EPTStarCraft 2 story = WarCraft 3 story? - Page 5
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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dehydrogenaza
Poland122 Posts
[sc2] Story makes no sense [wc3] Writing is kind of good for a game [sc2] Rumoured to be written by Metzen's 8 y.o. daughter I can't really see any similarities here. + Show Spoiler + Trollolo?+ Show Spoiler + Or is it?!?!? | ||
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Ario
Canada73 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3463 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
Someone (Arthas, Kerrigan) fights against a seemingly innumerate and not understood enemy (undead, Zerg) and got turned into what they tried to kill (Lich King, Queen of Blades) and drove the story forward for a looooong time with huge consequences and bloodshed to go around. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 17 2013 02:31 IntoTheheart wrote: Yeah, the strongest parallels are with elements that existed already in SC/BW. Which means it's a case of WarCraft3 copying StarCraft, moreso than SC2 copying WC3.Yeah I kinda saw the same thing around the SC1 era. Someone (Arthas, Kerrigan) fights against a seemingly innumerate and not understood enemy (undead, Zerg) and got turned into what they tried to kill (Lich King, Queen of Blades) and drove the story forward for a looooong time with huge consequences and bloodshed to go around. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
[wc3] There is a outcast guy - Illidan Stormrage [sc2] There is a outcast guy - Zeratul [wc3] There is a mystic item - Sword Frostmourne [sc2] There is a mystic item - Xel Naga Artifact [wc3] There is a love plot between Tyrande Whisperwind and Furion Stormrage [sc2] There is a love plot between Sarah Kerrigan and James Raynor [wc3] There is a fall of current human emperor - Arthas kill his father [sc2] There is a fall of current human emperor - Kerrigan kill Mengsk These and the ones after the main section are all kind of a stretch, but the rest are pretty spot on. These are standard human things that appear in stories about humans, except for the artifact. For that matter, as others pointed out, the skull of Gul'dan makes more sense. The key similarity, imo, is that Kerrigan in HotS had a chance to choose her own path, rather than have it forced on her, which is what happened the first time around. She went from being more like Sylvanas to more like Arthas, except that she's not necessarily evil (though revenge isn't exactly a saintly motive). Kerrigan didn't know if returning to the Zerg would re-create old evil Kerrigan, though it's clear she didn't want that. She didn't know if the primal spawning pool transformation would make her into a monster again, though she'd hoped it wouldn't, after hearing that the Amon essence was cleansed, etc. She gambled that it would be worth it, which in the long run remains to be seen. A relatively minor parallel is that there's a quest in WoW (WotLK) where you find out Arthas went out of his way to physically remove his heart, lest it be a weakness for the Lich King. It's kind of the inverse of what the Xel'Naga artifact does to Kerrigan. The similarity with regards to the demons/hybrids has been obvious for a while. Even at the end of the SC:BW secret mission, it seemed a possibility that there would be a team up. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:09 figq wrote: Yeah, the strongest parallels are with elements that existed already in SC/BW. Which means it's a case of WarCraft3 copying StarCraft, moreso than SC2 copying WC3. they even have sort of mini stories of that going on with Sylvanas from wc and + Show Spoiler + stukov | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
Everyone who knows a bit about literature recognizes basic structures for different kind of genres. You could draw the same analogy easily with and crime-flic or fantasy-flic. Also some of your comparisions are flawed | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:23 ch4ppi wrote: Im sorry, but this isnt really anything special. Everyone who knows a bit about literature recognizes basic structures for different kind of genres. You could draw the same analogy easily with and crime-flic or fantasy-flic. Also some of your comparisions are flawed How do you say "negative nancy" in German?  I don't think anyone is taking this too seriously lol. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:27 farvacola wrote: How do you say "negative nancy" in German? I don't think anyone is taking this too seriously lol.You'd be surprised... People love to jump at a chance to bash Metzen/Blizz. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + [wc3] There is a prophecy of end of the world by Prophet Medivh [sc2] There is a prophecy of end of the world by Zeratul [Zelda] There is a prophecy of the beginning of the world by Goddesses [FF8] There is a prophecy of the end of the world by Ultimecia [Poke B/W] There is a prophecy about the heroes of truth and ideals [wc3] There is a guy who wants to destroy everything - Archimonde [sc2] There is a guy who wants to destroy everything - Amon (dark voice) [Zelda] There is a guy who wants to destroy everything - Ganon [FF8] There is a girl who wants to destroy everything - Ultimecia [Poke B/W] There is a guy who wants to destroy links between humans and pokemon (and yes, that is considered everything in this universe) - Ghetsis [wc3] Lich king Nerzhul is prisoner of Burning Legion (Archimonde) [sc2] Overmind is prisoner of Xel Naga (Amon) [Zelda] Zelda is a prisoner of Ganon [FF8] Galbadia is a prisoner of Ultimecia [Poke B/W] N is a prisoner of Ghetsis [wc3] Undead forces are only beginning of true invasion of Burning Legion armies [sc2] Zerg forces are only beginning of true invasion of Xel Naga hybrids [Zelda] Ganon presence is only beginning of true goal for Triforce [FF8] Edea presence is only beginning of true attack by Ultimecia [Poke B/W] Zekrom vs Reshiram is only the beginning of the true plan of using Kyurem (I'm totally not stretching it here) [wc3] Nerzhul changes prince Arthas into his undead officer [sc2] Overmind changes Kerrigan into his zerg officer [Zelda] Master sword changes link into hero [FF8] Ultimecia changes Edea into Puppet Sorceress [Poke B/W] Ghetsis changes Zinzolin into a competent.... nah, Zinzolin still sucks [wc3] Arthas becomes new lich king at the end [sc2] Kerrigan becomes new overmind at the end [Zelda] Zelda Link and Ganon all represent a part of the triforce at the end [FF8] Rinoa becomes new sorceress near the end [Poke B/W] Main becomes champion at the end [wc3] There is a outcast guy - Illidan Stormrage [sc2] There is a outcast guy - Zeratul [Zelda] There is a outcast guy - Skullkid [FF8] There is a outcast guy - Squall [Poke B/W] There is a Plasma outcast - Rood [wc3] There is a mystic item - Sword Frostmourne [sc2] There is a mystic item - Xel Naga Artifact [Zelda] There is a mystic item - Triforce, Master Sword, Ocarina [FF8] There is a mystic item - Gardens, GFs [Poke B/W] There is a mystic item - the thing that controlled Kyurem [wc3] There is a love plot between Tyrande Whisperwind and Furion Stormrage [sc2] There is a love plot between Sarah Kerrigan and James Raynor [Zelda] There is a love plot between Zelda and Link [FF8] There is a love plot between Rinoa and Squall [Poke B/W] There is a love plot between Ditto and everyone [wc3] There is a fall of current human emperor - Arthas kill his father [sc2] There is a fall of current human emperor - Kerrigan kill Mengsk [Zelda] There is a fall of current human king - King of Hyrule [FF8] Theres ia fall of a current human ruler - President Vinzer Deling [Poke B/W] There is a fall of a current champion - Iris | ||
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jment
Austria68 Posts
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:27 farvacola wrote: How do you say "negative nancy" in German? I don't think anyone is taking this too seriously lol.haha  Actually looked up the meaning, but I cant find any fitting german expression I think there are quiet a bunch of people that take this seriously and take the OPs post as a basis to criticise a good written story, because he broke it down really simple. Not that anyone would really read my post, but Im glad that you responded and know what Im talking about. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:27 farvacola wrote: How do you say "negative nancy" in German? Denkohlekellernichtvollsondernschwarzseher. Loosely translates into: "you can't see how full your basement dedicated to coals is full of coals, all you see is the black color which saddens and frightens you". Some expressions take minutes to say in German. Like, instead of finding the needle in a haystack, you will find the: "Köstlicher Nougatbrocken in eine Teich voll grauem Grießschleim mit Rosinen." (delicious nugget of nougat in a pool of gray semolina slime with raisins) It's a very common expression. | ||
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
On March 17 2013 03:33 jment wrote: The fact, that Blizzard ruined the SC universe with terrible, terrible writing throughout WoL & HotS just makes me sick. Another great potential for incredible epicness just wasted. Shame on you Blizzard, shame on you. Just a great example of someone having no idea about literature and falling to the "obviously" bad written story that just copys WC3 plot .... | ||
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Tanukki
Finland579 Posts
In LotV, the protoss will be corrupted by Amon, also known to some as Sargeras. Zeratul, who is masquerading as a templar called Velen, manages to save a bunch of them, though they are transformed to Draenei in the process. They escape from Argus (Shakuras) to Draenor, where they live peacefully for a while but are eventually besieged by demons and orcs. Draenor is ruined and taken over by Illidan's forces. The survivors teleport and crashland on Azeroth, and the circle of retconning is complete. | ||
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