WCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 94

On April 03 2013 20:41 ZenithM wrote:
I never said this changed anything. But you can be sure it solves not much either :D
BW 2.0 happened when Kespa switched over and ESF players stopped messing around streaming and stuff to practice their ass off to not be left in the dust and be BW2.0'd themselves.

What is important is practice environment (including coaches, other players, etc..), which is really not easy to give to the foreign world.

On April 03 2013 20:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:

If even some Koreans make the switch, then they will bring players, coaches, etc. with them. And it also has the added benefit of creating a greater likelihood of investment by foreign teams into foreign players who will compete in the foreign tournaments. That leads to better environments, better coaches, and better practice partners. I fail to see how this could in any way not make it better than it is now.

On April 03 2013 20:20 opterown wrote:

code b koreans actually have a decent infrastructure in order to practice their ass off, they have good coaches and teamhouses where they stay for free (i presume) and have all their basic needs provided. that infrastructure isn't there for foreigners.

if we all have the attitude "let the retire" then the scene really will go nowhere. is it too hard to be positive about this announcement and hope that WCS NA and EU allows foreigners to work towards an achievable goal, increasing the number and support of casual viewers? if they can work towards something attainable, they will work harder and improve naturally anyway. it's sort of that psychological effect where if it's too hard, you don't bother trying, but if it's merely difficult, you will work to get there!

happy bday btw

On April 03 2013 20:46 opterown wrote:

if/when koreans make the switch to the other scenes, it's likely they will play out the season online and only come for the live events. i don't think they will bring much of their infrastructure over. but i'm hopeful that foreigners can get themselves together

On April 03 2013 20:46 opterown wrote:

if/when koreans make the switch to the other scenes, it's likely they will play out the season online and only come for the live events. i don't think they will bring much of their infrastructure over. but i'm hopeful that foreigners can get themselves together

On April 03 2013 20:29 Talin wrote:


You cannot force something like that. You cannot artificially raise it if there are no players (or there are very few) willing to do what it takes to play and compete on a higher level than they currently are.

If you provide foreign-only tournaments with strong financial backing, the only effect that is going to have is to lower the standard of play further, as they need to work even less hard to get exposure and place high in such an environment with no Korean players around. This is exactly what will lead to a repeat of a Brood War era where the foreign players won't be able to take a single game off of real progamers.

On April 03 2013 20:49 sc2superfan101 wrote:

I was under the impression that this:

NA/EU will be online until Ro16, after which they will play in a studio environment

Would ensure that they would be pretty much forced to either emigrate or not play in it. If it is a GSL style system, than they would either have to stick around for a couple of weeks to play past the Ro16 or fly back and forth every other day.

Could be that I'm missing something though, as it seems that Blizzard has been kind of light on the details as of yet.

On April 03 2013 20:46 m0ck wrote:

Thanks for some good posts on the subject, you should consider doing a blog-post or something similar. You have a voice to reach the multitudes ^^

The "let them rot"-attitude is surprisingly prevalent, forgetting that foreign interest carried the Korean scene for WoL for a long time. It's not a natural order that SC2, or even single-player strategy-games in general, will stay alive. The single player competitive fps-scene on PC is more or less dead. It used to have the position SC2 has now.

On April 03 2013 20:50 Brett wrote:

Exactly how I feel. You cannot force the growth of these scenes by throwing money at them in the hopes of raising general standards. It has to happen organically.

On April 03 2013 20:53 Talin wrote:
Nobody is saying that we should let the foreigners rot, because they're hardly rotting as it is.

But you need to keep in mind that for their objective quality, many are already being paid a TON more than their Korean equivalents. Now what some people advocate is establishing an environment where that proportion is going to be even more lopsided than it already is.

Teams and players didn't feel it was necessary to set up proper training structure and objectives so far. Putting them in an even more comfortable environment is the last thing that will convince them to do that. It really comes down to basic economic principles, and what is being suggested only sets the standards lower (thus the performance will eventually be lower as well).

On April 03 2013 20:58 Sent. wrote:
What about South America and Australia?

On April 03 2013 21:02 Zenbrez wrote:

They need to play with ping and travel.

On April 03 2013 20:37 opterown wrote:

i highly doubt that any S-class koreans will leave korea. there's too much pride at stake, and they lock themselves out of a whole year of domestic competition

On April 03 2013 21:03 MstrJinbo wrote:


South America, SEA and Taiwan are some notable losers in this announcement. At least for this year. Regions may be expanded in the future. Players like Sen and Moonglade will likely compete in the NA or EU qualifiers if at all.