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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Serpico
4285 Posts
LOTV has far too much content to cover for it to be even decent. Either they rush through all the plot threads sloppily or pick one thing and go with it. ignoring the rest. There isn't enough room in twenty missions for enough exposition/development/progress or whatever to make things feel paced appropriately with how much is left on the table unfinished. I feel like SC 3 is there for the rest. I wish I didn't have to say I'm glad I didn't buy it, but I am. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:28 Serpico wrote: + Show Spoiler + LOTV has far too much content to cover for it to be even decent. Either they rush through all the plot threads sloppily or pick one thing and go with it. ignoring the rest. There isn't enough room in twenty missions for enough exposition/development/progress or whatever to make things feel paced appropriately with how much is left on the table unfinished. I feel like SC 3 is there for the rest. I wish I didn't have to say I'm glad I didn't buy it, but I am. Glad you didn't buy what? HOTS? + Show Spoiler + I don't think they'll leave a lot of loose ends for SC III - of course they won't end the story completely, I think Starcraft is a very popular franchise and it's in their best interest to leave a way for them to revisit it, but I would be surprised if they didn't wrap up 90% of the existing story in LOTV. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:22 Salv wrote: + Show Spoiler + I don't know what kind of story people wanted. Is this a better story: Jim rescues Kerrigan and turns her back into a human, but he doesn't want anything to do with her. Both Kerrigan and Jim spend zero time together on the Hyperion and Kerrigan goes to seek more power so she can kill Mengsk. Kerrigan becomes reinfested and Jim doesn't care. Kerrigan kills Mengsk, Jim is happy Mengsk is dead, but doesn't really care. Kerrigan prepares the swarm for the Xel'Naga God. Of course there was going to be a love story between the two of them, I would have been upset if there wasn't. What kind of love story would have been better? I think love stories are almost always going to be cheesy and corny, it's more or less inherent to that type of story. Brood War was a different scenario because it dealt with material that I feel was rather easy to craft. I think creating a love/redemption story in Starcraft II is far more difficult than creating a betrayal/revenge story - so I don't really compare the two in that way. Yes, that was my 8/10, I enjoyed it. I ask anyone who is upset with the story/ending - what do YOU think would have been better? Give an example. I haven't played HoTS yet, but from the sound of things you'd have to change most of WoL's story line in order to make this story better. That's kind of the problem, they went for a cheesy love plot from the very start. WoL really only left a few places for HoTS to go, unless they focused more on the Protoss/Duran, and it sounds like they didn't. Again, I haven't played yet, but from hearing about the story so far, is there any situation where the Protoss (Artanis/Selendis) try to destroy Kerrigan and Raynor has to save her? That would lead to some really interesting character development. Raynor has to betray the people he was friends with in order to avoid fulfilling the prophecy. It'd also reveal that Zeratul trusts Raynor more than his own people with the prophecy. It'd also further develop Artanis or Selendis or whoever. (This is going with the framework they provided in WoL) I'm just coming up with this off the top of my head. If they don't present situations like this where it gives characters for all 3 races to develop they're going to have real trouble in LotV then, cause Protoss got barely any love in WoL (basically just a faceless enemy in the way of objectives). | ||
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Xerxes Wrath
48 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:59 Swords wrote: I haven't played HoTS yet, but from the sound of things you'd have to change most of WoL's story line in order to make this story better. That's kind of the problem, they went for a cheesy love plot from the very start. WoL really only left a few places for HoTS to go, unless they focused more on the Protoss/Duran, and it sounds like they didn't. Again, I haven't played yet, but from hearing about the story so far, is there any situation where the Protoss (Artanis/Selendis) try to destroy Kerrigan and Raynor has to save her? That would lead to some really interesting character development. Raynor has to betray the people he was friends with in order to avoid fulfilling the prophecy. It'd also reveal that Zeratul trusts Raynor more than his own people with the prophecy. It'd also further develop Artanis or Selendis or whoever. (This is going with the framework they provided in WoL) I'm just coming up with this off the top of my head. If they don't present situations like this where it gives characters for all 3 races to develop they're going to have real trouble in LotV then, cause Protoss got barely any love in WoL (basically just a faceless enemy in the way of objectives). TLDR: We need more protoss. Seriously. The lack of protoss is beyond stupid and disappointing | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
was the ending "sampled" from star wars? electricity torturing our main hero, then I swear the line mengsk says is the exact same as Darth Sidious: something something something... "and now, you will die" about to electricute her more, then raynor (vader) comes and saves her (luke) from the emperor (the emperor) anyone else see this? | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
I don't think it's completely surprising that Blizzard has gone downhill in terms of story telling but at the same time it's only worth bringing how atrocious HOTS is in delving into a mediocre sci-fi space love affair between Jim and Kerrigan because the original Starcraft and Brood War had a sense of a vision. Perhaps the most baffling thing is that Chris had the blueprint in creating a half decent story lay out in front of him. Yeah, you can say that the original Starcraft wasn't original either but it was at the very least memorable. Kerrigan as a character and character relationships turning sour, to the point where Infested Kerrigan plotted against the Celebrate was all done well, especially for a video game story. In fact Kerrigan as a whole throughout Brood War was portrayed as "being the biggest bitch in the universe" and the story nailed her character to being a hallmark of a great villian in videogames. HOTS goes about as opposite of a direction in how Kerrigan develops as possible and trying to force you to feel sympathetic for her cause. Hello Blizzard? Remember that JIMMY SWORE ON HIS NAME THAT HE WOULD BE THE ONE TO KILL KERRIGAN AFTER MURDERING FENIX? It's here that Metzen had a realization to completely TARNISH and betray the notion of Kerrigan as a character when she makes out with Jim Raynor in HOTS. This character ISN'T supposed to be a noble heroin with a sense of self sacrifice. Even the story justification at the end of WoL, using voodoo magic to restore her urghh. I'm in rage, I'll finish this when i calm down. I just finished the game and I'm angry. | ||
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Doomgiver
Portugal59 Posts
On March 12 2013 11:49 Roe wrote: + Show Spoiler + was the ending "sampled" from star wars? electricity torturing our main hero, then I swear the line mengsk says is the exact same as Darth Sidious: something something something... "and now, you will die" about to electricute her more, then raynor (vader) comes and saves her (luke) from the emperor (the emperor) anyone else see this? + Show Spoiler + its similar, but it wasnt stolen from there. its just the leaked ending with other device, this case the xel'naga artifact, and to convey its power they showed the most usual device in stories, lightning. There are similarities between the 2 scenes, but i think it wasnt intentional at all. + Show Spoiler + Some parts of Mengsk dialog in the ending make no sense at all. when he talks about the insurance policy... when the fuck did he make her close to him? the way he says it it seems to indicate that kerrigan was close to him, and that the artifact was an insurance policy to be used if she rebelled. this makes no sense because the artifact is the artifact from the end of WOL (i guess). the dialog actually works with the leaked ending, where other device was implanted in her while she was a ghost, before SC1, device which mengsk triggers in the ending of HOTS. | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
Watching this.. i must ask myself... "did blizzard even play sc1?" | ||
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Qwyn
United States2781 Posts
1. Reboots the whole franchise in a more serious vein... 2. Lacks a singleplayer component completely. It's a sad thing, but at the end of an SC2 campaign I feel sick to my stomach because of a horrid mix of shitty writing combined with some somewhat great moments that leaves me dissatisfied... In the beginning of the campaign, I was actually beginning to believe that Tricia Helfer was a somewhat competent voice actress. As far as LOTV goes, I'm just waiting for all the multiplayer changes. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 12 2013 10:28 Serpico wrote: + Show Spoiler + LOTV has far too much content to cover for it to be even decent. Either they rush through all the plot threads sloppily or pick one thing and go with it. ignoring the rest. There isn't enough room in twenty missions for enough exposition/development/progress or whatever to make things feel paced appropriately with how much is left on the table unfinished. I feel like SC 3 is there for the rest. I wish I didn't have to say I'm glad I didn't buy it, but I am. Well regarding SC3.... + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure Stukov was there to give them a nice tie in for SC3 - notice how he was so hung up on Earth and Kerrigan tells him that "Earth will be back". That's sequel setup in my eyes. And tbh, I would welcome Earth coming back - at least its not a xelnaga god rofl | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On March 12 2013 12:07 phodacbiet wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCcnd1WJVCo Watching this.. i must ask myself... "did blizzard even play sc1?" Did you play Hots ? Raynor does mention Fenix when talking to Kerrigan. He's angry at the Queen of Blade, not Sara. | ||
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Unthaww
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Early on when Raynor is caught by Nova in mine she said "I might have let you go but for that whole Tosh thing" If I instead sided with Nova does it change this? Or is it predecided in HotS that you helped Tosh? | ||
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DarthYAM
19 Posts
If anything, Wol had character development (raynor facing the ghosts of his past, Zeratul learning how much was at stake) If anything, Heart of the Swarm is SUPERIOR to brood war. The stakes are higher, Kerrigan is actually three dimensional rather than snively whiplash, the losses occur other than for being grim dark for the sake of it, and a faction that has at least some buildup rather than nowhere. For those whinning about the oath......Grow up you fucking crybabies. User was warned for this post | ||
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On March 12 2013 17:13 Slaughter wrote: Quick question regarding the "choices" you made in WoL + Show Spoiler + Early on when Raynor is caught by Nova in mine she said "I might have let you go but for that whole Tosh thing" If I instead sided with Nova does it change this? Or is it predecided in HotS that you helped Tosh? IIRC in one of the panels they said the "choices" with tosh and ariel would be retconned so that you always sided with tosh/ariel. But as I sided with tosh I don't know if they kept true to that. | ||
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Masemium
Netherlands33 Posts
I saw some HotS achievement named "True purpose of Xel'naga artifact" or something to that effect. Since I was deeply dissapointed in the WoL campaign since most of it amounted to a quest hunt for this macguffin that could conveniently cure our main badgirl of her evil ways, I am somewhat interested in what this "true purpose" could be. Did any of you find this out yet ? :- P | ||
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On March 12 2013 21:12 Masemium wrote: As I have no interest in picking up HotS, I'll just ask it here: I saw some HotS achievement named "True purpose of Xel'naga artifact" or something to that effect. Since I was deeply dissapointed in the WoL campaign since most of it amounted to a quest hunt for this macguffin that could conveniently cure our main badgirl of her evil ways, I am somewhat interested in what this "true purpose" could be. Did any of you find this out yet ? :- P + Show Spoiler + The xel'naga artifact stripped Kerrigan's powers and used them to resurrect the dark voice, who is now apparently a xel'naga god named amon | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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PureLuckz
United States137 Posts
Somewhere along the lines they decided that people only liked her because of her ass and then threw in a very cheesy romance plot. The worst part was that they destroyed Raynor's character as well just to get romance into the game. Were they that afraid that no one wants to play the villain in a 3 faction game? Did they not notice how popular Kerrigan got while she was the cruel villain? Did they really have to do all that to the story just to force this cheesy romance plot on us? At the end of the day it's their story, but wow did they drop the ball on it. | ||
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