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On April 03 2013 22:47 opterown wrote:
i highly doubt the independants will receive less attention, they will be the biggest ground for korean vs. foreigner interaction this year
I agree. As far as i understand this, if for example Grubby and ForGG play in the European WCS thing they won't meet up vs the Korean WCS players until the very end. However things like HomestoryCup, Dreamhack etc can still make it possible for them to face each other earlier.
edit: Ah just read there are multiple Season Finals.... so they could meet earlier if they're good enough.
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Where do NASL and DH come in to this?
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Korean players will have an option to switch their region at the end of the first season.
So this is just in case that some of player that is now in GSL would like to go to WCS America? I still have a feeling that they will separate GSL and WCS Korea after season 1.
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On April 03 2013 22:58 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:55 DiMano wrote:
GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all. They're different tournaments, they both just feed into the same tournament. See for example a school system. You have 2 primary schools (6-11) which then feed into the same senior school (11-17) which doesn't mean they're the same schools they come from, just that they end up in the same place.
Well my question is will all players start from Code B to qualify for OSL or not?
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$ 1.6 that's a lot of money! o.O
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Why are u all complaining, i rather watch good games, with only Koreans , than bad games,
i juts hope 100$ for GSL, will not be bad investment 
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On April 03 2013 22:46 unbaal wrote:
This seems pretty awsome overall. Little too lazy to read 98 pages, but anyone know why Dreamhack drew the short stick'?
Because Blizzard wanted one organiser, and ESL have a professional studio. The only changes there are to the foreigner scene is that there will no longer be National WCS events, just online qualifiers to an offline event, but there will be three (Spring, Summer and Autumn) every year, for Europe and the Americas.
DreamHack will still happen as before, MLG Pro Circuit will still happen as before, IEM will still happen as before.
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It would be perfect if the GSL subscription carried over for the OGN OSL season.
GOM is casting it right? So it should be true.
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On April 03 2013 23:04 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:46 unbaal wrote:
This seems pretty awsome overall. Little too lazy to read 98 pages, but anyone know why Dreamhack drew the short stick'? Because Blizzard wanted one organiser, and ESL have a professional studio. The only changes there are to the foreigner scene is that there will no longer be National WCS events, just online qualifiers to an offline event, but there will be three (Spring, Summer and Autumn) every year, for Europe and the Americas. DreamHack will still happen as before, MLG Pro Circuit will still happen as before, IEM will still happen as before.
But no GSL and OSL just 3 WCS under these names?
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On April 03 2013 23:06 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 23:04 mikkmagro wrote:On April 03 2013 22:46 unbaal wrote:
This seems pretty awsome overall. Little too lazy to read 98 pages, but anyone know why Dreamhack drew the short stick'? Because Blizzard wanted one organiser, and ESL have a professional studio. The only changes there are to the foreigner scene is that there will no longer be National WCS events, just online qualifiers to an offline event, but there will be three (Spring, Summer and Autumn) every year, for Europe and the Americas. DreamHack will still happen as before, MLG Pro Circuit will still happen as before, IEM will still happen as before. But no GSL and OSL just 3 WCS under these names?
No details yet, we will find out soonTM i guess
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On April 03 2013 23:01 DiMano wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:58 Qikz wrote:On April 03 2013 22:55 DiMano wrote:
GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all. They're different tournaments, they both just feed into the same tournament. See for example a school system. You have 2 primary schools (6-11) which then feed into the same senior school (11-17) which doesn't mean they're the same schools they come from, just that they end up in the same place. Well my question is will all players start from Code B to qualify for OSL or not?
It was mentioned (on Twitter I believe) that OnGameNet will hold a special qualifier to fill up the Ro32. Fill up because I still think that GSL and OSL will be interconnected because they're both basically the same tournament called WCS Korea.
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On April 03 2013 22:17 GizmoPT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:13 schwarzer wrote:
I don't like the announcement.
Top tournaments must consist in the best players fighting each other. I understand their need to boost the non-korean scene, but making artificial barriers to do so seems very dangerous to me.
I'm not a korean elitist, but right now, it's undeniable that koreans are clearly above the foreigners skill level. Unless Blizzard take that in account and give the Korea seasonal proper WCS points, the scene could be seriously damaged. I'm seeing two possible outcomes:
1. WCS America and WCS Europe flooded and dominated by koreans, something that will defeat the entire purpose of the new format, harming both foreigner and korean scene.
2. Almost every player playing for their region, which will harm the korean scene. Maybe not for players like Flash or Life, but code A/B players could have it really hard with that changes, because those players will have to play insanely good to keep up with foreign players with similar or less skill.
Anyways, I'll wait Blizzard to reveal more details, but I don't like at all how forced it sounds, and the consequences it could bring. you should agree Champions League is the best football tournament right ? and with the most prestige right ? but does it have only the best of the best ? no it has the best of each country.. thats what makes it interesting.. in the end of it you will still have the top teams in europe competing.. but you give chance for them all to beat the best
Yes, UCL is the most prestigious tournament. And although it doesn't have the best of the best all seasons, it's not so far, mainly because country seedings are based on how successful their teams are. Becoming champion in Premier is far away than becoming champion in the league of San Marino. That's why the best 3 teams in Premier goes directly to the Group stage, and the fourth to the 4th Qualification round; while the champion of San Marino goes only to the 1st Qualification round. It's not a perfect system, but it's a very fair one considering how many countries are in UEFA.
For more info see UEFA Coefficient
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I'll really miss the WCS nationals as they really gave off a grassroots vibe, I'll miss Code S being as frequent as it was before and I'm sad that Code B and even Code A Koreans might have a much harder time now and we might see more retirements out of them.
But overall I think it's a good change that could help elevate all the different scenes to a new level. I'll refrain from further comments until we have more details on how exactly all the newly introduced leagues and events are going to work.
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On April 03 2013 22:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription Dreamhack player pools are usually poor though.
Define poor.... and with Dreamhack being basically the only open big 'LAN' event left where are teams going to send their players to otherwise? look at the player pool for Stockholm this year and last year....
DH does only benefit from this WCS if you can also score points at Dreamhack.
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On April 03 2013 23:14 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 22:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription Dreamhack player pools are usually poor though. Define poor.... and with Dreamhack being basically the only open big 'LAN' event left where are teams going to send their players to otherwise? look at the player pool for Stockholm this year and last year.... DH does only benefit from this WCS if you can also score points at Dreamhack.
MLG and IEM etc still exist as weekend tournaments
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I've never quite understood the phobia people have of Korean dominance.
Because you cant relate to the person? Get to know them! Read their interviews, check out their liquidpedias, and go watch the bloody GSL, I guarantee you that this will the best well spent money you have ever spent!
Or is it because of the Koreans have no personality stereotype? 5 mins of searching through google or TL will prove yourself wrong. It's not hard to find a funny GIF of a Korean doing silly celebrations which no foreigners have never dared do in the public eye.
Or is it mindless patriotism for their country folks? C'mon this is a computer game, are you really liking a certain player because he merely from the same country as you? Who cares about that, don't let patriotism / racism cloud your judgement of what truly entertaining and skilllful sc2 games are.
Koreans already dominate the scene as it is, in the worse case scenario, nothing will change and the dominance will continue. But maybe, just MAYBE, this could help give that motivational push to drive the foreign players to work harder. At the very least, rather than giving in to your reflex action to automatically dismiss all drastic changes in defence, just let it play out for a bit before passing judgement.
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On April 03 2013 23:07 Proseat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 23:01 DiMano wrote:On April 03 2013 22:58 Qikz wrote:On April 03 2013 22:55 DiMano wrote:
GSL and OSL is the same tournament with same players and top 8 Code S GSL players will be seeded in OSL? If yes it is stupid as then there is no difference at all. They're different tournaments, they both just feed into the same tournament. See for example a school system. You have 2 primary schools (6-11) which then feed into the same senior school (11-17) which doesn't mean they're the same schools they come from, just that they end up in the same place. Well my question is will all players start from Code B to qualify for OSL or not? It was mentioned (on Twitter I believe) that OnGameNet will hold a special qualifier to fill up the Ro32. Fill up because I still think that GSL and OSL will be interconnected because they're both basically the same tournament called WCS Korea.
No, OSL is just another GSL season with a different name, produced by OGN basically. There is no separate qualifier. There's only 1 Code A and Code S for both tournaments.
Whichever players finish top 8 in this season of GSL will be in OSL's Code S or Premier League with the new name Blizzard gave it. The rest will come from this season's Code A, just like it does from one season of GSL to the next. The same thing will happen from OSL to the next season of GSL.
Basically, OSL = what GSL Season 3 would have been, produced by OGN, GSL Season 3 = what GSL Season 4 would have been.
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By the way, on GomTV's website the GSL starting tomorrow is already called "2013 WCS Korea Season 1 GSL" (was previously called "2013 Season 2 GSL"):
http://www.gomtv.net/2013wcs1/
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So does this mean that NA and EU WCS will be the same format as GSL (or WCS KR if you like)? how does code A format fit into this?
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On April 03 2013 23:15 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 23:14 TheSir wrote:On April 03 2013 22:53 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On April 03 2013 22:46 DOUDOU wrote:On April 03 2013 22:42 chipmonklord17 wrote:On April 03 2013 22:38 Bagi wrote:On April 03 2013 22:36 DOUDOU wrote:
someone tell me
WHERE THE HELL is dreamhack in all of this? Independent tournament where players from all regions can partake and most likely also get some WCS points in the process. I think people are downplaying the importance of events that got "left out", they will still be as good as ever and best of all there will be no artificial restrictions to their player pools. What I'm most curious about is does all this working together stuff mean that dreamhack's (I guess NASL's too) player pool actually increases and that they can get kespa guys to play in their events too i am worried independent tournaments will receive much less attention, same way it does for lol i believe if gom and ogn can alternate hosting of the events, why can't IEM and DH do? afaik, DH production is world class, and certainly much better than ogn also, what happens to my ogn subscription Dreamhack player pools are usually poor though. Define poor.... and with Dreamhack being basically the only open big 'LAN' event left where are teams going to send their players to otherwise? look at the player pool for Stockholm this year and last year.... DH does only benefit from this WCS if you can also score points at Dreamhack. MLG and IEM etc still exist as weekend tournaments
I know but MLG has no open spots so you dont need a travel budget for that as a team anymore. IEM doesn't start until August? and most spots are paid as well with a small open bracket. There aren't a lot of tournaments left you need travel money for... IPL gone, ASUS ROG gone? etc etc
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