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Gradius
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 00:48:24
June 12 2013 22:37 GMT
#1201
On June 12 2013 14:03 DarthYAM wrote:2.) I never said she was a saint. In fact, I flat out stated in an earlier post that while she is nowhere near as horrible as she was in brood war, she could still be pretty nasty.

Great, then why are you even responding to me?


b.) In evolution missions most of the planets are stated to be military installations.

Many of them are, some are definitely not. Not that it's an excuse to invade random planets in the first place when Kerrigan isn't even using her full strength to fight Mengsk on Korhal. A bunch of brood mothers and their leviathans were parked in orbit. And why wouldn't they be? The notion that Mengsk, after withstanding an invasion in the last game and losing half his fleet, after being beaten at least 3 times during Brood War, is anything but a fly compared Kerrigan is laughable. Hell, we did the same thing in BW only in one mission, not three. This entire story literally did not need to be told.


Mystaff Four: Stated to be a hub of military production

Here's another hub of production for you: http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/55000/55167/earth_lights_lrg.jpg

People don't deserve to die for being born into a corrupt government and defending themselves from space-monsters who have done nothing but destroy worlds. And the people living on these production worlds are no more than factory workers.

Given her freak out and the end of mission 3, and her "There's something dark in me" when she tries to radio jim, she wasn't entirely set on vengeance.

She tells you that she's set on vengeance in the very first mission, and Raynor himself tries to talk her out of it. Did you not play that part of the game? Maybe your copy is bugged.

She only goes on the fucking warpath after the same asshole who wrecked her life the first time attacks her and (as far as she knows) has the one person who truly tried to help her leave the path of violence and cared for her as a human rather than as a weapon executed BEFORE GLOATING ABOUT IT ON EVERY SINGLE TV WHILE SMARMILY PROCLAIMING THAT HE IS UNBEATABLE!!!!! Given the circumstances, her actions were understandable. Not logical or rational, but entirely understandable.

I understand why she took control of zerg and went on the warpath, but she destroyed a bunch of worlds and killed a bunch of people that she didn't have to. The fact that you're using a fraction of your swarm on Korhal is proof of this. The fact that you think "civilians die in war all the time" justifies her actions is disgusting.

b.) even at her worst her actions are far less horrendous than as the queen of blades

....yet still comparable to some of modern history's worst mass murderers such as Stalin & Hitler. When she was the Queen of Blades, she had the excuse of being infested. Now her character is just contradictory & nonsensical. The writers wanted her to be "good" and "sympathetic" but they also wanted a "destroyer of worlds" arc that any decent zerg campaign deserves.

Are you completely ignoring when the protoss commander exclaims "The Queen of blades? But you are so weak....and human. We must contact shakuras and they will send the golden armada to wipe you out. And keep in mind that neither side has drawn blood yet. That and the fact that in mission 5 they are actively trying to send escape squads through shuttles, or the big ass ship? The mere fact that they went through that much effort to make contact implied that other protoss weren't aware of the deinfestation part.

Too bad that you can still come to Kal'Dir as the primal queen of blades, in which case they do nothing different and hunt you anyway. In fact, they could have done the same exact thing in Wings of Liberty when Kerrigan was alone on Ulaan. What you've got is confirmation bias, not evidence. Artanis is not going to launch some giant man-hunt all over the sector because they saw Kerrigan who is gone now. She could have just left.

Don't even get me started on the absurdity of the Kal'Dir missions. The idea that they had to send ridiculously-slow shuttles to the opposite side of the map instead of sending of a phoenix or cloaked observer, or sending anything else through any of their gateways & stargates (which themselvess are warp conduit to Shakuras), is just beyond stupid and a total mangling of the lore. It's amazing that the most powerful race in the galaxy fails at sending a simple transmission.

So yeah she did have a reason to keep it secret. It's not the writers fault that you weren't able to percieve something that was blatantly obvious.

Yeah, me along with Blizzard's short story writers:

Cold Symmetry
Teredal had adjusted to new alien tactics when the upstart human Kerrigan had taken control of the Swarm, and he remembered the sick aftertaste of youngling terran strategies woven through the old zerg patterns like mold on fossilized bone. More recently, Teredal had adapted to the madness of the zerg deprived of their bastard queen—a chaos of claws and hungry rage that made the previous engagements seem tame.


Fact is, nobody but you honestly believes that the protoss are such morons that they aren't keeping tabs on the zerg's leader.

Of course you're going to stick your head up your ass, your fingers in your ears and go "la la la you are saying something and I'm not listening la la la!"

Tell me, what's it like having zero evidence for your position, to operate only on misguided devotion to Blizzard's writers?
StarCraft: Subjection: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410514
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
June 25 2013 15:31 GMT
#1202
Hm after having seen this interview with Metzen, saying that they more focused on gameplay of the missions and build story around them more, rather than making it more complex, I would say they began doing it wrong.

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Cirqueenflex
Profile Joined October 2010
499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-21 23:12:12
July 21 2013 23:11 GMT
#1203
just replaying the Sc1 + BW campaign (for like the tenth time), plus both SC2 campaigns for the third time (I like campaigns ). Here is what bugs me a lot (put it into spoilers, as a part of it might be salvaged for LotV):
+ Show Spoiler +

in the fifth Zerg mission of the BW campaign, "True Colors", Kerrigan feels like both Fenix (the awesome very honorable Protoss guy) and Duke (a Terran guy that seems less important) have served their purpose in helping her, so she backstabbs and kills both of them, shortly after allying herself with them.
Rainor tells her that she went too far on her Quest for Power, and that he will be the one killing her in the end. He really is pissed about what she did, and he has decided to end her, not make sweet love.

Now, fast forward to the SC2 campaign. Suddenly they are all romantic and cuddly. He is like "yeah you have backstabbed your allies multiple times, and killed millions and millions of innocent people, and I swore to kill you, but here, I'll help you some more". And she is all like "yeah for many years I just wanted Power and to dominate the universe and that Mensk should live to watch his downfall and my dominance over the universe (again, see ingame mission dialogue of mentioned scenario). Now I suddenly don't really care for power, but I really want to kill Mensk. Go on a revenge rampage to kill the guy I wanted to let live to see my dominance."

*sigh*
Give a man a fire, you keep him warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and you keep him warm for the rest of his life.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
July 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#1204
Cirqueenflex
Jum Raynor "killed" Queen of Blades with Artifact. Now he got beloved Sarah Kerrigan, different person with different mindset and soul
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