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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
But these stories are similar to many other stories if you look for it. BTW, in your list you put Zeratul as both Medivh and Illidan. He cannot be both and that still be considered as an argument in this comparison. Also love plot stuff is also not an argument. WC3 love plot has no other connection to Arthas. Also Mengsk is much more complex and interesting then whatever humans are in WC3. Also there is no Jim Raynor counterpart in WC3 and he is main character of SC universe. | ||
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Greenwizard
48 Posts
- A prophecy, a legend , a myth something like that. - Well bad guy that wanna blow up and kill stuff - You can't say the overmind is the prisoner , you could say Sarah might be with her mind not beeing her own - Usually there are sign of what's to come and meh they don't really look the same here - Like 95% of the time there is a traitor, someone who changes sides but the most intresting is how they change side and why and again there is a big difference of what happens to them - The hero that sacrifices himself , total different reasons and situation. - the outcasts hmmm - really a mystic item in a fantasy series ? show me a series WITHOUT one. - Love ... well some like it and it should be there in any fantasy to give us hope  - Kings change a lot , other take their place ... and well you gotta have humans in your fantasys . The reasons they are changed is so different and the plot behind it.So unless you wanted to point out that the both games have important things that make a great fantasy then you are right. | ||
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haaz
157 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:31 Greenwizard wrote: So unless you wanted to point out that the both games have important things that make a great fantasy then you are right. But its sci-fi !!! I kind of dissapointed, because I predicted a 80% possible ending of Legacy of the void. The final fight between all races, also it will possible be a mission with timer as it were in wc3. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:08 Rescawen wrote: BUSTED :D Don't really think this is "busted". This was repeatedly pointed out in the shit-storm of criticism and complaints of WoL's storyline. A lot of people already knew that Metzen was a hack and is just recycling his previous stories by copy/pasting them. Well yes, the are similar. Since SC1 came before WC3, WC3 copied SC1 story. Then SC2 added some parts of WC3 into SC universe :D But these stories are similar to many other stories if you look for it. BTW, in your list you put Zeratul as both Medivh and Illidan. He cannot be both and that still be considered as an argument in this comparison. Also love plot stuff is also not an argument. WC3 love plot has no other connection to Arthas. Also Mengsk is much more complex and interesting then whatever humans are in WC3. Also there is no Jim Raynor counterpart in WC3 and he is main character of SC universe. Actually, most of the things that make SC's story like WC's were retconned into the storyline during SC2. Oh, and Mengsk has no personality or depth in SC2 whatsoever. Put a cardboard cutout in his place and it would have the same effect. | ||
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ETisME
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haaz
157 Posts
Good point, I also think its pure copy paste, and sadly got some evidence for my argument ;-/ | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
These analogies are silly as fuck, you can find the same themes in every goddamn story. Modern fantasy probably comes the closest to Tolkien's world but Tolkien based almost everything on Norse mythology. | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
during WoL final mission of Zeratul, they showed only Protoss fighting with Xel Naga since both Kerrigan swarm and Dominion got wipe out. Now, both of them stayed alive so eventually this would happen. Probably "charge" the artifact to max power and then boom all xel naga end of story Titan : World Of Starcraft next | ||
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:42 ETisME wrote: are you really gonna ignore the thousands differences? Like? (Different units dont count as a difference, because it is about the general plot of the story.) | ||
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Roblin
Sweden948 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:35 haaz wrote: But its sci-fi !!! I kind of dissapointed, because I predicted a 80% possible ending of Legacy of the void. The final fight between all races, also it will possible be a mission with timer as it were in wc3. predicting story elements is nothing new, all you need to do is check what loose strings there are and give a generic method of tieing up that string, such as: kerrigan and jim will probably either die together, or get to have a happily ever after ending. more specific story prediction can easily be done by finding multiple related loose strings and tieing up all of them at the same time, such as: amon is predicted to take control of the zerg at some point, interestingly enough blizz created a zerg faction which kerrigan no longer controls (the abandoned zerg broodmother niadra on the protoss vessel on its way to shakuras), amon will probably take control of those and become a new zerg faction that will need to be dealt with in LOTV, that zerg faction will most likely have hybrid allies as well. also, as many others have already said, most of the comparisons presented in the OP are just descriptions of generic fantasy plot twists or more or less essential fantasy plot elements (like a love story or a magic thing. is anyone surprised about a fantasy story having that?). and come on, who did not expect the story to end in some epic battle involving all the races? that's an extremely generic fantasy ending and people would be dissappointed if it didn't end that way. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:54 Azurues wrote: We forgot, yeah:Flash vs MVP somewhere please? [wc3] Moon vs Grubby [sc2] Moon vs Grubby Also, take a look at the box covers for the expansion sets: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yolXr3U.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Zo35CnH.jpg) Some good person fought the evil, but the evil obsessed him/her, and now he/she is frenzied and powerful king/queen and the major figure of the expansion story. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
[wc3] There is typical fiction plot device X. [sc2] There is typical fiction plot device X. doesn't really do it for me, sorry. I could probably take all your points and do the same thing for Star Wars, LotR and whatever fantasy story you can think of. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10142 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:30 -Archangel- wrote: Well yes, the are similar. Since SC1 came before WC3, WC3 copied SC1 story. Then SC2 added some parts of WC3 into SC universe :D But these stories are similar to many other stories if you look for it. BTW, in your list you put Zeratul as both Medivh and Illidan. He cannot be both and that still be considered as an argument in this comparison. Also love plot stuff is also not an argument. WC3 love plot has no other connection to Arthas. Also Mengsk is much more complex and interesting then whatever humans are in WC3. Also there is no Jim Raynor counterpart in WC3 and he is main character of SC universe. Pretty sure Thrall is WC3's Jim Raynor. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:02 ZenithM wrote: doesn't really do it for me, sorry. I could probably take all your points and do the same thing for Star Wars, LotR and whatever fantasy story you can think of. Then do so please. I doubt you will pull it off. There is no "all-powerful but evil and corrupting item" in Star Wars, so its not really going to work. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 16 2013 22:30 -Archangel- wrote: BTW, in your list you put Zeratul as both Medivh and Illidan. He cannot be both and that still be considered as an argument in this comparison. Also love plot stuff is also not an argument. WC3 love plot has no other connection to Arthas. Yep, looks like OP doesn't know of the difference between free and bound variables. + Show Spoiler + Can't blame him, though trolololol. | ||
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tomwizz
524 Posts
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
On March 16 2013 23:07 Rabiator wrote: Then do so please. I doubt you will pull it off. There is no "all-powerful but evil and corrupting item" in Star Wars, so its not really going to work. There's bunch of Sith artifacts in SW universe that are immensely powerful and corrupting. Usually from more famous Sith lords like Marka Ragnos. | ||
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Nevermind86
Somalia429 Posts
My opinion on the OP: On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] There is a prophecy of end of the world by Prophet Medivh [sc2] There is a prophecy of end of the world by Zeratul. True, but the similarities exist only if you are that vague. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] There is a guy who wants to destroy everything - Archimonde [sc2] There is a guy who wants to destroy everything - Amon (dark voice). I haven't played HOTS' campaing but Archimonde wants to conquer another world, the Burning legion are galactic conquerors, they invade planets through portals, their goal is to expand their hell, they do not want to destroy things for the sake of it, but expand their hellish empire. Archimonde is not the chief of the BL by the way, he's just one of the generals and he is killed and the BL just keeps going, but unable at the time to conquer 'earth'. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] Lich king Nerzhul is prisoner of Burning Legion (Archimonde) [sc2] Overmind is prisoner of Xel Naga (Amon). The Undead were created by the burning legion to help them conquer Azeroth and the whole planet, but the lich king is not a prisoner of Archimonde, it's an ancient evil inside a huge cristal who wants to come out and merge with Arthas not to save the world of the Burning Legion but to conquer the world and destroy everything in it's path, including the burning legion. the Undead shows to be stronger than the BL forces 'brough from the portal', the BL obviously had way more troops but were unable to bring them. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] Undead forces are only beginning of true invasion of Burning Legion armies [sc2] Zerg forces are only beginning of true invasion of Xel Naga hybrids. I don't know if zergs are that, really... I though they were created because of their purity of essence and Amon controlled them after they were created, the undead are a creation of Mannaroth the Pitlord, who previously turned orcs evil but then discarded them because they were unable to open the portals to bring the BL. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] Nerzhul changes prince Arthas into his undead officer [sc2] Overmind changes Kerrigan into his zerg officer. Frostmourne changed Arthas. He served the sword of the ancient evil inside the crystal from the beginning, he just happened to be serving orders of the BL too, without knowing their true intentions, but they could rebel, they were fooled but not controlled. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] Arthas becomes new lich king at the end [sc2] Kerrigan becomes new overmind at the end. Arthas already controlled the undead, he merges with the lich king to become more powerful, because he was power hungry because he could already destroy all the other races, everybody is against him, unlike Kerrigan, all races in WC3, even the BL wants Arthas's head. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] There is a outcast guy - Illidan Stormrage [sc2] There is a outcast guy - Zeratul. What the...? Illidan Stormrage was corrupted from the very beginning, he was in prison for 10.000 years for being evil and when he does come out the first thing he does is get that demonic skull that turned him into a powerful demon, he was serving the interests of the BL to conquer the world after that... On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] There is a mystic item - Sword Frostmourne [sc2] There is a mystic item - Xel Naga Artifact. Indeed, but there were plenty of other important items in WC3, the green eye that could do earthquakes, the magical urn arthas needed, the skull Illidan gets... Frostmourne with it's power called Arthas, turned him into a corrupted power hungry version of himself, so he could conquer the world and destroy everybody and then merge with the trapped lich king in the ultimate power grab. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: [wc3] There is a fall of current human emperor - Arthas kill his father [sc2] There is a fall of current human emperor - Kerrigan kill Mengsk. Arthas killed his father because he was corrupted by the Lich king, not because of some silly "this is justice" theme, the human emperor was a conservatist, thinking they should keep doing what they were doing because of former glories, Arthas kills him to show everybody he was the succesor, even though he didn't care about the crown particularly... maybe to say there is only one king in Azeroth and that it was him. On March 16 2013 21:55 haaz wrote: So as far as I understand: The end of Legacy of the void will be the big fight as it were in wc3 right? [wc3] human & night elf & orc vs burning legion & Archimonde [sc2] terran & protoss & zerg vs hybrids & Amon. That was not the end of WC3, the end of WC3 was Arthas destroying pretty much everybody and then Illidan forces so he could merge with the Lich King, his ascension. The end of the story is pretty much like BW, Arthas is invincible, just like Kerrigan, he destroyed everybody but then decides not to attack the rest inmediately. OP you have been exposed, keep telling your lies somewhere. | ||
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