• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:16
CEST 04:16
KST 11:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High12Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes192BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Old rep packs of BW legends ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro8 Day 1 [ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why can't Americans stop ea…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1888 users

DarKFoRcE retires - Page 16

Forum Index > SC2 General
343 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
February 11 2013 17:28 GMT
#301
Well, I hope you do well with poker and LoL. It's our loss in any case Best of luck, you'll be missed.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
February 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#302
Good luck in the future Darkforce
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
traderjoe
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany69 Posts
February 11 2013 19:31 GMT
#303
wow darkforce im sad and happy at the same time , i mean it was a great time with you in the sc2 comm u are such a positiv guy and i wish u best of luck and dont forget : OVERLORD BAUEN ! :D hf buddy
Romulox
Profile Joined October 2011
United States125 Posts
February 11 2013 21:02 GMT
#304
Gonna miss cheering for you darkforce but will still be looking forward to some more awesoe videos in the future!! Best of luck with wherever life takes you😃
Wounded31
Profile Joined October 2011
124 Posts
February 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#305
So long darkforce! GL in the future
MKP!
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
February 11 2013 22:11 GMT
#306
Waiting for you to steam since the news that u retired came out . Please steam more.

Sincerely.
a big fan
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 11 2013 23:28 GMT
#307
[B]
-Also I will play more League of Legends, but obviously its hard to break into the Proscene there, so im not going to put
that much hope into getting anywhere there, but you never know what will happen :D

Greetings, DarKFoRcE


sad to see him go, but that line saddened me the most... the fact that he even thought about LoL. Just shows how much pros aren't being appreciated in the SC2 scene.. CMON GUYS CHEER FOR THE FOREIGNERS (especially if they play for your country).
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Peski
Profile Joined June 2012
Denmark51 Posts
February 12 2013 15:13 GMT
#308
So sad, hope he will succed in poker
It's all about rock, man. People who go paper are fucking weak. - Artosis
Zyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands564 Posts
February 12 2013 20:09 GMT
#309
Sad news, but of course all the best to you darkforce!
ret * Leenock * DiMAGA * Grubby * FBH
Bartar
Profile Joined December 2004
Greece83 Posts
February 12 2013 20:29 GMT
#310
he sounds quite cool. gl in future.
Myt
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany318 Posts
February 12 2013 20:40 GMT
#311
So sad news, I wish you the best what ever future steps you take and hope, that you will still be a part of the comunity. I always liked your insights in blogs, videos or show-apperences
GnoM
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway145 Posts
February 12 2013 23:44 GMT
#312
Sad, I liked him.
But good luck in the future DarKFoRcE
Hanna
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany43 Posts
February 13 2013 00:42 GMT
#313
Sad to see you go. I'll miss you. Good luck for the future.

Es ist echt schade, dich gehen zu sehen. Ich werde dich vermissen. Viel Erfolg für die Zukunft!
WCS is like allowing Premier League football teams in the Korean football league... only, the other way around!
katzenman
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany61 Posts
February 13 2013 01:14 GMT
#314
here is an (german) interview with darkforce about his decision.
maybe someone would like to translate that, its too late for me today ^^

http://www.fragster.de/de/esport/szene/artikel/13/02/sc2-darkforce-interview.html
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-13 10:49:38
February 13 2013 10:07 GMT
#315
On February 13 2013 10:14 katzenman wrote:
here is an (german) interview with darkforce about his decision.
maybe someone would like to translate that, its too late for me today ^^

http://www.fragster.de/de/esport/szene/artikel/13/02/sc2-darkforce-interview.html


Mind you neither English or German are my first language.

Fragster: DarkForce, you recently announced your retirement even though Alternate offered to resign you. Why didn't you extend your contract, considering that in some sense it's easily earned money.

DarkForce: On one side I simply didn't have the motivation to play SC2 and didn't want the constant pressure of knowing I should practice more. On the other side Alternate has always been fair to me and is one of the few teams in eSports that doesn't try to cheat players.
That's why I thought it would be unfair to Alternate to accept a yearly contract with a salary I shouldn't realistically be receiving.

Fragster: That approach is unusual in the scene. Would you wish for more people to follow your example and carry themselves the same way?

DarkForce: Well, I also think, in general players get the short end of the stick. That's why no one can really blame them when a player does such a thing. It happens far more often that players get screwed over by teams or tournament organizations than the other way around.

Fragster: Does that mean, that for a better eSports payment behavior* needs to change?

DarkForce: Yeah the current payment behavior is definitely a problem. But part of the problem comes from the fact that in eSports, there's not that much money available yet. For relatively small amounts it doesn't pay off for the person that was cheated to hire an attorney. That's why contracts in eSports are often not worth much (except for Top-Players perhaps)**.

Fragster: What do you believe is the solution to these problems?

DarkForce: There is no short term solution in my opinion. In the long term, I believe that the audiences will continue to grow leading sponsors to fuel eSports with more money. This should make eSports as a whole more professional. Probably this won't completely solve the problem, because the management of teams simply has been around in eSports a long time and has a lot of experience with the way eSports currently handles itself. Players on the other hand are often young and handle in good faith***, who simply have to learn at first that promises have 0 value.

Fragster: Let's talk more about you as a person: How much time did you generally invest a week or a month as a pro-gamer?

DarkForce: For a long time I spent 5+ hours a day playing and the rest of the time I watched GSL/VOD/other tournaments. Some time during 2012 I played a lot less because I couldn't stay concentrated for hours on end. But even when I wasn't playing, I was often thinking about SC2 which certainly helped me a lot.

Fragster: Are your parents proud of what you've done?

DarkForce: My father more so than my mother I believe, but in the end they both supported me. My mother was just very skeptical when I paused my studies.

Fragster: Are you going to pick your studies back up?

DarkForce: No, as long as I can make money otherwise, I have little interest in a “normal” job. To that purpose, studying further wouldn't benefit me.

Fragster: You wrote in your facebook post that you want to focus more on LoL and Poker. Is it your goal to make a living with those?

DarkForce: Yeah I think with poker I should be able to make a living. LoL I will continue to play and if I become a good player, I'll attempt to get back into eSports again.

Fragster: Does this mean we'll be able to watch you play “Offline”-events in Las Vegas soon?

DarkForce: No, I've never been a big fan of multi table tournaments and I'm not very good at them. I'll be playing online cash games. Just for fun I would like to go to Las Vegas and while there I'd certainly play some poker.

Fragster: What is the biggest accomplishment of your career?

DarkForce: I think my 2-1 win versus aLive during the NASL finals was my biggest achievement.

Fragster: What is the biggest failure of your career?

DarkForce: Probably the 1-2 loss versus Sen also during the NASL finals. After that I spent 45 minutes signing autographs and then realized I was completely depressed. I went to bed at 7 and slept 12 hours.

Fragster: That I remember well, that was very depressing. Now that you've left the pro-scene, who is the best German pro-gamer?

DarkForce: Does Monchi count as German? Socke, HasuObs and Monchi are the best in general.

Fragster: Will we see you commentate SC2 or LoL in the future?

DarkForce: Well I'd love to cast, but there's two problems. Firstly, I'm not so super famous that everyone would instantly want me. And secondly, I live 5 hours by train from Collogne, so I couldn't even get to the ESL studio to cast with Kaelaris or something. But if anyone reads this and wants me as a caster, I'd welcome the invitation, best sent as a pm on Team Liquid!

Fragster: Do you prefer English or German?

DarkForce: Well I think my English is pretty good, so I don't care either way.

Fragster: You said you might come back into eSports some day with LoL. How does it look for SC2, especially now that HotS will introduce severe changes in SC2-gameplay?

DarkForce: Well, I've played some HotS-beta before I decided to quit SC2 and what I saw didn't really inspire me. Perhaps I'll feel like playing SC2 again in a year and will try to get back into eSports, but for now that's impossible to say.

Fragster: Socke is now the last SC2 player on team Alternate. If you could pick a successor for yourself, who would it be?

DarkForce: Hmm, I can't think of anyone this instant, sorry.

Fragster: Is there already someone in talks?

DarkForce: I don't know, I'm no longer involved.
Fragster: I thank you for your time and effort. Do you have any final words for the community?

DarkForce: Thanks for your support and even now I'm no longer playing, I still plan to make videos for my youtube channel. Other news you can find on my facebook or twitter.


*Zahlungsmoral, refers to the way players are rewarded for their efforts. I believe it's a thinly veiled shot at ESL without stating as much. But that's my own interpretation, maybe DarkForce can explain in more detail. I'm basing it on a recent statement he made on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18dekb/how_riot_and_esl_are_not_paying_tournament_prizes/c8dtn14
**As a player it's important to evaluate any agreement that you sign. For contracts, I'd recommend teams and players base them on the old G7 contracts which are relatively solid compared to some others I've seen.
***Naive perhaps fits better
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
February 13 2013 10:14 GMT
#316
League of Legends !? Really ? ... sigh ...
Best Protoss Player 4 ever - Bisu[Shield] || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=326242 || THIS IS WHERE WE STAND, THIS IS WHERE THEY FALL, GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING ! || SKT FIGHTIIING
Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
February 13 2013 10:30 GMT
#317
The interview doesn`t really give any new informations if you`ve read this thread plus his statement.
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
February 13 2013 10:55 GMT
#318
On February 13 2013 19:30 Irrational_Animal wrote:
The interview doesn`t really give any new informations if you`ve read this thread plus his statement.


Yeah, there were opportunities for some hard hitting questions, but the journalist kind of let them slip by.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
Firlefanz
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany245 Posts
February 13 2013 17:55 GMT
#319
On February 13 2013 19:55 Martijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 19:30 Irrational_Animal wrote:
The interview doesn`t really give any new informations if you`ve read this thread plus his statement.


Yeah, there were opportunities for some hard hitting questions, but the journalist kind of let them slip by.

Just wanted to say, that you did an excellent job translating the interview.
Ajomar
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany20 Posts
February 13 2013 18:13 GMT
#320
glhf darkforce
w0rd!
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 162
RuFF_SC2 141
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 827
Sharp 60
NaDa 21
Noble 6
Icarus 5
Dota 2
capcasts338
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear3
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K40
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor155
Other Games
summit1g10456
JimRising 552
C9.Mang0233
Maynarde155
Mew2King38
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick689
BasetradeTV13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH308
• davetesta37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
7h 44m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
8h 44m
Monday Night Weeklies
13h 44m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 7h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
1d 21h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.