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DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 04:22:52
April 03 2013 04:20 GMT
#1401
So does the the 1.6 mill include GSL+OSL+MLG prizepools?

edit: nvm seems so. Mixed feelings. We'll see how it works out.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
April 03 2013 04:21 GMT
#1402
On April 03 2013 13:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


who is to say Canada won't get a WCS NA final?
WCS NA is MLG, right, so unless MLG makes their first CA event. Sure, I hope they do.

On April 03 2013 13:18 FeltFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


Blasphemer! Dreamhack will never be a 2nd-rate event.

It kinda is. It will get some WCS points, but fewer than the major events like MLG/ESL/GSL/OSL. And all eyes will be on WCS.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 04:26:59
April 03 2013 04:23 GMT
#1403
On April 03 2013 13:19 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:06 sitromit wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:02 zenkicker wrote:
So this means GSL and OSL will stop giving seeds? Or they will give it to Top 4 finishers of the previous tourney?


From what I understand GSL and OSL are only different in name now and it's going to work the same way it does from one season of GSL to the next. In other words, top 8 automatically qualify for next season's Code S/Premier league for GSL/OSL whichever one is next, the rest will come from Code A/Challenger league through ro24 matches and up-and-downs etc.


that's exactly it


so 2013 gsl season 2 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 1, osl becomes wcs kr 2013 season 2 and gsl season 3 2013 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 3. 2013 gsl season 4 is independent of wcs?

On April 03 2013 13:21 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


who is to say Canada won't get a WCS NA final?
WCS NA is MLG, right, so unless MLG makes their first CA event. Sure, I hope they do.

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:18 FeltFace wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


Blasphemer! Dreamhack will never be a 2nd-rate event.

It kinda is. It will get some WCS points, but fewer than the major events like MLG/ESL/GSL/OSL. And all eyes will be on WCS.


I think you're totally wrong, dreamhack has built up a reputation and you can't get people to turn away from it just by announcing something else that has a lot of money. It's not like League where there was nothing built up without the developer before LCS. Dreamhack is still going to get an insane number of viewers for their live event.

It's a brand that people won't ignore, just like MLG and GSL.
Acer1791
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany182 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-03 04:25:34
April 03 2013 04:23 GMT
#1404
so the 1.6 million in pricepool will be spread through all of wcs?
that means 3 gsl's (if you count osl as one too) cant be the norm of 160k each, cause every region will be equal + the season finals + the grand final.

that means less money overall for koreans through "their" tourneys
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
April 03 2013 04:26 GMT
#1405
On April 03 2013 13:16 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:03 sitromit wrote:
I wonder how many bottles of champagne Polt opened today.


Probably wasted in a strip club with violet, laughing their asses off.




looooooooool, I really wish I could have seen their reactions.
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SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
April 03 2013 04:26 GMT
#1406
On April 03 2013 13:20 DamageControL wrote:
So does the the 1.6 mill include GSL+OSL+MLG prizepools?

edit: nvm seems so. Mixed feelings. We'll see how it works out.

Don't think so...
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
Cainam
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States421 Posts
April 03 2013 04:27 GMT
#1407
Some of the most intriguing news in the history of esports and the SC2 community manages to be as negative as humanly possible again. I love this game so much, but this community...
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
April 03 2013 04:28 GMT
#1408
On April 03 2013 13:27 Cainam wrote:
Some of the most intriguing news in the history of esports and the SC2 community manages to be as negative as humanly possible again. I love this game so much, but this community...

Play a few games of hon if you want to feel better about this community.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
April 03 2013 04:29 GMT
#1409
On April 03 2013 13:23 Acer1791 wrote:
so the 1.6 million in pricepool will be spread through all of wcs?
that means 3 gsl's (if you count osl as one too) cant be the norm of 160k each, cause every region will be equal + the season finals + the grand final.

that means less money overall for koreans through "their" tourneys


Korea will probably be getting about the same amount (or a bit higher) as current GSL seasons, but the NA and EU scene will be receiving a shit ton more money.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 03 2013 04:30 GMT
#1410
On April 03 2013 13:27 Cainam wrote:
Some of the most intriguing news in the history of esports...

not
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3823 Posts
April 03 2013 04:30 GMT
#1411
Really struggling to resist the urge to gripe about this announcement...

I will wait until I see more information, but I will definitely say that anything which dilutes the prestige of Code S participation is a stupid move.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
April 03 2013 04:31 GMT
#1412
This region lock will make it more difficult to see your favorite player attending your local tournaments.
Say goodbye to taking pictures with SaSe and Stephano in America.
Say goodbye to MKP vs DRG finals at MLG.

Totally sucks.
moo...for DRG
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33713 Posts
April 03 2013 04:33 GMT
#1413
On April 03 2013 13:23 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:19 Waxangel wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:06 sitromit wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:02 zenkicker wrote:
So this means GSL and OSL will stop giving seeds? Or they will give it to Top 4 finishers of the previous tourney?


From what I understand GSL and OSL are only different in name now and it's going to work the same way it does from one season of GSL to the next. In other words, top 8 automatically qualify for next season's Code S/Premier league for GSL/OSL whichever one is next, the rest will come from Code A/Challenger league through ro24 matches and up-and-downs etc.


that's exactly it


so 2013 gsl season 2 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 1, osl becomes wcs kr 2013 season 2 and gsl season 3 2013 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 3. 2013 gsl season 4 is independent of wcs?

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:21 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


who is to say Canada won't get a WCS NA final?
WCS NA is MLG, right, so unless MLG makes their first CA event. Sure, I hope they do.

On April 03 2013 13:18 FeltFace wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


Blasphemer! Dreamhack will never be a 2nd-rate event.

It kinda is. It will get some WCS points, but fewer than the major events like MLG/ESL/GSL/OSL. And all eyes will be on WCS.


I think you're totally wrong, dreamhack has built up a reputation and you can't get people to turn away from it just by announcing something else that has a lot of money. It's not like League where there was nothing built up without the developer before LCS. Dreamhack is still going to get an insane number of viewers for their live event.

It's a brand that people won't ignore, just like MLG and GSL.


There is no GSL season 4, just three this year.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
April 03 2013 04:34 GMT
#1414
This announcement has lots of pros, but cons is that Dreamhack and NASL got shafted, though Blizzard says Dreamhack will play an event in this as well. A lot of countries got shafted as well, including SEA, Australia. Canada, not really because we never had a major event here aside from NASL.

I wonder how this announcement will affect tournaments. We already know that GSL is "no more" as GSL and OSL are the same now, and there will only be 3 more GSL/OSL seasons, instead of 3 GSL seasons and for example, 3 separate OSL seasons. At least we still have GSTL and ProLeague?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
April 03 2013 04:35 GMT
#1415
On April 03 2013 13:31 neoghaleon55 wrote:
This region lock will make it more difficult to see your favorite player attending your local tournaments.
Say goodbye to taking pictures with SaSe and Stephano in America.
Say goodbye to MKP vs DRG finals at MLG.

Totally sucks.

no it won't, weekend tourneys remain the same so long as they don't overlap with the seasons
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Acer1791
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany182 Posts
April 03 2013 04:35 GMT
#1416
On April 03 2013 13:29 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:23 Acer1791 wrote:
so the 1.6 million in pricepool will be spread through all of wcs?
that means 3 gsl's (if you count osl as one too) cant be the norm of 160k each, cause every region will be equal + the season finals + the grand final.

that means less money overall for koreans through "their" tourneys


Korea will probably be getting about the same amount (or a bit higher) as current GSL seasons, but the NA and EU scene will be receiving a shit ton more money.


well i dont get it then.
as far as i understood:

EU WCS
NA WCS
KR WCS (gsl +osl)

all of them get 3 seasons that makes 9 in total.
that would be like 170k for each region each season but without the season finals and the overall final.
the only logical conclusion i can make out of that is that every gsl season will get way less money or the 1.6 million is only for the 3 season finals and the overall final.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 03 2013 04:35 GMT
#1417
On April 03 2013 13:30 Brett wrote:
Really struggling to resist the urge to gripe about this announcement...

I will wait until I see more information, but I will definitely say that anything which dilutes the prestige of Code S participation is a stupid move.

how? they aren't changing Code S at all?
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 03 2013 04:35 GMT
#1418
On April 03 2013 13:31 neoghaleon55 wrote:
This region lock will make it more difficult to see your favorite player attending your local tournaments.
Say goodbye to taking pictures with SaSe and Stephano in America.
Say goodbye to MKP vs DRG finals at MLG.

Totally sucks.


not necessarily. Regular MLG is separate and now gives the additional incentive of WCS points (just less of them).

We could still see the MLG regulars at Anaheim
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
April 03 2013 04:36 GMT
#1419
On April 03 2013 13:35 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:31 neoghaleon55 wrote:
This region lock will make it more difficult to see your favorite player attending your local tournaments.
Say goodbye to taking pictures with SaSe and Stephano in America.
Say goodbye to MKP vs DRG finals at MLG.

Totally sucks.

no it won't, weekend tourneys remain the same so long as they don't overlap with the seasons


Have we heard anything official to confirm this?
moo...for DRG
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 03 2013 04:36 GMT
#1420
On April 03 2013 13:33 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2013 13:23 Dodgin wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:19 Waxangel wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:06 sitromit wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:02 zenkicker wrote:
So this means GSL and OSL will stop giving seeds? Or they will give it to Top 4 finishers of the previous tourney?


From what I understand GSL and OSL are only different in name now and it's going to work the same way it does from one season of GSL to the next. In other words, top 8 automatically qualify for next season's Code S/Premier league for GSL/OSL whichever one is next, the rest will come from Code A/Challenger league through ro24 matches and up-and-downs etc.


that's exactly it


so 2013 gsl season 2 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 1, osl becomes wcs kr 2013 season 2 and gsl season 3 2013 becomes wcs kr 2013 season 3. 2013 gsl season 4 is independent of wcs?

On April 03 2013 13:21 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 13:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


who is to say Canada won't get a WCS NA final?
WCS NA is MLG, right, so unless MLG makes their first CA event. Sure, I hope they do.

On April 03 2013 13:18 FeltFace wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:49 figq wrote:
On April 03 2013 12:44 MrMedic wrote:
and its not coming to Canada
Yeah, I feel like Canada and Sweden are probably the most hurt country-wise by these events. Top SC2 countries that won't get any special treatment: Canada won't get events and Sweden's Dreamhack will now be 2nd-rate event.


Blasphemer! Dreamhack will never be a 2nd-rate event.

It kinda is. It will get some WCS points, but fewer than the major events like MLG/ESL/GSL/OSL. And all eyes will be on WCS.


I think you're totally wrong, dreamhack has built up a reputation and you can't get people to turn away from it just by announcing something else that has a lot of money. It's not like League where there was nothing built up without the developer before LCS. Dreamhack is still going to get an insane number of viewers for their live event.

It's a brand that people won't ignore, just like MLG and GSL.


There is no GSL season 4, just three this year.


so instead of two individual leagues in korea we're getting the same tournament being ran by two different organizers taking turns with the seasons, 3 more this year and 4 next year.

not sure if I like that as much as both gsl and osl, oh well.
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