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[Story spoilers!!] Heart of the HOTS - Page 11

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paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-10 13:16:13
March 10 2013 13:15 GMT
#201
On February 28 2013 00:52 Denda Reloaded wrote:
[image loading]

@Existor maybe something to support your theory

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh Arcturus, this isn't #vengeance, this is justice #lol


Oh god.

Now that we know the leaked ending is real, we have absolute proof that Blizzard writers are amateurs. As you've pointed out, the ending cinematic contains some of the the cheesiest dialogue ever written. It's just awful. High school students could do better.
Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
March 10 2013 13:21 GMT
#202
On March 10 2013 22:15 paralleluniverse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 00:52 Denda Reloaded wrote:
[image loading]

@Existor maybe something to support your theory

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh Arcturus, this isn't #vengeance, this is justice #lol


Oh god.

Now that we know the leaked ending is real, we have absolute proof that Blizzard writers are amateurs. As you've pointed out, the ending cinematic contains some of the the cheesiest dialogue ever written. It's just awful. High school students could do better.


Would not surprise me if Christ Metzen is laughing with his friends about the fact that he still is getting paid.
Set it ablaze!
BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
March 10 2013 13:51 GMT
#203
what's the deal with the part 2/2 spoiler..the last 5 minutes someone dictate the whole story in still image?
Big Red Dog!
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
March 10 2013 13:52 GMT
#204
On March 10 2013 22:51 BigRedDog wrote:
what's the deal with the part 2/2 spoiler..the last 5 minutes someone dictate the whole story in still image?

Sumamrized developer commentaries.WoL Collector's Edition had it too
cpuser999
Profile Joined September 2012
United States8 Posts
March 11 2013 09:02 GMT
#205
Does anyone know what that portrait is on the Collectors Ed and BlizzCon Portraits the third row the 2nd one in? The HOTS ones are the last three and prior to those are from WoW i think. But its someone in some kind of marine suit. What is that from and how do you get it?
Csong
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada396 Posts
March 11 2013 09:10 GMT
#206
I want the purple lion portrait t.t
nukeazerg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States168 Posts
March 11 2013 09:39 GMT
#207
So what is the protoss story in this one. What is Kerrigan going to the void to do.
Xerxes Wrath
Profile Joined September 2012
48 Posts
March 11 2013 12:09 GMT
#208
The lack of protoss in cinematics is disgusting and disappointing
Throw away those useless emotions of yours, I'll teach you how to use everything, everyone
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
March 11 2013 13:35 GMT
#209
Rofl to think the leaked ending from 2010 was real... Cinematics as always breathtaking, but the writing... not so much
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
March 11 2013 13:41 GMT
#210
okay singleplayer first impressions


+ Show Spoiler +
SARAAAH!? SARAH? ...Sarah!


I have a feeling this is gonna be just as bad as wol's story...
smitrovic
Profile Joined November 2012
Serbia21 Posts
March 11 2013 15:58 GMT
#211
33 Minutes of the video - fucking short movie for Oscar!!! Don't watch it, if you don't want to spoil game story!


+ Show Spoiler +
AdriaCraft Fansite
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 16:56:56
March 11 2013 16:52 GMT
#212
watching the cinematics now... glad i didnt buy the expansion. they are raping the sc lore so hard. they turned the whole story into twilight. ffs.
deo.deo
Profile Joined April 2010
135 Posts
March 11 2013 16:56 GMT
#213
the cheese the cheese.... They have a great art/cinematic department but their writing is just horrid.
Glad I didn't pre-order
Giriath
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden2412 Posts
March 11 2013 17:21 GMT
#214
Cheesiest love story ever?
Education should be our seniors guiding us to be "who" we want to be, not "what" we want to be.
DarthYAM
Profile Joined December 2010
19 Posts
March 11 2013 17:40 GMT
#215
Honestly, this whole "raped the lore" is bullshit.

Kerrigan was far more compelling than she was in Brood War. Given that Jim was the only person who ever believed in her, and viewed her as a person rather than as a weapon, it's only natural that she care for him a great deal. And even though she was in vengeance mode she still showed a higher degree of honor and integrity (after Warfield points out that Raynor would be disgusted with her now, she kills him, but still realizes that he's right, and therefore spares the soldiers trying to evacuate).

The confrontation on the Prison ship was also a good scene for several reasons

1.) It actually acknowledged Fenix's death, as well as her other crimes, and Raynor's vow to kill her.
2.) Raynor's reasons for being angry are legitimate; he went through hell to deinfest Kerrigan, and now she's done it willingly. As far as he knows, she's willingly rebecome the monster that has caused so much grief. The scene where Kerrigan lets Raynor hold a gun to her head was a far better way of showing that "raynor will have his life in her hands". If she died in the alternate timeline because of Raynor it makes for a real tragedy. Their parting (raynor telling her we're done) wasn't too cheesy.

The resolution is also pretty good. Kerrigan is the Queen of Blades, but she's not a bloodthirsty psychopath like she was in Brood War. And while she and Jim will never be able to have a future together they still part under fairly amicable terms (certainly better than the last time they parted on korhal). I also loved that she has come to terms with her situation and accepted it. She's finally come to terms with her life and found some measure of peace after years of suffering. There's also hope for a new beginning now that Mengsk is defeated
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
March 11 2013 17:45 GMT
#216
Kerrigan was far more compelling than she was in Brood War. Given that Jim was the only person who ever believed in her, and viewed her as a person rather than as a weapon, it's only natural that she care for him a great deal. And even though she was in vengeance mode she still showed a higher degree of honor and integrity (after Warfield points out that Raynor would be disgusted with her now, she kills him, but still realizes that he's right, and therefore spares the soldiers trying to evacuate).

In Brood War we had Queen of Blades, not Sarah Kerrigan
DarthYAM
Profile Joined December 2010
19 Posts
March 11 2013 19:05 GMT
#217
I think one of the Q&A's confirmed that the Queen of Blades essentially was Kerrigan, only with all morality stripped away and a fuckton of power to get back at those who wronged her. The artifact shattered the conditioning enough for her humanity to resurface (choosing to be reinfested helped deal with a lot of the anger she felt, since in brood war she was lashing out to deal with her pain and rage, and no restraints meant she could go hog wild.) And it doesn't end on a purely happy note. Kerrigan may have come to terms with her life, but she's had to sacrifice most of the things she's held dear in order to do so.

In any case, it's shaping up to be a showdown between her and Amon.
Unthaww
Profile Joined March 2013
3 Posts
March 11 2013 19:20 GMT
#218
There is a marine portrait in between the Orc and diablo, I know its a reddem code from bwc in china. Is it avail in us?
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 19:27:44
March 11 2013 19:26 GMT
#219
For the cinematics, that was a capital C in corny. Somehow, I liked most of it. Although the + Show Spoiler +
Duran/Narud fight disappointed me a metric ton...all talk and no bite. What a lame way for "the greatest intellegent/manipulative shape-shifter" to go.
I post only when my brain works.
Warlock40
Profile Joined September 2011
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-11 19:48:57
March 11 2013 19:39 GMT
#220
And even though she was in vengeance mode she still showed a higher degree of honor and integrity (after Warfield points out that Raynor would be disgusted with her now, she kills him, but still realizes that he's right, and therefore spares the soldiers trying to evacuate).


Uh that's so BS it's not even funny. Let's forget all of Kerrigan's past crimes against both the Terrans and the Protoss. In this expansion's storyline, she takes over Dominion world after Dominion world - we're talking about entire planets here. This was what she was doing in WoL before she was "saved", and now she's doing it again? What a joke. Taking over entire planets means hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people dying. Sparing three dropships of troops does not even come close to excusing her crimes. Not to mention her killing Warfield, the general who helped unite her with Raynor in the first place, and also the only Terran known to have punched a hydralisk in the face and succeeded.

1.) It actually acknowledged Fenix's death, as well as her other crimes, and Raynor's vow to kill her.


I feel like they only threw that in to address the gaping plot hole of Raynor going from vowing to be the man to kill Kerrigan in BW to suddenly being the "only one who never gave up on" her in WoL. And it didn't even address the plot hole very well. Raynor acknowledged the fact that she killed his best friend as well as millions of people, but then he lets it go and walks away. What a joke.

The storyline of the original SC and BW was compelling because its theme: "the only allies are enemies". The only real "good guy" was Raynor, who's supposed to be the everyman, and his small group of misfits, trying to survive day to day in a galaxy full of superpowers - Earth, Korhal, the Swarm, even the Protoss, all with their own interests, and none of whom could be trusted. SC:BW was all about the power struggle between these great factions (and within individual factions themselves) and the role that an average joe backwater marshal could play in such an epic struggle.

Suddenly, WoL comes around 4 years after the events of SC:BW, Raynor suddenly has a gigantic army / starfleet, he's forgotten about his hatred of Kerrigan and redirected it against Mengsk despite the fact that the last time they encountered each other, they were on the same side when they both got double crossed by Kerrigan. Kerrigan decides to go on the war path against the Dominion, which is fine because it's consistent with the BW ending in which she said she would give Mengsk a little break before going after him, but then somehow she loses the battle on Char to half the Dominion starfleet when, just four years ago, when the entire Dominion starfleet, as well as another starfleet from Earth and the Protoss fleet couldn't even make it through the atmosphere of Char before they were destroyed. What?

So Kerrigan gets "saved" (while Tychus gets shot, I don't want to digress too much but this was so wrong, considering how much Tychus had done for Raynor in the past), allowing her to..... pretty much just go back to doing what she did before. Yeah, I get that this is supposed to be one of the plot points of HotS, this internal struggle between good and evil, but it's a crappy plot point. How many times can someone turn to the dark side before we stop caring?

Oh, and did she ever figure out that Narud was the same Duran that betrayed her four years ago? That would be a plot point I would like to see addressed, perhaps in the next expansion.

I think one of the Q&A's confirmed that the Queen of Blades essentially was Kerrigan, only with all morality stripped away


That's rubbish, she was completely conscious of what she was doing while she was Queen of Blades 1.0. She even took that assumption (that she was being influenced by her Zerginess and not being her true self) to lure Raynor and the others to do her bidding, blaming it on the Overmind. They fall for it, hook line and sinker, to the extent that Zeratul fights a civil war against his own Protoss brethren on her behalf (there seems to be this constant pattern of bros betraying bros for her), after which she pretty much just goes "haha thanks for getting rid of my rivals for me, tools" and takes off.

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