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Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
April 03 2013 13:03 GMT
#1901
If I understood this correctly the casters from GSL and Proleague will be switching turns each season. If that's the case then I'm very disappointed with this because that means they'll be replacing the ever so awesome tastosis combo with much worse casters T.T
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 03 2013 13:03 GMT
#1902
This is what everyone was so worried about?

This looks awesome, I'm stoked.
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hwatti
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland136 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 13:05:36
April 03 2013 13:04 GMT
#1903
On April 03 2013 22:03 Jerom wrote:
If I understood this correctly the casters from GSL and Proleague will be switching turns each season. If that's the case then I'm very disappointed with this because that means they'll be replacing the ever so awesome tastosis combo with much worse casters T.T


No that is not correct. GSL casters will be broadcasting the OGN stream on their own stream and the other way around. I don't think the proleague casters have anything to do with this...

edit yeah:
"The two broadcasters will take turns holding the WCS Korea tourneys. OGN will receive feed from GomTV, but use their own casters. In reverse, GomTV will receive OGN's feeds and use their own casters when OGN runs the studio. Doa and montecristo to do casting for OGN, Tastosis for GSL. "
Weird side out
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
April 03 2013 13:05 GMT
#1904
I'm worried about the value of winning the GSL Code S, since the main thing it does is qualify you for the global seasonal event.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 13:06:11
April 03 2013 13:05 GMT
#1905
On April 03 2013 22:02 bongling wrote:
maybe im slow but if you're region locked, does that mean code s koreans can't play mlg?

no, Code S koreans can play at the standard MLGs, which are continuing. however, they cannot play in the WCS NA league

On April 03 2013 22:05 Grumbels wrote:
I'm worried about the value of winning the GSL Code S, since the main thing it does is qualify you for the global seasonal event.

Code S will remain more prestigious than WCS due to the level of competition
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th3rogue
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany683 Posts
April 03 2013 13:05 GMT
#1906
On April 03 2013 22:02 bongling wrote:
maybe im slow but if you're region locked, does that mean code s koreans can't play mlg?

Region lock only applies to WCS leagues: if you play WCS Korea, you cannot play WCS NA or EU, etc

WCS NA and EU are hosted by MLG and ESL; they are separate to any other events they run
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MarcoBrei
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil66 Posts
April 03 2013 13:06 GMT
#1907
In general it is good. But some things are not good for e-sport, I think:
1. Classification to world championship using "points".
2. League region not related to nationality.
We want to make e-sports more popular, so we should have more simple and straight foward rules.
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 03 2013 13:07 GMT
#1908
On April 03 2013 22:05 Grumbels wrote:
I'm worried about the value of winning the GSL Code S, since the main thing it does is qualify you for the global seasonal event.


I'm guessing the prize pool for a Code S win will still be pretty big.

But yeah, it will be slightly less valuable to win Code S now, but the benefits to the rest of the scene far outweigh this and I say that as someone who only watches Sc2 when Koreans are playing.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 03 2013 13:08 GMT
#1909
I haven't seen the actual game format yet. Will be be daily matches like GSL/IPL TAC, or weekend tourneys?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2013 13:09 GMT
#1910
On April 03 2013 22:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:05 Grumbels wrote:
I'm worried about the value of winning the GSL Code S, since the main thing it does is qualify you for the global seasonal event.


I'm guessing the prize pool for a Code S win will still be pretty big.

But yeah, it will be slightly less valuable to win Code S now, but the benefits to the rest of the scene far outweigh this and I say that as someone who only watches Sc2 when Koreans are playing.


Yeah, its good for everyone. It is just more options for players, Korean and otherwise. More options fore viewers, better ability for teams to put up numbers for sponsors. We give up very little and get a lot more in return.

Plus we get to speculate like mad about who will go where, which is fun unto itself.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 03 2013 13:10 GMT
#1911
On April 03 2013 22:08 Crownlol wrote:
I haven't seen the actual game format yet. Will be be daily matches like GSL/IPL TAC, or weekend tourneys?


Daily matches and the Ro16 onwards will be offline. We're not sure yet whether the Ro16 will be daily in EU/NA because that's a logistical issue if it's LAN but hopefully Blizzard/teams will sort it out so it is.
bongling
Profile Joined March 2013
41 Posts
April 03 2013 13:12 GMT
#1912
ok thanks, makes more sense, so those big events like MLG and IEM are open field, but they'll still add points to the qualifying process? same with dreamhack to a lessor degree i assume? trying to wrap my mind around this, sounds good though.
Turnus
Profile Joined June 2007
United States86 Posts
April 03 2013 13:12 GMT
#1913
On April 03 2013 21:57 Thalandros wrote:
Looks cool, a few flaws here and there but can overlook those. I don't mind seeing Koreans dominate to be honest!


Agreed. I never knew the Starcraft community harbored so much xenophobia. We are a global community and should be happy that the best players in this community get to shine. Either NA or EU steps up its game or Korea will dominate. Has it ever been any different? I'm happy Blizzard is stepping in and attempting to create a unified storyline for the fans out there.

It is my opinion that we quit complaining like the privileged esports pricks we are and just see where this thing goes. I can guarantee it will go nowhere with the xenophobic attitudes on display here.
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
April 03 2013 13:12 GMT
#1914
On April 03 2013 22:09 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On April 03 2013 22:05 Grumbels wrote:
I'm worried about the value of winning the GSL Code S, since the main thing it does is qualify you for the global seasonal event.


I'm guessing the prize pool for a Code S win will still be pretty big.

But yeah, it will be slightly less valuable to win Code S now, but the benefits to the rest of the scene far outweigh this and I say that as someone who only watches Sc2 when Koreans are playing.


Yeah, its good for everyone. It is just more options for players, Korean and otherwise. More options fore viewers, better ability for teams to put up numbers for sponsors. We give up very little and get a lot more in return.

Plus we get to speculate like mad about who will go where, which is fun unto itself.


I'd actually be much more likely to watch foreigner vs foreigner in this environment because it's in a meaningful big tournaments with lots of money/prestige on the line. Before the only way to catch foreigner vs foreigner was in $100 Craft Cup's which doesn't interest me.
schwarzer
Profile Joined October 2012
Argentina25 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 13:15:35
April 03 2013 13:13 GMT
#1915
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
April 03 2013 13:14 GMT
#1916
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
April 03 2013 13:15 GMT
#1917
How would they go about finding the fifth best player in the first season? Lengthy consolation brackets? :/
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
tozi
Profile Joined October 2008
United States506 Posts
April 03 2013 13:16 GMT
#1918
before I comment I what I think about this announcement, I want to clarify.

What are the names of each tournament, everyone is throwing around different names for the same thing

is it GSL Korea - MLG NA - ESL EU
or
WCS europe, korea, NA
or
GSL Korea - GSL NA - GSL EU


and EACH region will have a Code S, and Challenger's Bracket (Code A-B, Up and Down)?
nothing
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
April 03 2013 13:17 GMT
#1919
On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.


you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 13:18:15
April 03 2013 13:17 GMT
#1920
On April 03 2013 22:14 Butterednuts wrote:
So why don't the lower half of the good Koreans just play in the NA bracket so they're ensured to get further in the tournament and make more money. I don't understand why they wouldn't do that.

They have to pay for all their own travel, so it'll cost them lots.
On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.

Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:

1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.

2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.

Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring.


you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best


I'd argue that the Premier League is the most prestigious in Football.
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