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On April 03 2013 22:33 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:17 Qikz wrote:On April 03 2013 22:14 Butterednuts wrote:
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that. They have to pay for all their own travel, so it'll cost them lots. On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.
Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:
1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.
2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.
Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring. you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best I'd argue that the Premier League is the most prestigious in Football. LOL, stop embarrassing my country with your ignorance. The Champions League is the most prestigious by fucking miles. The Premier League isn't even the top league in Europe right now.
Holy shit dude, chill the fuck out.
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On April 03 2013 22:30 Crownlol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:24 dacimvrl wrote:On April 03 2013 17:55 Eury wrote:On April 03 2013 17:34 igay wrote:On April 03 2013 17:15 Eury wrote:
There were way too many GSLs anyway. Being a GSL champion didn't mean as much as it should had. Just look at Seed. Are you kidding me seed is so good, and I guess I was sorta right XD You missed my point. Winning a GSL should be a huge deal but many don't even remember Seed winning it because one GSL isn't worth much when you have 10 a year. The most prestigious sporting events in the world are the olympics and the world cup in soccer largely because they happen rarely. I think 2 GSL and 2 OSL a year is pretty much perfect for the scene. Except for there were only 5 last year.. versus 8 MLGs last year.......yeah okay..and yet MLG had the highest viewer numbers ever. so you are saying 4 tournaments is way better than 5? Come on....you can't be serious.. Depends on the quality of tournament! 4 great is better than 5 good.
but they are the same code S players and the same production team.....
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On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools.
What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too
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On April 03 2013 22:31 Irre wrote:
P.S. Polt must be the happiest guy in the world right now lol!
Stephano must be extremely glad to forfeit that code S spot as well!
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On April 03 2013 22:03 Jerom wrote:
If I understood this correctly the casters from GSL and Proleague will be switching turns each season. If that's the case then I'm very disappointed with this because that means they'll be replacing the ever so awesome tastosis combo with much worse casters T.T
Proleague is unaffected, but GSL and OSL will be taking turns.
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On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too
Kespa might not care about those events and really only TL was sending Korean players to Dream Hack. Those events will matter, since they will have points for people who are in the region, but they are likely going to be open style events that only feed into WSC is a passive way.
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On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too
i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe
if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do?
afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn
also, what happens to my ogn subscription
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This seems pretty awsome overall. Little too lazy to read 98 pages, but anyone know why Dreamhack drew the short stick'?
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i highly doubt the independants will receive less attention, they will be the biggest ground for korean vs. foreigner interaction this year
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On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription
You get VODs, which is what you want for OGN. We can just watch live at a higher quality, which still doesn't fix the fact that I need to sleep to not die.
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On April 03 2013 22:35 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:16 tozi wrote:
before I comment I what I think about this announcement, I want to clarify.
What are the names of each tournament, everyone is throwing around different names for the same thing
is it GSL Korea - MLG NA - ESL EU
or
WCS europe, korea, NA
or
GSL Korea - GSL NA - GSL EU
and EACH region will have a Code S, and Challenger's Bracket (Code A-B, Up and Down)? WCS Europe will be hosted by Turtle Entertainment (known for IEM, ESL, etc.). WCS America will be hosted by Major League Gaming (not to be confused with the single MLG events). WCS Korea is the GSL/OSL combined hosted by GomTV and OnGameNet taking seasonal turns. So all the single tournaments produced by the above Western companies will still be around and classified non-WCS (possibly giving out WCS points). The special snowflake is Korea where WCS rules now mandate that no foreigner can take part in GSL/OSL unless they commit to the WCS KR region for an entire year (and therefore stay in Korea). The team leagues, GSTL and Proleague, are classified non-WCS and will also still be around. DreamHack and NASL will be independent non-WCS tournaments. Interesting will be how the seasonal switch between GSL and OSL will work. Since it was stressed that all WCS tournaments adopt the GSL model (Code S = Premier League, Code A = Challenger League, Code B = Qualifier League) and taking into account that the remaining top 4 players from the last OSL (  Rain,  Last) were seeded into Code S, I assume that it will basically be the same tournament with the exact same players. That means that that top 8 of this upcoming GSL season will be playing in OSL the following season. Same with those that qualify for Code S through Code A or the Up and Downs.
Is this confirmed that if somebody plays in Code S then he has to play in WCS Korea only? I mean if playing in MLG doesng bind you to WCS America then why would GSL do?
Edit: Maybe thats why Korean players will be able to change region after season 1? Because first will be like you said same tournament, but later there will be 2 different. And then GSL wont bind you to WCS Korea.
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are players locked for their whole life ? or just for like one year or so ?
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On April 03 2013 22:48 Kylo55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:35 Proseat wrote:On April 03 2013 22:16 tozi wrote:
before I comment I what I think about this announcement, I want to clarify.
What are the names of each tournament, everyone is throwing around different names for the same thing
is it GSL Korea - MLG NA - ESL EU
or
WCS europe, korea, NA
or
GSL Korea - GSL NA - GSL EU
and EACH region will have a Code S, and Challenger's Bracket (Code A-B, Up and Down)? WCS Europe will be hosted by Turtle Entertainment (known for IEM, ESL, etc.). WCS America will be hosted by Major League Gaming (not to be confused with the single MLG events). WCS Korea is the GSL/OSL combined hosted by GomTV and OnGameNet taking seasonal turns. So all the single tournaments produced by the above Western companies will still be around and classified non-WCS (possibly giving out WCS points). The special snowflake is Korea where WCS rules now mandate that no foreigner can take part in GSL/OSL unless they commit to the WCS KR region for an entire year (and therefore stay in Korea). The team leagues, GSTL and Proleague, are classified non-WCS and will also still be around. DreamHack and NASL will be independent non-WCS tournaments. Interesting will be how the seasonal switch between GSL and OSL will work. Since it was stressed that all WCS tournaments adopt the GSL model (Code S = Premier League, Code A = Challenger League, Code B = Qualifier League) and taking into account that the remaining top 4 players from the last OSL ( Rain, Last) were seeded into Code S, I assume that it will basically be the same tournament with the exact same players. That means that that top 8 of this upcoming GSL season will be playing in OSL the following season. Same with those that qualify for Code S through Code A or the Up and Downs. Is this confirmed that if somebody plays in Code S then he has to play in WCS Korea only? I mean if playing in MLG doesng bind you to WCS America then why would GSL do?
Because you confuse the company name Major League Gaming for the single MLG events that we're used to.
The company MLG will still hold their MLG championships (pretty sure, if not for all the gold passes alone) but will also in addition produce the WCS America tournament. Same with Turtle Entertainment not giving up their Intel Extreme Masters (IEM) in the same vein.
And as I said, Korea is the special snowflake.
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On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription
Dreamhack player pools are usually poor though.
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On April 03 2013 22:48 Kylo55 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:35 Proseat wrote:On April 03 2013 22:16 tozi wrote:
before I comment I what I think about this announcement, I want to clarify.
What are the names of each tournament, everyone is throwing around different names for the same thing
is it GSL Korea - MLG NA - ESL EU
or
WCS europe, korea, NA
or
GSL Korea - GSL NA - GSL EU
and EACH region will have a Code S, and Challenger's Bracket (Code A-B, Up and Down)? WCS Europe will be hosted by Turtle Entertainment (known for IEM, ESL, etc.). WCS America will be hosted by Major League Gaming (not to be confused with the single MLG events). WCS Korea is the GSL/OSL combined hosted by GomTV and OnGameNet taking seasonal turns. So all the single tournaments produced by the above Western companies will still be around and classified non-WCS (possibly giving out WCS points). The special snowflake is Korea where WCS rules now mandate that no foreigner can take part in GSL/OSL unless they commit to the WCS KR region for an entire year (and therefore stay in Korea). The team leagues, GSTL and Proleague, are classified non-WCS and will also still be around. DreamHack and NASL will be independent non-WCS tournaments. Interesting will be how the seasonal switch between GSL and OSL will work. Since it was stressed that all WCS tournaments adopt the GSL model (Code S = Premier League, Code A = Challenger League, Code B = Qualifier League) and taking into account that the remaining top 4 players from the last OSL ( Rain, Last) were seeded into Code S, I assume that it will basically be the same tournament with the exact same players. That means that that top 8 of this upcoming GSL season will be playing in OSL the following season. Same with those that qualify for Code S through Code A or the Up and Downs. Is this confirmed that if somebody plays in Code S then he has to play in WCS Korea only? I mean if playing in MLG doesng bind you to WCS America then why would GSL do? Edit: Maybe thats why Korean players will be able to change region after season 1? Because first will be like you said same tournament, but later there will be 2 different. And then GSL wont bind you to WCS Korea.
They'll have to play in WCS Kr as their WCS region. It won't stop them from going to any non WCS tournament.
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GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all.
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On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription
Its a very good point but the ones that got the licences for this read very familiar to the ones that got the licences and backing at the original WoL release that was also MLG. GOMTV (OGN could have too but chose to stick with kespa at the time) and ESL.
Are Blizzard unwilling to include other partners (Chinese TV also covers starcraft2 as shown in the G-league and WCS) or do they just not care about certain markets.
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On April 03 2013 22:55 DiMano wrote:
GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all.
They're different tournaments, they both just feed into the same tournament.
See for example a school system.
You have 2 primary schools (6-11) which then feed into the same senior school (11-17) which doesn't mean they're the same schools they come from, just that they end up in the same place.
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On April 03 2013 22:55 DiMano wrote:
GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all.
But it makes sense since they're taking turns in producing it. Would be strange if the top 8 of this upcoming season of GSL would have to wait until GomTV produces again. Also, why would they have seeded Rain and Last into Code S then? They (plus MC and DRG) were the top 4 of the last OSL and thus qualified for the next OSL (which is now this upcoming GSL).
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Sounds all rather intresting. Kinda all i can say about it.
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