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On March 28 2013 00:30 mki wrote:
The main issue is foreigners never really had to work for their seeds so they don't appreciate it. How many foreigners have actually made it to GSL the traditional method? Sure you can argue they deserve it because they win up/down matches - but they never had to struggle through traditional GSL qualifiers.
There will never be a true top foreign contender until someone who is willing to do so and work hard for it shows up. Going to Korea just to "practice" isn't enough. It's about understanding the rigorous training schedule all these Koreans are FORCED to take up because it's so hard to qualify for GSL through qualifiers.
I think you are disregarding the fact that Stephano was really unhappy living in Korea. As I stated before, English is his third language and he was having a really hard time communicating with anyone. That can have a very isolating affect on someone and lead to depression or other problems if it isn’t addressed. That and it is a pain in the ass. With the apparent lack of support that the EG-TL house was providing before Coach Park, it is no wonder Stephano wanted to get to a place with a better environment for him.
It’s not about foreigners being ungrateful, but about teams sending their players off to Korea and not taking care of them. These guys are living in a foreign country where they don’t speak or read the language. The teams should make more efforts to help them acclimate, rather than just dropping them infront of a PC and saying “get to it”.
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kinda expected, but still sad. GSL with 1-2 foreigners is just more exciting, Koreans only can be kinda dull if its the ones nobody really knows.
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On March 28 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:22 DtorR wrote:
Is there more money involved playing on international tournaments? Even though playing in GSL Code S is an honour but I feel that to win it is not worth the effort. The competition in the international level is a little easier than in Korea. Not only that, but Stephano was having some real problems in Korea. English is his third language and the only way he could communicate with Koreans. That had to be the most frustrating experience in the world and very stressful. Even simply stuff like ordering food or taking a cab must have been a nightmare. That combined with the training and apparent lack of support they were getting before Coach Park joined, I am not surprised he is taking a break of Korea. I don’t think this has much to do with the difficulty of code S, but living in Korea as a whole was not for him and had a really negative effect on him.
Lack of support? I don't know what you guys are talking about. Stephano's English is good. You have no privacy. You're around the rest of the boys all the time. They have management in place to address him. Now I can see player's being stubborn when it comes to coaches trying to get them to do what they want them to do. He had a coach there already. Coach Park isn't supposed to be some kind of savior as you guys make him out to be. The guy will help when it comes to bringing new talent in. Lots of us knew he was no longer in Korea and heck, some might think it's because the next round hasn't officially started plus the special tournament where he isn't readily available for selection makes it a no wonder.
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I felt there were some depression related vibes coming from Stephano for a long time.
Its a good decision to go home again, then.
Hope he isn't too bummed about this..
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...He's leaving because he hates it there. Haters gonna hate. What did stephano do when he first got to korea? oh, right, he won games in proleague right off the bat.
Get over it, he's code S material. He hates it there, and it's way too much effort if he's miserable and harder to make money.
I'm not exactly a fan but I don't dislike him, it was completely evident he was miserable in korea, if you're fans at all you should agree with his decision, as it's obviously the right one for him.
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Give Code S sport to Naniwa!
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Well, as long as GSL needs high viewership, they're going to continue offering seeds to foreigners and other fresh faces. There will be others as long as the foreign talent pool doesn't decline too drastically.
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top 4 MLG already in code S, maybe that'll open up a spot for IMFirst to get seeded since he got 2nd place at IEM.
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maybe players should be more salary driven rather than prize money driven.
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The opposite would have been surprising since he almost came into depression last time he went to Korea.
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On March 28 2013 00:36 GunSec wrote:
he said on his latest stream that his next tournament was dreamhack so he is going to miss GSL code s 100 %, he has forfeited his spot for sure. Give the spot to Sortof or Scarlett!
Hell no, I hope GOM won't give spots to foreigners anymore.
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this looks to like a management-driven move. If he loses or even gets crushed in GSL his status as one of the best crumbles even further and maybe EG wont take that risk.
It`s really sad we can`t see him fight the best. : /
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I don't know why I'm having so much trouble finding Stephano's proleague record. Anyone have that handy?
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On March 28 2013 00:41 LainRivers wrote:
...He's leaving because he hates it there. Haters gonna hate. What did stephano do when he first got to korea? oh, right, he won games in proleague right off the bat.
Get over it, he's code S material. He hates it there, and it's way too much effort if he's miserable and harder to make money.
I'm not exactly a fan but I don't dislike him, it was completely evident he was miserable in korea, if you're fans at all you should agree with his decision, as it's obviously the right one for him.
To be Code S material you sort of have to compete and want and like being in Korea. So while he might have the skill he certainly doesn't have the heart. You need heart to live and play in the best league.
On March 28 2013 00:37 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:32 RPR_Tempest wrote:
I feel quite disappointed and betrayed by this. Foreigners in Korea is my absolute favourite type of competition in SC2. I enjoy it too... Watching foreigners getting smacked down by actually good players is always entertaining.
Legionnaire is still King. 
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On March 28 2013 00:41 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2013 00:34 Plansix wrote:On March 28 2013 00:22 DtorR wrote:
Is there more money involved playing on international tournaments? Even though playing in GSL Code S is an honour but I feel that to win it is not worth the effort. The competition in the international level is a little easier than in Korea. Not only that, but Stephano was having some real problems in Korea. English is his third language and the only way he could communicate with Koreans. That had to be the most frustrating experience in the world and very stressful. Even simply stuff like ordering food or taking a cab must have been a nightmare. That combined with the training and apparent lack of support they were getting before Coach Park joined, I am not surprised he is taking a break of Korea. I don’t think this has much to do with the difficulty of code S, but living in Korea as a whole was not for him and had a really negative effect on him. Lack of support? I don't know what you guys are talking about. Stephano's English is good. You have no privacy. You're around the rest of the boys all the time. They have management in place to address him. Now I can see player's being stubborn when it comes to coaches trying to get them to do what they want them to do. He had a coach there already. Coach Park isn't supposed to be some kind of savior as you guys make him out to be. The guy will help when it comes to bringing new talent in. Lots of us knew he was no longer in Korea and heck, some might think it's because the next round hasn't officially started plus the special tournament where he isn't readily available for selection makes it a no wonder.
You should listen to the interview on the Pulse this week with Alex Garfield. He flat out says he did not have enough support for players in the EG-TL Lab and their coaching was not sufficient. He goes farther to say they are taking steps to provide better support for players in both NA and Korea. The third language issue is a thing as well, since all Koreans don’t speak or understand perfect English. These are the kind of issues that people don’t take into account when they send their players off to other countries. It is not rocket science to say “I am sending this player off to another country with a wildly different language and culture. I wonder if adjusting that change will have a negative effect on their practice and play?”
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On March 28 2013 00:46 zul wrote:
this looks to like a management-driven move. If he loses or even gets crushed in GSL his status as one of the best crumbles even further and maybe EG wont take that risk.
It`s really sad we can`t see him fight the best. : /
More like Stephano didn't want to be there like many others.
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Can anyone say tail between his legs? Most of us saw this coming a mile off, he's never been Code S winning material.
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This is a great choice for Stephano, why compete against a bunch of koreans for such small prize money (small relative to the tournament length when gsl goes for almost 2 months whereas other tourneys finish within 3 days) when he knows that he can pwn foreigners left and right in the international tournaments?
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On March 28 2013 00:41 LainRivers wrote:
...He's leaving because he hates it there. Haters gonna hate. What did stephano do when he first got to korea? oh, right, he won games in proleague right off the bat.
Get over it, he's code S material. He hates it there, and it's way too much effort if he's miserable and harder to make money.
I'm not exactly a fan but I don't dislike him, it was completely evident he was miserable in korea, if you're fans at all you should agree with his decision, as it's obviously the right one for him.
Do you think he hates it there because of the food and the culture, or because he's actually forced to practice and he's losing games against players he expected to destroy?
There are a lot of factors of course, but let's not pretend he's just homesick. He's having difficulty adjusting to what a SC2 progamer should be, and he's giving up in favor of something easier.
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Not exactly unexpected. He did multiple interviews saying he hates living in Korea.
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