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WCS 2013 Announced - April 3rd - Page 75

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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 03 2013 05:05 GMT
#1481
Wait....this is too epic, I don't quite get 100% what is happening...

Basically Blizzard is creating a partnership with Kespa, ESL, MLG, GOMTV, OGN, etc. to hold world championship in 2013, am I correct? Sorry, this is so epic I don't quite understand what is going on ><

If so......then surely this is the EPICEST event in the history of esports??
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 05:06:14
April 03 2013 05:05 GMT
#1482
The only thing that matters to me now: who is casting Starleague?
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
April 03 2013 05:06 GMT
#1483
Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.


lol ...
starleague forever
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
April 03 2013 05:07 GMT
#1484
On April 03 2013 14:05 rift wrote:
The only thing that matters to me now: who is casting Starleague?


The OSL? I think it will be your choice - Artosis is available but Tasteless will not be, and of course Doa is available as is Montecristo.

We'll have to wait until after GSL to find out for sure.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
April 03 2013 05:08 GMT
#1485
On April 03 2013 13:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:47 Brett wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:30 Brett wrote:
Really struggling to resist the urge to gripe about this announcement...

I will wait until I see more information, but I will definitely say that anything which dilutes the prestige of Code S participation is a stupid move.

how? they aren't changing Code S at all?

Perhaps I'm misreading or misunderstanding it, but aren't CodeS/OSL/MLG/ESL essentially becoming the feeder events for WCS with points available at all legs, equal prizemoney and choice of region?

Hence it's almost guaranteed that a number of quality Korean players will opt not to participate in a stacked GSL/OSL, but instead chase money and WCS points in a weaker field in Europe/America, i.e. diluting the strength of Code S.

I don't mind watching MLG/Dreamhack level events occasionally, but I'd rather watch the best of the best.

Code S is now WCS. This Code S that is starting tomorrow is now WCS. There is no choosing WCS over Code S as it is now the same thing.

Call it whatever you like, it's still a promoted, diluted competition which is what I'm against. They have the choice of which region's WCS they will play in. If you don't think Korean teams/organisations will sit around and assign players, or squads, or even entire teams to specific events, then I think you're being very unrealistic. I'm sure you can see how such a practice will affect the quality of each event.
vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
April 03 2013 05:08 GMT
#1486
Am I misunderstanding or does this mean Gom will now only hold 2 GSLs per year? What would that mean for Tasteless & Artosis?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 03 2013 05:08 GMT
#1487
On April 03 2013 14:05 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:49 holy_war wrote:
Sundance DiGiovanni ‏@MLGSundance 50s

Had a few Korean player / team reps approach me today asking about NA WCS. Might see a few big names relocate at some point.


Hahaha. It's happening already.


Everybody can already forecast the situation.
NA WCS will be heavily dominated by the Code A/B Koreans.
It is basically free ticket for Koreans.
KR WCS will be so stacked with Kespa/ESF players.


Sundance saying there is some " big names " means there could be a few Code S Koreans.


If you are in Code A or Code S, you can't play in the WCS NA
www.superbeerbrothers.com
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
April 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#1488
On April 03 2013 14:07 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:05 rift wrote:
The only thing that matters to me now: who is casting Starleague?


The OSL? I think it will be your choice - Artosis is available but Tasteless will not be, and of course Doa is available as is Montecristo.

We'll have to wait until after GSL to find out for sure.

Why is Artosis available?
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8231 Posts
April 03 2013 05:09 GMT
#1489
On April 03 2013 14:09 rift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:07 felisconcolori wrote:
On April 03 2013 14:05 rift wrote:
The only thing that matters to me now: who is casting Starleague?


The OSL? I think it will be your choice - Artosis is available but Tasteless will not be, and of course Doa is available as is Montecristo.

We'll have to wait until after GSL to find out for sure.

Why is Artosis available?

And why isn't Tasteless available?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 03 2013 05:10 GMT
#1490
On April 03 2013 14:08 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:47 Brett wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:35 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:30 Brett wrote:
Really struggling to resist the urge to gripe about this announcement...

I will wait until I see more information, but I will definitely say that anything which dilutes the prestige of Code S participation is a stupid move.

how? they aren't changing Code S at all?

Perhaps I'm misreading or misunderstanding it, but aren't CodeS/OSL/MLG/ESL essentially becoming the feeder events for WCS with points available at all legs, equal prizemoney and choice of region?

Hence it's almost guaranteed that a number of quality Korean players will opt not to participate in a stacked GSL/OSL, but instead chase money and WCS points in a weaker field in Europe/America, i.e. diluting the strength of Code S.

I don't mind watching MLG/Dreamhack level events occasionally, but I'd rather watch the best of the best.

Code S is now WCS. This Code S that is starting tomorrow is now WCS. There is no choosing WCS over Code S as it is now the same thing.

Call it whatever you like, it's still a promoted, diluted competition which is what I'm against. They have the choice of which region's WCS they will play in. If you don't think Korean teams/organisations will sit around and assign players, or squads, or even entire teams to specific events, then I think you're being very unrealistic. I'm sure you can see how such a practice will affect the quality of each event.

If they could switch regions whenever they wanted, i could see your point. But they can't. They pick it at the start of the year. All Code S/A players are already locked into WCS KR as well. The best of the best will still be there.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
April 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#1491
On April 03 2013 14:08 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 14:05 FakeDeath wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:49 holy_war wrote:
Sundance DiGiovanni ‏@MLGSundance 50s

Had a few Korean player / team reps approach me today asking about NA WCS. Might see a few big names relocate at some point.


Hahaha. It's happening already.


Everybody can already forecast the situation.
NA WCS will be heavily dominated by the Code A/B Koreans.
It is basically free ticket for Koreans.
KR WCS will be so stacked with Kespa/ESF players.


Sundance saying there is some " big names " means there could be a few Code S Koreans.


If you are in Code A or Code S, you can't play in the WCS NA


Wait?
Serious?
How does it work?
Play your best
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
April 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#1492
Simple solution: Blizzard bars all Koreans currently in Code A or Code S from dropping out of GSL to change regions. Code B Koreans are free to do as they please, but the best of the best should still play in GSL/OSL/WCS Korea.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
April 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#1493
So wait can you be in Korea and play WCS NA? cause that would be an issue.If you have to be there in order to play then it's fine.Not a lot of Koreans can get to NA,live in a house and play for a whole year.
All I do is Stim.
stfouri
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland272 Posts
April 03 2013 05:11 GMT
#1494
Awesome news.
To get so many different organizations to come together is a impressive feat.
And its not like they failed with the prize money either. Makes much more sense to spread it out in between seasons, that way NASL/Dreamhack and other smaller tournaments won't get totally shafted cause people will still care what they have to offer when it comes to money.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
April 03 2013 05:12 GMT
#1495
Doa and Montecristo are confirmed casters for OSL
Jaedong <3
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
April 03 2013 05:12 GMT
#1496


Sundance: Had a few Korean player / team reps approach me today asking about NA WCS. Might see a few big names relocate at some point.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
April 03 2013 05:12 GMT
#1497
On April 03 2013 14:08 vandelayindustries wrote:
Am I misunderstanding or does this mean Gom will now only hold 2 GSLs per year? What would that mean for Tasteless & Artosis?


gsl and ogn will both cast all three.


Q: How will the the Korean broadcasts work for OGN/GomTV?

A: The two broadcasters will take turns holding the WCS Korea tourneys. OGN will receive feed from GomTV, but use their own casters. In reverse, GomTV will receive OGN's feeds and use their own casters when OGN runs the studio. Doa and montecristo to do casting for OGN, Tastosis for GSL.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 05:17:21
April 03 2013 05:13 GMT
#1498
You go from like 64 people qualifying for national WCS finals, to having no reason to not expect to be essentially competing in the Korean nationals. Even if you do well one year, you have no idea how many more Koreans will be in your region the next year. With such a lack of predictability/certainty, I'd have to figure there's way less of a reason to play now.

All of this talk is simply making me more curious about WCG. Is WCG having a tournament this year? It would be a novel idea to see a South American region where the players have actually been there before and some might even live there. I want to play online poker but it's banned in the USA region. Can someone tell the government I choose the "other region." Thanks. That's sweet how the world works like that. O wait, it doesn't, like ever...
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
April 03 2013 05:14 GMT
#1499
Incontrol on Live on 3 already said there's been talk in the house of someone like Jaedong playing in NA. No idea if this was a serious discussion or just throwing out various ideas that could happen.
STX Fighting!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 03 2013 05:15 GMT
#1500
On April 03 2013 14:06 a176 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Other tournaments will be free to carry on with their own competitions, so long as their broadcasts do not overlap with WCS events.


lol ...
Wait, Blizzard's gonna pull the plug of any big non-WCS tournament that dares to broadcast during WCS events? wtf

Way to destroy any notion of competition and ensure your event's total domination. Not that it wasn't going to dominate the scene anyway, but they just want to be certain that no community or independent project comes out and overshadows them.
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