EPTIt did feel like Stukov was out of place though. He really didn't do anything important.
Overall though, I enjoyed the story, cheesiness and all. It was about what I expected after playing Wings of Liberty.
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
It did feel like Stukov was out of place though. He really didn't do anything important. Overall though, I enjoyed the story, cheesiness and all. It was about what I expected after playing Wings of Liberty. | ||
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Lizarb
Denmark307 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:35 Phay wrote: Kerrigan: A drone? Do you know what could happen if I take control of a Zerg?? Valerian: I know, I know, but we are in a very controlled environment. Now, build a hatchery Now, build a spawning pool! <facepalm> I thought it was an ok intruduction for people that might not have play Zerg. Its not like that introduction goes on forever. Everything can't be for alle the 1337 people. If you thought that Blizzard only made games that waws pleasing the hardcore gamers... well then as you said /facepalm . Maybe some of the people that thought the writing was bad should step up and make some fan fiction themself. OPen op the level/cutscene editors and make a better zerg campaign yourself. | ||
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MetalPanda
Canada1152 Posts
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Extenz
Italy822 Posts
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AztecTemplar
United States117 Posts
SC and BW was broader, it was a war, tumult, change. SC2 focuses on the 3 characters whose lives affect their respective races. What Raynor does affects what happens with Terran, Kerrigan and the Swarm, Zeratul and the Protoss. All 3 are key. Also, I just remembered Stukov talking about the Earth. Maybe he is there to bring hope that the UED will come back? SC3? XD just kidding. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On March 15 2013 08:45 paralleluniverse wrote: So where are the threads before March 12 2013 where the following was predicted? -Raynor was presumed dead. -That Kerrigan's motivation for remaking the swarm was to get revenge on Mengsk because she thought Raynor was dead. -That Kerrigan transforms to a zerg via the power of the primal zerg on Zerus. -Narud was working with the Dominion to make hybrids. -Narud was going to be kill by Kerrigan. And there are other story points that you haven't mentioned. But until I see predictions by several people, there is no convincing evidence that the story was predictable, just after-the-fact rationalization. Obviously, you can't expect people to predict things like that (it's so easy for a story-writer to make up some random detail in the overarching theme of the story to make it "unpredictable"), but the overall passage of the story and basic timeline for it was very easy to predict. At least Kerrigan's dialogue wasn't as cheesy as Raynor's, that would only have made it worse. I do think LotV will be much better, there's obviously the whole Terran + Zerg + Protoss vs hybrid war, and the protoss having to become friends (again) with Kerrigan and Raynor, and a lot of the main characters will die, and the heroes will all be victorious at the end, but there's some room for development. | ||
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Roman666
Poland1440 Posts
In general the idea of the plot was good, but it was terribly told. Dialogues were so shallow, silly and to some extent pretty predictable. I seriously hope that they do some better scripting in next expansion... | ||
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iLikeRain
Denmark504 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:29 Gatesleeper wrote: No, it's absolutely fine, if the people we're talking about are infants and the media we're discussing is designed for them. But when human beings grow up to be adults, they have a civic duty to promote good taste. It is morally unethical for people to like bad things. Corruption, torture, murder, child pornography, The Jersey Shore, The Heart of the Swarm storyline, all these things should be shunned by humanity and to do otherwise is hurtful to everyone. Not sure if I should laugh or cry. You are beyond help. | ||
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Account252508
3454 Posts
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Tommyth
Poland117 Posts
On March 15 2013 08:12 bbfg wrote: If you think you are some sort of authority on wether someone should be ashamed of themselves or not based on a videogame story they like or not, you clearly are an idiot. I'm going to read on though because I hate myself. Actually, a one's taste tells a lot about himself, the values he appreciates. The statement "you don't judge people by taste" is one of the most stupid I ever heard, yet quite a bit of people use it. Sorry sir, if you say Justin Bieber music is great, I give myself every right to call you an idiot. On March 15 2013 08:12 bbfg wrote: I liked them and didn't find it weird that they were suddenly there. There is a very big gap between BW and SC2 where we hear nothing about Kerrigan, is it really that hard to believe that she did some shit we don't know about during that period? Not that we know everything she did in SC/BW either fwiw. If you do not want new characters to be introduced I'd be curious to hear why you don't like that. You see, sc2 introduces lots of new characters but none of them has any major significance to the story. Which character from WoL shown up in Hots? Valerian and Horner, and it's not like they made a difference at any point in the game. There could be significance to his character that was set up for future expansions. Anyway his significance here was to give us some more insight and emotional investment into what Duran was doing. Oh and it was fun to see him again. Yea too bad that according to lore he died, was resurrected, infested, cured, died again, and, guess what, in hots they revived him again. Hell, even in DBZ it was damn hard to resurrect the same character more than once. I really don't think that was what Blizzard had in mind when they chose to do that since well in this game you play a very bad character once again, don't you? And it's not like she's unlikable? Most people like her from what I've heard even though she's being a total bitch through most of the campaign. The whole Narud plotline is indeed a bit weird, though we don't have all the facts to make thorough conclusions. Congratulations for writing some unrelated smart-sounding shit in response to valid argument. Again, why you bring the fact that people like Kerri even though she is a bitch to argue with a statement that Raynor butchered TalDarim just cuz "they were bad"? And yea, anything that is outright stupid can be explained with "we don't know all the facts". Well the assumption here was that once Mengsk realised he was going to be targetted, the whole dominion would come after her which would be challenging to even her brood. He's also obviously on the best defended Terran planet there is. And she had more reasons for reinfesting herself than just killing Mengsk. Oh cmon, he brought whole Dominion fleet, called in every favor he could (I'm too lazy to find the whole quote), attacked along with protoss and UED and still couldn't win. And suddenly, after mere 4 years, assaulting the dominion is "the hardest battle she ever had". I didn't find the story childish at all, heck I thought the way they portrayed Kerrigan being human again but still being so immensely powerful pretty impressive. That wasn't childish at all. I didn't have problems with the characters either. I don't know what your problem is tbh, I can understand if you don't like this story but being so immensely negative about it has to be about more than just the story. What's more childish than giving a character godlike powers? Note that in BW, she won mainly by outsmarting their opponents, making them fight against each other, while consistently growing her swarm. In Hots, she wins, cuz she "consumed the essence of the primal zerg". As somebody said before, we changed our genre from science fiction to a freaking fantasy. And yes, a freaking childish fantasy. | ||
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ShakkaFL
Norway647 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21633 Posts
On March 15 2013 09:41 ShakkaFL wrote: So, don't know if it was mentioned, but where did Raynor's gun come from when Kerrigan busted the door open at the prison cell <_< She pulls it from his holster, Doesnt everyone leave there prisoner with a gun? I to spotted that derp but meh no reason to get upset about it like some others here have been doing. You enjoy it or you dont. Stop being concerned about what another person thinks. it has 0 impact on you. | ||
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On March 15 2013 09:41 ShakkaFL wrote: So, don't know if it was mentioned, but where did Raynor's gun come from when Kerrigan busted the door open at the prison cell <_< Wow, I didn't even realise that, lol, I was just wondering why he wasn't wearing a prison outfit. In fact, he's wearing the same old T and jeans he's been wearing since the start of WoL. I mean, it's a minor nitpick, and it happens in a lot of games / shows / anime / etc, but gee it'd be nice if they gave him a bigger wardrobe. Even if he is supposed to be an average Joe. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
Read some books dudes, it's just a video game. [I'm going to go ahead and not put spoiler tags as they are already in the thread title] Btw, the story reminded me of Jedi Academy's story (which isn't that good of a thing I guess :D). You are one guy trying to become more powerful, and you have to stop some powerful dude (that you or your pals have a grudge with, from past games) from reviving some fallen ancient superpowerful god guy, while dealing with the struggle between staying good or becoming evil yourself. To this end, you have to awaken ancient powers in you. You can choose your abilities as you level up, RPG-style, even though the 2 games are not RPGs. And in both there is an oppressive human government which you fight, the Dominion, and the Empire. I'm a big fan of Jedi Knights games, so for me it wasn't that bad, but the story is really not that complicated. I honestly think people are just happy to wield their e-penises and show the rest of the world they have taste and are able to judge if a story is good or bad. Well good for you, but I for one enjoyed the campaign, the gameplay was fun, albeit a bit too easy, and the story was a good wireframe for it. | ||
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
Angry neckbeards are going to hate everything. Now D3, that was a shit story... | ||
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bbfg
30 Posts
Actually, a one's taste tells a lot about himself, the values he appreciates. The statement "you don't judge people by taste" is one of the most stupid I ever heard, yet quite a bit of people use it. Sorry sir, if you say Justin Bieber music is great, I give myself every right to call you an idiot. Obviously one's taste tells a lot about a person toward what sort of relation you will have with that person, you are not however allowed to judge or classify people based on that tiny bit of information. People are different and like different things and guess what some people do not want to have the sophisticated taste of the average "dude, the wire and breaking bad are the best tv shows ever and pretty much all the rest is crap"-guy on the internet. People like liking things for a variety of different reasons. You do not get to judge them for that. You see, sc2 introduces lots of new characters but none of them has any major significance to the story. Which character from WoL shown up in Hots? Valerian and Horner, and it's not like they made a difference at any point in the game. I would disagree with the notion that they aren't of major significance to the story, they just aren't a part of the significant parts of the story. Two different things. And why the hell do characters need to be significant to the story to be validated? I assume you are talking about the advisors you have on Leviathan, what exactly is wrong with having them there? I enjoyed every single one of them. Yea too bad that according to lore he died, was resurrected, infested, cured, died again, and, guess what, in hots they revived him again. Hell, even in DBZ it was damn hard to resurrect the same character more than once. I haven't checked the lore but if you are right yes I agree that is a bit over the top. I have heard a lot of contradicting stories to what his history actually is though so I'd like some clarification on that. Congratulations for writing some unrelated smart-sounding shit in response to valid argument. Again, why you bring the fact that people like Kerri even though she is a bitch to argue with a statement that Raynor butchered TalDarim just cuz "they were bad"? And yea, anything that is outright stupid can be explained with "we don't know all the facts". Fwiw there was another post itt that mentioned that the fact that the tal darim were evil was established earlier in the series. And I argued that I don't think that Blizzard made the tal darim evil just so Raynor doesn't seem like a huge asshole in WoL. Blizzard is fine with protagonists being assholes. That was my argument. Not sure what is wrong with that. And once again I will mention the imo flaw approach Blizzard takes to telling the Starcraft story in the video games: they don't feel like providing full information is necessary, they want to make the plot "quick" rather than "complete", which leads to stuff seeming so weird very often. Maybe we get some lore in a book (or maybe it is already out there) that makes us understand Narud's actions better. If there isn't I agree it's sloppy writing. But seeing that it's Blizzard I expect there to be some sort of logical explanation out there, we just haven't found/haven't gotten it yet. Oh cmon, he brought whole Dominion fleet, called in every favor he could (I'm too lazy to find the whole quote), attacked along with protoss and UED and still couldn't win. And suddenly, after mere 4 years, assaulting the dominion is "the hardest battle she ever had". Attacking is very different from defending and you don't know how much the power of the Dominion fleet has changed in 4 years. You can build a lot of shit in 4 years. Anyway, if you can't bring yourself to suspend some disbelief to let things like this go by, you shouldn't be playing Blizzard campaigns. I simply cannot see why people make this to be such a major problem. It just makes sense to build up the battle for Korhal as some major fucking shit. What's more childish than giving a character godlike powers? Note that in BW, she won mainly by outsmarting their opponents, making them fight against each other, while consistently growing her swarm. In Hots, she wins, cuz she "consumed the essence of the primal zerg". As somebody said before, we changed our genre from science fiction to a freaking fantasy. And yes, a freaking childish fantasy. Where does she have godlike powers exactly? Wasn't she about to be killed by a simple terran at the end until a simple terran came to her help? I do not know what makes a story jump from science fiction to fantasy and I don't care really either. Once again I disagree that this was a childish story. It had cheesy and cringeworthy bits sure, but in the whole it wasn't childish at all. Not sure why consuming has to be fantasy either, consuming is a populair theme in the science fiction world, isn't it? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 15 2013 08:18 mordk wrote: Agree with this post Also was shocked at how easily Kerri manhandled Zeratul hahah I mean WTF, Zeratul is supposed to be rather powerful Huh, he didn't even fight bro. It was made very obvious that he wasn't there to fight with her to begin with. So he just let her have some fun for a moment. Now, how easily he grabbed her head when she tried to give him her last blow was pretty badass. Like, "Please bitch, I don't have time for this..." badass. | ||
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WikidSik
Canada382 Posts
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LOLItsRyann
England551 Posts
On March 15 2013 07:35 Phay wrote: Kerrigan: A drone? Do you know what could happen if I take control of a Zerg?? Valerian: I know, I know, but we are in a very controlled environment. Now, build a hatchery Now, build a spawning pool! <facepalm> I lol'd at that part. "We're in a very secure environment." 10 of the weakest Zerg units at the most basic form with no upgrades SOMEHOW (Still I have no idea how) get out of the enclosure thing and destroy like 1000 sentry bots... | ||
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