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SChlafmann
Profile Joined September 2011
France725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 15:37:21
March 27 2013 15:34 GMT
#81
I totally agree, there is no way you can make it to GM because of micro.
From what I saw, he won't be master in EU with his actual level either.
Nevertheless, I really admire what he did so far.

I'm pretty sure blizzard is very attentive to this new way of playing, but playing with a game controler will always be dedicated to casual gaming, such as FPS on console.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 15:44:15
March 27 2013 15:41 GMT
#82
People like to tell me the same thing in fighting games, "you can't do that on pad". Proving them wrong is a lot of fun. I've always believed that nothing is impossible, you can master any tool given to you. With a high enough sensitivity and keen enough eyesight, a gamepad can do anything a mouse+keyboard can do. I think you'll get there if you try hard enough.

On March 28 2013 00:34 SChlafmann wrote:
I totally agree, there is no way you can make it to GM because of micro.


See, that's really an issue of the limitation of the person being used to the hardware, and not the hardware itself. Obviously a gamepad is harder to get used to than a mouse, but it can technically perform all of the same tasks at the same speed.
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
March 27 2013 15:44 GMT
#83
It could be possible with Protoss atm imo :/ goodluck to ya
@taefoxy
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
March 27 2013 16:01 GMT
#84
holyshit this seemed totally impossible
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Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 16:01:48
March 27 2013 16:01 GMT
#85
On March 28 2013 00:41 Cel.erity wrote:
People like to tell me the same thing in fighting games, "you can't do that on pad". Proving them wrong is a lot of fun. I've always believed that nothing is impossible, you can master any tool given to you. With a high enough sensitivity and keen enough eyesight, a gamepad can do anything a mouse+keyboard can do. I think you'll get there if you try hard enough.

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On March 28 2013 00:34 SChlafmann wrote:
I totally agree, there is no way you can make it to GM because of micro.


See, that's really an issue of the limitation of the person being used to the hardware, and not the hardware itself. Obviously a gamepad is harder to get used to than a mouse, but it can technically perform all of the same tasks at the same speed.

No it can't... The thing is that a guy practicing on a pad in a million years will be no close to the accuracy, control and speed that mouse and keyboard bring.
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
March 27 2013 16:55 GMT
#86
If you've made it this far, nothing is stopping you from going further.
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Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
March 27 2013 17:28 GMT
#87
On March 28 2013 01:01 Silencioseu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:41 Cel.erity wrote:
People like to tell me the same thing in fighting games, "you can't do that on pad". Proving them wrong is a lot of fun. I've always believed that nothing is impossible, you can master any tool given to you. With a high enough sensitivity and keen enough eyesight, a gamepad can do anything a mouse+keyboard can do. I think you'll get there if you try hard enough.

On March 28 2013 00:34 SChlafmann wrote:
I totally agree, there is no way you can make it to GM because of micro.


See, that's really an issue of the limitation of the person being used to the hardware, and not the hardware itself. Obviously a gamepad is harder to get used to than a mouse, but it can technically perform all of the same tasks at the same speed.

No it can't... The thing is that a guy practicing on a pad in a million years will be no close to the accuracy, control and speed that mouse and keyboard bring.


Well, I don't think that's true. You're wrong when you say it can't, because the analog stick has the same capacity for quick micro in the hands of an AI. The only limitation is the synergy between the analog stick and its user. No doubt it's ridiculously hard to approach mastery of such a device for playing SC2, but it's silly to assume it to be impossible.
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BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
March 27 2013 17:57 GMT
#88
From watching his stream, it's quite evident he wouldn't even make Master in EU. Furthermore it's hard to believe that the games he was playing were masters. His decision making and builds were decent, but most of his opponents seemed absolute crap. The micro was also really sluggish. I just don't see how he can get into GM, even on NA with it. That he is already beating players with a game pad is impressive enough, I don't think I would get past bronze in his place, but there is no way it can match the accuracy, speed and versatility of KB/M.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
March 27 2013 18:04 GMT
#89
I wouldn't say it's impossible but it's gonna be pretty fucking hard

this would be legit fucking awesome though
Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
March 27 2013 18:11 GMT
#90
On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness.

Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse.

What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP.

Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play.

This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible.

Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves?

Stop being a pile of giant pricks.

Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA.

GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
March 27 2013 18:25 GMT
#91
I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is. I remember seeing the first one, when Cress was in platinum, or something. It was pretty impressive that the controller worked so well in SC2, but that's about it. I'm neither expressing doubt nor hope that Cress will make it to GM, only questioning why this thread exists in the first place.

If a controller works for you, that's awesome. I don't see why it wouldn't be similar to using a mouse and keyboard. The only baseline comparison that we have for SC and a controller was SC on N64. Considering you have 2 joysticks instead of one, and more buttons at your disposal it makes sense that an XBox controller would work better than an N64 one (also, multi-building selection and larger control groups probably help).

Whether or not Cress makes it to GM will clearly have more to do with actual skill at the game than the viability of using a controller to play in the first place. Why not just update the OP of the original thread?
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Tayar
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1439 Posts
March 27 2013 18:30 GMT
#92
getting to masters w/ a gamepad is impressive enough, but GM would be mind blowing. good luck man!
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
March 27 2013 18:35 GMT
#93
On March 27 2013 08:45 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:31 eNtitY~ wrote:
Grandmasters is infinitely harder to get than Masters, it's not possible and won't happen.


thats a stupid thing to say and a bad mentality.


Well hey, I'd like to see him prove me wrong.
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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
March 27 2013 19:16 GMT
#94
I don't think its possible, the midmaster to GM gap is much bigger than most people seem to think.

I guess you could do it by perfecting a cheese for each MU, but does that actually make you a GM level player...
hku
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 19:34:56
March 27 2013 19:34 GMT
#95
On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness.

Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse.

What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP.

Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play.

This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible.

Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves?

Stop being a pile of giant pricks.

Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA.

GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server.


You're a racist and a liar.
weikor
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria580 Posts
March 27 2013 19:51 GMT
#96
This strangely reminds me of womens football,
- can never compete with the original but still entertaining.
Stipulation
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States587 Posts
March 27 2013 20:16 GMT
#97
I'm in awe. So impressive Cress.
iLevitate
Profile Joined April 2012
United States225 Posts
March 27 2013 22:28 GMT
#98
On March 28 2013 04:34 hku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness.

Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse.

What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP.

Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play.

This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible.

Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves?

Stop being a pile of giant pricks.

Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA.

GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server.


You're a racist and a liar.

Oh jeez, this quote make my day. Nevertheless, he does have a point. SEA GM is like mid-ish master
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Ruin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States271 Posts
March 27 2013 22:31 GMT
#99
On March 28 2013 04:34 hku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness.

Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse.

What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP.

Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play.

This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible.

Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves?

Stop being a pile of giant pricks.

Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA.

GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server.


You're a racist and a liar.


Someone is in denial. Also, please tell me how I'm racist or even a liar?
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
March 27 2013 22:32 GMT
#100
On March 28 2013 04:34 hku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:11 Aiursc wrote:
On March 28 2013 00:23 hku wrote:
I just can't believe everyone is dying to express their close-mindedness.

Sure a controller is different. Sure the keyboard/mouse is the established setup. Yes the best players right now use keyboard/mouse.

What offends me is that the people here seem to believe that the only way to be good at Starcraft is to perfectly mimic Stephano or MC or MVP.

Starcraft's beauty comes from it's intricacies and how a person's personality shines through their play.

This man comes along, clearly massively talented (honestly, how many of you thought getting to masters with a controller was impossible before this thread?), and all anybody has to say is that it is impossible.

Don't you guys see that having different people playing differently is how the community, the strategic base, the knowledge of the game evolves?

Stop being a pile of giant pricks.

Just as a reminder to anyone that didn't read my previous post, I am newly GM on SEA.

GM on sea is like being the best worst player. None of the good sea players even play on sea, even a diamond can get gm on sea. Last time I played on sea I got rank 1 gm in 3 days it's ridiculous. Stop acting like your opinion is weighted more just because you can get gm on the easiest server.


You're a racist and a liar.

How is that racist? The man is telling the truth, and the truth is SEA is an easy server because no notable players play on it. When global play came out, how many people where happy about playing on SEA? maybe the salty players that couldn't get past diamond on their native server which would make sense. Other than that, SEA server is terrible practice and its really nothing to be all happy about when getting gm on it ._. (no offense of course to SEA players, but it's the truth)
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