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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: In OP: There was also confirmation of this by Slasher on Live on Three. That's a very indirect way of putting it, and it's not an exact confirmation. Although I hope you're right. I was looking forward to attending MLG anaheim so much. Without koreans, I wouldn't go. | ||
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MadJack
Peru357 Posts
"Q: Korean players might have trouble earning WCS points in OSL/GSL. They might compete in EU/NA and sweep those regions. What do you think? Mike Morhaime: We expect this will happen to some degree, and it will have a positive impact on the rest of the world. Having some amount of Koreans competing in NA and EU will raise the excitement factor and competitive bar without having a negative impact." Its just gonna be koreans all around, Like what low / mid tier korean pro player in their right minds (and the budget) will compete against other koreans when they have an easier path by miles in US/EU qualifiers: NONE. It will raise the bar sure, but probably a little to high and maybe there wont be any representatives of America that are actually from America and same for Europe. This just looks like a nice way to make an all korean blizzcon finals, which level wise would be amazing, but very sad to see few to none non-koreans in it. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:23 Dodgin wrote: By 2nd-rate event I don't mean people will ignore it - it will still be big and have good money, but since it won't be part of WCS and only provide fewer points for it, everybody will put it on a second tier below the WCS-events. I'm surprised this has to be even argued about. Similar with Iron Squid, by the way.I think you're totally wrong, dreamhack has built up a reputation and you can't get people to turn away from it just by announcing something else that has a lot of money. It's not like League where there was nothing built up without the developer before LCS. Dreamhack is still going to get an insane number of viewers for their live event. It's a brand that people won't ignore, just like MLG and GSL. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:42 Charlie.Sheen wrote: So EU and NA will do the WCS thing online with only couple Koreans, who would want to watch that? And they get the same amount of seeds as OSL/GSL to the WCS finals. ....... NA might struggle with viewers but i wouldn't worry too much about Europe. Plenty of EU only events still do well even without bigtime Koreans . | ||
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d00p
711 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:36 Qwyn wrote: Well, man o' man. What can I say? I love this community so much, but this game... I can't help but feel this is a bit too complicated. The forces at large are directing their attention in the wrong places...They should focus on influencing the game state (better maps, better design), more than trying to create a unified system...at this time, I don't think this is what the game needs. But then, that's always how I've felt. I couldn't disagree more. This was exactly what we needed. Like exactly. And the game itself is in a pretty good place atm. I'm a little worried how my GSL subscription will carry over the summer season vods-vice but surely they will have vods if they have a feed. Don't really care if the 720 stream is now free all of a sudden because I wouldn't be able to watch anyway but won't this hurt their sales? | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:35 jmbthirteen wrote: how? they aren't changing Code S at all? Perhaps I'm misreading or misunderstanding it, but aren't CodeS/OSL/MLG/ESL essentially becoming the feeder events for WCS with points available at all legs, equal prizemoney and choice of region? Hence it's almost guaranteed that a number of quality Korean players will opt not to participate in a stacked GSL/OSL, but instead chase money and WCS points in a weaker field in Europe/America, i.e. diluting the strength of Code S. I don't mind watching MLG/Dreamhack level events occasionally, but I'd rather watch the best of the best. | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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lightrise
United States1355 Posts
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tili
United States1332 Posts
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ECA.BruTATroN
United States282 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:44 figq wrote: By 2nd-rate event I don't mean people will ignore it - it will still be big and have good money, but since it won't be part of WCS and only provide fewer points for it, everybody will put it on a second tier below the WCS-events. I'm surprised this has to be even argued about. Similar with Iron Squid, by the way. Iron Squid is not anywhere close to Dreamhack in terms of their brand, it's not a good comparison. People watch for more than the amount of money in the prize pool and I'm not going to regard Dreamhack as a second rate competition just because WCS exists. BWC had the highest prize pool last year and it was one of the least watched events. Keep in mind most of WCS will be played online, people will be hungry to watch LAN events. | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
Sundance DiGiovanni @MLGSundance 50s Had a few Korean player / team reps approach me today asking about NA WCS. Might see a few big names relocate at some point. Hahaha. It's happening already. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:43 Polygamy wrote: Am I missing something.... Korean players can just qualify in the US and Europe if they want??? This seems to be um.... I don't know how NA will fare with Koreans but i'm confident mediocre Koreans playing with latency from Korea on EU will not be a big problem . Hell none of the Koreans that actually moved to Europe could consistently dominate the Europeans . ( not even ForGG so far ) . Top Koreans ofc is a different story but i doubt those will stop competing in the GSL. NA on the other hand struggled in the past with Code-B Koreans invading the NA scene and dominate so that could become a problem. Especially since the NA scene doesn't seem to be that strong overall anyway. | ||
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BobbyAwesome
Canada21 Posts
On April 03 2013 12:50 Lawliet wrote: People need to digest the information before raging for no reason. I thought we were better than this TL community. D: This is feffing awesome news! GSL and OSL are still just as prestigious and important if not even more so now. Not only do you get the title of being a GSL/OSL champion and prize money. You also get points to seed you into one last huge tourney at the end of the year! Depending on how they distribute points this point system might almost completely eliminate "pointless games" where an outcome of the match is moot for one of the players. This also gives players with bad bracket luck or nerves a huge opportunity! Finally, picking region thing makes complete sense. Should players like Polt or Violet have to play on the KR server with all the lag in unreasonable times? What about European players who are in American teams? Or American players living in Korea? Most players outside of special circumstances won't play outside their region. Look at those IPL qualifiers. Even code S class players go full retard at 4 in the morning after playing for 3 hours. And the shit ping from crud NA Internet won't help either. Honestly the only thing that really seems dumb is GSL and OSL being "dual casted" why would anyone want to watch moletrap over tastetossis? Yes to this! A voice of reason!! Also, I am unsure why so many people have an issue with giving foreigners an equal chance to gain points as the Koreans. That seems rather shortsighted to me. The Korean skill level is certainly higher, but how else will the foreign scene be encouraged to grow and step up in the long term if it were not given the same opportunities and incentives to reach said level? The foreign scene is behind, but by creating a stable tournament infrastructure, Blizzard has made the first step in fostering growth where it is most needed. The strongest players will still win what they deserve when they deserve it. In fact, this format allows Koreans to continue to dominate the foreign scene, should they choose to do so. This is the right balance. Foreigners wont be completely stomped out of making a decent tourney run in the WCS (which is good for foreign fans), but their worth will still be tested in the higher brackets. All that being said, MLG will still have their normal Championship events on top of their WCS ones. Allowing a further Korean dominance as the trend has been showing. But at least sifting out some of the Korean beasts in the NA and EU WCS to allow foreigner growth. Snuffing out the foreign players would never be a good thing. Blizz is planting seeds. I like this direction. Better then I expected. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
It's not gonna be any of the current GSL Code S players though so it should be fine. But yeah we'll see what happens when season 2 WCS starts. | ||
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408xParadox
United States140 Posts
They basically withheld licenses from all of them and said our way or no way. And when its your business to broadcast starcraft you kind of have to go with it. | ||
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Killerkrack
664 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:43 Polygamy wrote: Am I missing something.... Korean players can just qualify in the US and Europe if they want??? This seems to be um.... It seems to be horrible. Chances are both NA and EU will get a large amount of Koreans attempting to qualify from them. I wouldn't be surprised if the finals ended up all Korean from the KR, US, and EU regions. I get that it ensures the best players in the finals period, but you might as well just remove the NA and EU qualifiers period considering it'll be all Korean anyway. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote: I'm not comparing Iron Squid and Dreamhack; just adding Iron Squid to the list, because it was considered a premier event until now. Also, who said money has anything to do with it. Being the WCS champion will matter the most, it's the new GSL yearly champion. What you do in the WCS events in a year will be your highest profile mark in SC2, anything else will come in second. And that includes Dreamhack.Iron Squid is not anywhere close to Dreamhack in terms of their brand, it's not a good comparison. People watch for more than the amount of money in the prize pool and I'm not going to regard Dreamhack as a second rate competition just because WCS exists. BWC had the highest prize pool last year and it was one of the least watched events. On April 03 2013 13:49 Dodgin wrote: Keep in mind most of WCS will be played online, people will be hungry to watch LAN events. Again, as I already said - people will watch Dreamhack. It may have even better numbers than WCS. That doesn't matter though. WCS results will be of highest value when evaluating a player's accomplishments. | ||
opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On April 03 2013 13:53 DifuntO wrote: It's not gonna be any of the current GSL Code S players though so it should be fine. But yeah we'll see what happens when season 2 WCS starts. they won't be able to switch then, it's either play in the upcoming code a prelims and forfeit WCS NA/EU or forfeit the GSL prelims | ||
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