On April 27 2013 01:10 Canucklehead wrote: I wish supply was on the top right. It's getting to the point where I don't mind if tournaments start dropping gameheart for that very reason. I like a lot of things about gameheart, but changing the fundamental way we've been watching sc is just wrong and not better. It's different for the sake of being different and I don't see any benefit to it being on the bottom.
I think it's easy to get used to after a couple hours of watching. Is this your first experience with the gameheart interface?
GSTL was the first time I've seen it and I still don't like supply at the bottom. As the person above pointed out, we've always played and watched sc with the supply in the top right. It's reinventing the wheel when it didn't need to be touched.
However, he said he will open up the program to allow more customization, so hopefully all tourneys will put the supply back in the top right when that happens. Until then, I just have to put up with it, but I don't like it and never will like supply at the bottom.
On April 27 2013 19:02 Grend wrote: I really hope this becomes standard. It is borderline painful to watch NASL stream on Dreamhack, loving the gameheart so much!
The supply down middle was annoying for 15 minutes, now I really like it. It makes sense and looks great out of the way.
Yeah can't agree more. It's a huge leap forward. The supply at the bottom is weird at first but once you get used to it it's better as its out of the way and maximises viewing area.
Looking top right for supply to bottom left minimap is part of the challenge playing but its nice to not have to when viewing. Blizard would be insane to not take this in-house.
Suggestion: Not sure whether or not this can be done in the editor, make the standard Enter-chat into all instead of allies. Most players type enter gg enter since they are used to playing normal 1v1 where "all" chat is the standard for chat.
On April 28 2013 00:26 Grovbolle wrote: Suggestion: Not sure whether or not this can be done in the editor, make the standard Enter-chat into all instead of allies. Most players type enter gg enter since they are used to playing normal 1v1 where "all" chat is the standard for chat.
I have tried to find a way but all of the solutions are messy. I know it's a problem but I think the solutions are worse. Right now observers can see the chat even when they don't press shift and that is the most important thing.
Hopefully Blizzard will give us a way to do this in the future.
A simple thing I see with the GAmeheart, since dreamhack is keeping the production tab static there, and showing the rest in the lower right corner, could be nice to remove the production tab text, since we all know already what it is.
On April 27 2013 19:02 Grend wrote: I really hope this becomes standard. It is borderline painful to watch NASL stream on Dreamhack, loving the gameheart so much!
The supply down middle was annoying for 15 minutes, now I really like it. It makes sense and looks great out of the way.
Yeah can't agree more. It's a huge leap forward. The supply at the bottom is weird at first but once you get used to it it's better as its out of the way and maximises viewing area.
Looking top right for supply to bottom left minimap is part of the challenge playing but its nice to not have to when viewing. Blizard would be insane to not take this in-house.
Yeah, agreed.
The supply at the bottom middle seems weird but it has not only the supply but everything too (worker count, upgrades, income, etc).
So instead of having to look at top right (supply), top left (production tab), bottom for map and interface, now you just have you look at top left or bottom mid.
Maybe just bottom mid (since upgrades and everything display on the structures, most of the time I notice it on the structures before the production tab now).
On April 27 2013 01:10 Canucklehead wrote: I wish supply was on the top right. It's getting to the point where I don't mind if tournaments start dropping gameheart for that very reason. I like a lot of things about gameheart, but changing the fundamental way we've been watching sc is just wrong and not better. It's different for the sake of being different and I don't see any benefit to it being on the bottom.
I think it's easy to get used to after a couple hours of watching. Is this your first experience with the gameheart interface?
GSTL was the first time I've seen it and I still don't like supply at the bottom. As the person above pointed out, we've always played and watched sc with the supply in the top right. It's reinventing the wheel when it didn't need to be touched.
However, he said he will open up the program to allow more customization, so hopefully all tourneys will put the supply back in the top right when that happens. Until then, I just have to put up with it, but I don't like it and never will like supply at the bottom.
You're the type of poster where i read what you've posted, then shake my head. Let me point out the crucial part to my face palm....
"Until then, I just have to put up with it, but I don't like it and never will like supply at the bottom."
That type of attitude is horrible. You're NEVER going to like it? I know you don't mean that, but to word it that way makes you look stupid. The fact that you have expressed that you will never accept this as a new favorite for watching SC2 is the definition of stupidity - you are refusing to acknowledge that your mind may ever be changed, and refusing to ever change your mind. That type of attitude is what creates supremacists. No way is better than your way or the original way, right?
Anyway, GameHeart looks amazing. I think the supply, mineral/gas count and worker count in the bottom makes MORE sense, seeing how all that was down there was a lot of wasted space. Moving the unit counts to the right and supply/gas to the bottom creates more space in the top for not just the production tab, but gives tournaments more space for using their custom interfaces. Although, neither DH or GSL have taken advantage of this. Though if they are going to do that, they might as well keep it at the bottom
@Hoby, maybe you should also accuse him of being a nazi. And eating babies.
I agree with him myself. I watched quite a bit GameHeart casts, so yeah maybe in the future I change my opinion, but this is not just getting used to for me: the supply in the center bottom is really confusing when you always look at the right top. That is simply where blizzard placed that information for the players, so everyone is used to having it there. So imo it would be way better if it stayed there.
On April 28 2013 05:27 Sissors wrote: @Hoby, maybe you should also accuse him of being a nazi. And eating babies.
I agree with him myself. I watched quite a bit GameHeart casts, so yeah maybe in the future I change my opinion, but this is not just getting used to for me: the supply in the center bottom is really confusing when you always look at the right top. That is simply where blizzard placed that information for the players, so everyone is used to having it there. So imo it would be way better if it stayed there.
Nice response? haha. I have no idea where you got that from... I'm simply saying that type of mindset is poison regardless of who you are.
And your response is as bad as his is. You're saying that because tradition dictates it goes there, it should always be there. If more people like you existed in the world, we would still be using rocks to kill animals.
Seriously? Any other completely ridiculous claims to make? Maybe I am also responsible for every kitten that dies?
I am not saying that because of tradition it should stay there, I am saying that is should stay there because in everything else it is also there. And no thats not the same as tradition, tradition would be that you should do it there because it was always done there in the past. But it isn't just done there in the past, also right now everytime you launch an SC2 game it is at the right top.
I think it´s just very different for people who play much and have it in their blood to look top-right and just watchers like me who don´t have that habbit. So it was quite easy to get used to the bottom-mid food count. Perhaps that´s the difference between you people and nothing to get upset about ^^ Just watch DH final and enjoy!
On April 28 2013 05:49 Sissors wrote: Seriously? Any other completely ridiculous claims to make? Maybe I am also responsible for every kitten that dies?
I am not saying that because of tradition it should stay there, I am saying that is should stay there because in everything else it is also there. And no thats not the same as tradition, tradition would be that you should do it there because it was always done there in the past. But it isn't just done there in the past, also right now everytime you launch an SC2 game it is at the right top.
On April 28 2013 05:27 Sissors wrote: @Hoby, maybe you should also accuse him of being a nazi. And eating babies.
I agree with him myself. I watched quite a bit GameHeart casts, so yeah maybe in the future I change my opinion, but this is not just getting used to for me: the supply in the center bottom is really confusing when you always look at the right top. That is simply where blizzard placed that information for the players, so everyone is used to having it there. So imo it would be way better if it stayed there.
Tell me how that is not a tradition argument? Blizzard put it there, it's always been there, so it should always be there. That's a tradition argument. You are saying that because something has been a certain way, and now you're use to it, it should always be that way. You can call it whatever you want, but what you're saying is that because it was created that way, has been that way for 10+ years, it should stay that way no matter what. I'm confused how you can translate what you've said as anything but "Well, it's always been this way, and it's this way when you play, so it should be that way when you're watching."
EVEN IF your argument only consisted of "Well, i'm a player, and that's where I see it" IT'S STILL A TRAIDTION ARGUMENT. Just because you prefer there as a player doesn't mean you should prefer there as a viewer. In fact, it has multiple advantages to the viewer, especially those who are new to the game. It's not like a new palyer is going to be absolutely fucking confused when they see the supply is in a different spot. They'll probably understand once they see what's currently taking up all that fucking space in the player UI (which is WAY worse in so many aspects...)
On April 28 2013 05:53 Hondelul wrote: I think it´s just very different for people who play much and have it in their blood to look top-right and just watchers like me who don´t have that habbit. So it was quite easy to get used to the bottom-mid food count. Perhaps that´s the difference between you people and nothing to get upset about ^^ Just watch DH final and enjoy!
I'm not upset, but I'm not going to let someone use an argument that makes literally no sense. I don't even care that much about the interface, though I think GameHeart has it right for spectating. I just hate seeing people make stupid conclusions based on the fact that it's "always been that way."
On April 27 2013 01:10 Canucklehead wrote: I wish supply was on the top right. It's getting to the point where I don't mind if tournaments start dropping gameheart for that very reason. I like a lot of things about gameheart, but changing the fundamental way we've been watching sc is just wrong and not better. It's different for the sake of being different and I don't see any benefit to it being on the bottom.
I think it's easy to get used to after a couple hours of watching. Is this your first experience with the gameheart interface?
GSTL was the first time I've seen it and I still don't like supply at the bottom. As the person above pointed out, we've always played and watched sc with the supply in the top right. It's reinventing the wheel when it didn't need to be touched.
However, he said he will open up the program to allow more customization, so hopefully all tourneys will put the supply back in the top right when that happens. Until then, I just have to put up with it, but I don't like it and never will like supply at the bottom.
Tell me how that is not a tradition argument? Blizzard put it there, it's always been there, so it should always be there. That's a tradition argument. You are saying that because something has been a certain way, and now you're use to it, it should always be that way. You can call it whatever you want, but what you're saying is that because it was created that way, has been that way for 10+ years, it should stay that way no matter what. I'm confused how you can translate what you've said as anything but "Well, it's always been this way, and it's this way when you play, so it should be that way when you're watching."
You should not translate it to anything else than that, however that isn't tradition. It isn't because it was done in the past, but because it is still being done that way and will regardless of what gameheart decides be done that way in the nearby future for the majority of SC2. That isn't tradition, that is simply doing what everyone else is doing, and with a good reason: people are used to it, so it is more convenient.
Tell me how that is not a tradition argument? Blizzard put it there, it's always been there, so it should always be there. That's a tradition argument. You are saying that because something has been a certain way, and now you're use to it, it should always be that way. You can call it whatever you want, but what you're saying is that because it was created that way, has been that way for 10+ years, it should stay that way no matter what. I'm confused how you can translate what you've said as anything but "Well, it's always been this way, and it's this way when you play, so it should be that way when you're watching."
You should not translate it to anything else than that, however that isn't tradition. It isn't because it was done in the past, but because it is still being done that way and will regardless of what gameheart decides be done that way in the nearby future for the majority of SC2. That isn't tradition, that is simply doing what everyone else is doing, and with a good reason: people are used to it, so it is more convenient.
Alright dude, I'm going to make this simple. You're saying that both because it's been that way (which you keep saying though you deny it, then reiterate that same argument) and that because the majority of people have seen it that way, it's suddenly more convenient? You don't even know if that's true or not. Three logical fallacies are propping your argument up right now.
Edit: Nvm, not going to be baited by him any further. I made my reasons clear for preferring it in the right top, hopefully it is changed, but i'll survive either way.
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