GSL/OSL is he). The problem with WCS last time around was that in Korea the top, top players did not take the qualifiers as seriously due to GSL commitments as guys like Sting, Creator and First. This time around we will see a worldwide finals where the players there are the ones who paid for their ticket through blood, sweat and tears throughout the year, already hyped for the finals and we are only 1 Code S Ro32 group in. The one thing I need to see rise up is a more prominent team league in EU/NA, I know there are some minor leagues floating around but frankly they need an MLG equivalent to GSTL. I think it's smart also because with a focus on your "local" scene, more NA/EU teams will develop team houses etc. because they are instantly more relevant. You might say it's "fixing" results for foreigners but I just see it as the next step that needs to be taken in order to make E-sports more structured and successful! Focus on local scene? Let's say you live in Kansas. Well, I just created a region called Kansas and invited some Koreans to play in your local scene via the internet. Bam, your local scene has just been increased because some Koreans won an online region with Kansas in the name. Feel free to send me a thank you card. Nothing about this screams anything but I've been thinking about how to maximize profit and limit scheduling conflicts. And, that's natural for any business at the beginning stages of an endeavor. But, it's ridiculous to call this anything but a fuckjob. Do you have any idea how many people cheated in BW? A game with absolutely nothing to fucking gain by cheating. If it weren't for anti hack in online qualifiers, I would have never had a chance. Fringe players have no shot. What was the strongest case for Lance Armstrong having cheated? You know a lot of the best riders are cheating, and yet year after year this guy is good enough, clean, to beat all of his peers that are cheating? Anytime you up the ante in prize but addressing cheating isn't something you're already prepared to do, you don't have competitive sports. You have a scheme to make money. Competitive cheating. And, given a farce of a sport atm, why not have Kansas be filled with Korean champions, while we're at it. Honestly, if they can't get serious about doing something to prevent cheating, I'd rather Koreans win every spot than act like something legit is going on. At least this is just blatant and Koreans are good enough to overcome it, even though a lot of them will probably cheat, too. Um...how is anyone supposed to cheat at MLG/GSL offline? BW was a different game in a different time, and frankly all of the talk in the Blizzard announcement was that the majority of WCS points would be for off-line Blizzard-supported events, with Blizzard appointing points for smaller tournaments. Rest assured, Go4SC2 Wednesday will not qualify you for WCS Finals... Correct me if I'm wrong, but offline events don't start until the final 16. The only thing preventing hackers from ending up in the final 16, atm, are people being that much better than them. And given that, it's pretty irrelevant that you can't hack in an offline event if few legit players even have a chance to qualify. As someone that wants to watch foreigners and also have a chance to watch the best of the best play each other, this format couldn't be worse. Once Koreans split among regions, you lose the chance to watch the best of the best until the global finals, and you never get to see foreigners win anything. This is all around horrendous. There's way less reason to play now than in relation to the WCS last season. Hoping your region isn't all Koreans. Hoping the honor system is working and your opponents, even if foreigners, aren't hacking. With all that is left for chance, even an atheist would be praying to god. Because, you'd need a miracle for it to make sense.
If people consistently hack people will find out. Sure someone could potentially be subtle enough to cheat once or twice and get away with it but anyone using things like maphacks or macro's consistently will eventually be found out. It's very hard to hide that you are cheating, at least if the tournament is big enough that a player got a lot of spot light on them.
And once someone is proven to hack they are shunned by the community. That's not to say someone won't try but there's a decent incentive not to do it.
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And once someone is proven to hack they are shunned by the community. That's not to say someone won't try but there's a decent incentive not to do it.
Still super annoying on ladder though.
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Many years I was really into Street Fighter tournaments. I live in Virginia and we'd have a tournament every 2 weeks at the one remaining popular arcade in the state.
At one point, one of the best players in the country who lives in New York City decided to start attending our tournaments. He was completely out of our league, won first place for 4 months straight, and claimed the prize money for every tournament. He did this to basically get a free trip to Virginia on the weekend, and for the fun of proving yourself superior.
One day I suggested on shoryuken.com that maybe we should try having one single solitary tournament without the top player. Then for once, tournament results wouldn't be based on which player was lucky enough to run into the pro last in the brackets, and the prize money would go to someone in our community.
The outrage was loud, swift, and stupid - "OMG YOU WANT TO BAN SKILL" "EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T SUCK IS BANNED AHAHAHA RETARD" and so on. They suggested learning from his playstyle and either copying it or figuring out counters- hard to do when he played 5 matchups per tournament and there's no video recording, no Youtube, etc. to learn how the pros manage to play so well. The community had spoken and it wasn't going to happen, so I backed off.
Well, I still think it's a good idea, and it would be good for SC2 as well. Why can't we have a North American championship to find out who is the best player living in North America? I'm not saying let's ban Koreans from every tournament, but is there harm to be done by trying it once?
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im a 8 year broodwar player and i was someone who was alway saying let the best player in the world win , no matter where he from , reward skill , not where they are from , this was the offcial view about e-sport in broodwar , and let face it , in the end this was korean vs korean only.
and sadly the same start to happen in starcraft 2 , they are far less foreigner who can win vs korean , many top foreigner just stop playing , they give up , no one come after them . almost zero new blood , because you need money to live in this world and who want to enter it if you know you will win nothing ?
that cute to be the best of the best in a computer game but in the end MONEY of course motivate you .
TAKE THE KOREAN FOR THIS EXEMPLE , why they are not happy with the new blizzard league ? this clearly go with the mindset ''be the best in the world'' well no , they whine , they will get less money and they go full emo . they will even travel for go where the competive scene more easy for them.....
while the top foreigner are in this boat since 1-2 year now , they practice , get no money , win no tournament .
that would be about time from the people who want E-SPORT to grow to support it , are you guy blind ?
for e-sport to grow you need fans , for a fans the bond more strong when the guy come from your country , talk your langage and so on , THAT THE SAME IN ANY SPORT .
for grow e-sport you need people who dream about becoming a pro gamer , see people win tournament , get money and fame , you think people outside korea will want to become a pro gamer 2 year from now , when they see only korean win tournament after tournament ?
and honestly let talk about quality of the game and skill , top foreigner can make game fun to watch and some time way more fun to watch that watching a 1vs1 vs 2 korean , and honestly for most casual watcher they cant pick the skill diference from a top foreigner and a korean . that realy YOUR BEST REASON ??!
with your guy mindset of ''be the best of the best'' will kill e-sport and make starcraft 2 just like broodwar , mark my word because im going archive it and quote this topic 2 year from now ( hope this will be ok to bump a old post lol ? ) when the e-sport start to be only active in korea .
but this view dont help grow e-sport ,
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Why? Because otherwise this game will go down the broodwar-road. Hardly anyone will watch outside of korea and foreign tournaments will die out.
Not to mention that the skill-level would rise a lot if bigger countries actually used their - much bigger - playerpool as well as korea does.
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