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On April 03 2013 14:10 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:08 Brett wrote:On April 03 2013 13:57 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 03 2013 13:47 Brett wrote:On April 03 2013 13:35 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 03 2013 13:30 Brett wrote:
Really struggling to resist the urge to gripe about this announcement...
I will wait until I see more information, but I will definitely say that anything which dilutes the prestige of Code S participation is a stupid move. how? they aren't changing Code S at all? Perhaps I'm misreading or misunderstanding it, but aren't CodeS/OSL/MLG/ESL essentially becoming the feeder events for WCS with points available at all legs, equal prizemoney and choice of region? Hence it's almost guaranteed that a number of quality Korean players will opt not to participate in a stacked GSL/OSL, but instead chase money and WCS points in a weaker field in Europe/America, i.e. diluting the strength of Code S. I don't mind watching MLG/Dreamhack level events occasionally, but I'd rather watch the best of the best. Code S is now WCS. This Code S that is starting tomorrow is now WCS. There is no choosing WCS over Code S as it is now the same thing. Call it whatever you like, it's still a promoted, diluted competition which is what I'm against. They have the choice of which region's WCS they will play in. If you don't think Korean teams/organisations will sit around and assign players, or squads, or even entire teams to specific events, then I think you're being very unrealistic. I'm sure you can see how such a practice will affect the quality of each event. If they could switch regions whenever they wanted, i could see your point. But they can't. They pick it at the start of the year. All Code S/A players are already locked into WCS KR as well. The best of the best will still be there.
Players must pick what region they wish to play in, and are not restricted by nationality. It is possible for Korean players to choose to play in the NA/EU online leagues if they qualify. Once picked they are locked into the region they chose. Korean players will have an option to switch their region at the end of the first season. All regions will run in parallel with a live final at the end of each season that combines finalists from all regions.
Bolded part is what leads me to believe that the Korean teams/groups (kespa, esf teams perhaps) will sit around and arrange where they will allocate their players to give themselves the best possible prospects of representation at WCS finals.
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WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this.
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On April 03 2013 14:11 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:08 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 03 2013 14:05 FakeDeath wrote:On April 03 2013 13:49 holy_war wrote:Sundance DiGiovanni @MLGSundance 50s
Had a few Korean player / team reps approach me today asking about NA WCS. Might see a few big names relocate at some point. Hahaha. It's happening already. Everybody can already forecast the situation. NA WCS will be heavily dominated by the Code A/B Koreans. It is basically free ticket for Koreans. KR WCS will be so stacked with Kespa/ESF players. Sundance saying there is some " big names " means there could be a few Code S Koreans. If you are in Code A or Code S, you can't play in the WCS NA Wait? Serious? How does it work?
Code A and Code S are now WCS KR. Can't play in WCS KR and WCS NA
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On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this.
ITS THE SAME FUCKING COMPETITION
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I was about to cry from the epicness but the move to allow Koreans to play in NA league is the bullshittiestthingthateverploppedapoop, OMGod Forbid we can actually make money in OUR OWN LEAGUE sorry nope low-tier Koreans gonna be relocating that ass and get the free cash money. LOLZ but we can do it too them! Yeah right.
Axiom probably easy gets MMA into our league and he hangs out at TotalBiscuits house and just gets all dat cash EZPZ.
Korean fetishization is so stupid, we have to give them our leagues just so they will love us or something. Really really wrong decision, scene is already anemic and nobody has hope and you crushed all of our players hopes and dreams Blizzard.
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Summary:
GSL is demoted, OSL is revived, SPL and GSTL won't change. White people wins the symbolic battle, but Koreans will win more money from west. China is forgotten.
And the big winner award goes to
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On April 03 2013 14:01 Mauldo wrote:
The biggest problem I have is that, once again, regions are not nationality locked. Why even call it NA/Korea/Europe region if anyone can play anywhere? Call them Region 1,2,3. Might as well. The 5 from each region thing, while obviously there to promote diversity in the people playing in the championships, is going to be laughably Korean stacked. All of the Korean teams will just take their B-teamers and throw them over to America/Europe. Or, better yet, put their A-teamers in America/Europe and let their B-teamers fight it out in Korea.
I'm sorry, but I'm getting really fucking tired of this bullshit. Everyone in ESPORTS talks about how there needs to be a support system for American players, that there has to be a reason for them to play and practice as much as Koreans/Europeans, which we were supposed to get with MLG, then NASL, then IPL. Now we were supposed to get it with Blizzard WCS, and BOOM. Managed to fuck over the Americans once again.
I seriously, just really, seriously don't understand. Pro-gamers and tournament/team owners always ask "Huh, why are foreigners so shitty?" and then answer their own question with "Oh, well, for places like the USA, they don't have a tournament like GSL that regularly holds tournaments for them. MLG used to do that, but sold out about as quickly as NASL and IPL did, despite all of their promises. Maybe we should make a tourney for them? Tons of Americans would watch it for sure, so it's not like viewership isn't there." Then rumors get spread and those very same talking heads get us all excited, but no. Everyone gets fucked again.
3 years from now, when the American SC2 scene is dead and gone, and people ask why, don't even act like you don't know. It's because going on 4 tournaments have now shafted us, and there are just going to be more in the future. It's like they hear what everyone is screaming for, agree with it, then just...don't do it?
get a grip, don't be such a drama queen.. even if the NA WCS is filled with canadians, americans, and mexicans, people would still rather watch GSL and OSL.
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On April 03 2013 14:20 DeathProfessor wrote:
I was about to cry from the epicness but the move to allow Koreans to play in NA league is the bullshittiestthingthateverploppedapoop, OMGod Forbid we can actually make money in OUR OWN LEAGUE sorry nope low-tier Koreans gonna be relocating that ass and get the free cash money. LOLZ but we can do it too them! Yeah right.
Axiom probably easy gets MMA into our league and he hangs out at TotalBiscuits house and just gets all dat cash EZPZ.
Korean fetishization is so stupid, we have to give them our leagues just so they will love us or something. Really really wrong decision, scene is already anemic and nobody has hope and you crushed all of our players hopes and dreams Blizzard.
MMA is on Acer. And Axiom has chosen to play in the KR region.
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Sounds epic overall. I'm going to wait and see how all the region juggling (players and prizes) works before I make any judgments...
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On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this.
brain injury? Code S is now WCS KR..
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On April 03 2013 14:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this. ITS THE SAME FUCKING COMPETITION
No, Code S is basically a qualifier for the big end-of-season WCS event, and Code S will be much tougher. So yes Code S is WCS Korea, but the point is WCS Korea is much harder than WCS 'Worlds'.
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On April 03 2013 14:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this. ITS THE SAME FUCKING COMPETITION
Calm down, man...
With respect, it's not the same competition, specifically in regards to depth of the playing field, if half the current Code B, A (and possibly some of the Code S) roster are playing overseas after the first season. Blizzard themselves said they're free to do so, and they'd be nuts not to.
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With global system, NA players can practice against KR players... So hopefully, players will keep up with koreans.
Good annoucement so far, will see how it turns..
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Had to take a walk to process the information... makes a lot of sense now. I like it, hopefully the prize pool will grow each year.
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On April 03 2013 14:19 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this. ITS THE SAME FUCKING COMPETITION
Except without the 27 other best players at the finals, and a lot of the lesser but really good players being splintered from the competition of GSL to other regions, making GSL less exciting for little pay off.
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On April 03 2013 13:44 MadJack wrote:
This is BS:
"Q: Korean players might have trouble earning WCS points in OSL/GSL. They might compete in EU/NA and sweep those regions. What do you think?
Mike Morhaime: We expect this will happen to some degree, and it will have a positive impact on the rest of the world. Having some amount of Koreans competing in NA and EU will raise the excitement factor and competitive bar without having a negative impact."
Its just gonna be koreans all around, Like what low / mid tier korean pro player in their right minds (and the budget) will compete against other koreans when they have an easier path by miles in US/EU qualifiers: NONE. It will raise the bar sure, but probably a little to high and maybe there wont be any representatives of America that are actually from America and same for Europe. This just looks like a nice way to make an all korean blizzcon finals, which level wise would be amazing, but very sad to see few to none non-koreans in it.
If you think carefully about which Koreans would attend the NA/EU region tournaments, you would see that they are all not a high level Korean players. Top NA/EU players would still be able to compete with them but they will need to improve their skill too.
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On April 03 2013 14:20 DeathProfessor wrote:
I was about to cry from the epicness but the move to allow Koreans to play in NA league is the bullshittiestthingthateverploppedapoop, OMGod Forbid we can actually make money in OUR OWN LEAGUE sorry nope low-tier Koreans gonna be relocating that ass and get the free cash money. LOLZ but we can do it too them! Yeah right.
Axiom probably easy gets MMA into our league and he hangs out at TotalBiscuits house and just gets all dat cash EZPZ.
Korean fetishization is so stupid, we have to give them our leagues just so they will love us or something. Really really wrong decision, scene is already anemic and nobody has hope and you crushed all of our players hopes and dreams Blizzard.
LOL are you seriously? Koreans were already coming over and already taking all the money.
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so is gsl over?
wtf i'm so confused
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On April 03 2013 14:23 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2013 14:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On April 03 2013 14:18 Clefairy wrote:
WCS is an inferior tournament with shittier competition than Code S. Don't really like this. ITS THE SAME FUCKING COMPETITION Calm down, man... With respect, it's not the same competition, specifically in regards to depth of the playing field, if half the current Code B, A, and (possibly some of the Code S) roster are playing overseas after the first season. Blizzard themselves said they're free to do so, and they'd be nuts not to.
so thats why Axiom decided to play in the KR region right? Even though several of their players are in Code B currently?
Koreans playing in the NA region will have to play with lag, play at bad times, not be in GSL or OSL (which means not on TV, which means upset sponsors), and have to pay their way to the offline portion. Its not that simple.
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Seems like a lot of people don't understand how a Kespa B-team works.
Hint: their main objective is to keep the A-teamers in good practice. How does relocating to NA/EU help their A team in korea where it counts?
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