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Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
February 02 2013 23:16 GMT
#81
Give this man a medal!
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
February 02 2013 23:17 GMT
#82
Lol number 27 is kalled barcode killer and 45 is dontlike.
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
leova
Profile Joined April 2011
266 Posts
February 02 2013 23:51 GMT
#83
On February 02 2013 23:34 FineAndDandy wrote:

Blizzard's unique account system made progamers have to do this.

On February 02 2013 23:47 paralleluniverse wrote:
The WoW naming policy disallows gibberish names:
Show nested quote +
Pure Gibberish
This category includes names which:

Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name (e.g. Asdfasdf, Jjxccm, Hvlldrm)

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/naming-policy

The same rule should be applied to SC2, and these accounts with barcode names should be forced to rename.

At this point everything that's needed to maintain your privacy is there. You can set your account to only receive messages and invites from friends, which prevents spam, and you can set the game privacy to hide build orders. So there is no need to have barcode names.



I firmly believe that barcodes are one of the things that are "killing e-sports", as it prevents players from having unique and marketable identities, prevents up-and-comers from making a name by sniping superstars, and makes ladders and standings-boards look stupid.


Unique name systems appear in EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER GAME ON THE PLANET...why can't Starcraft 2 just do things properly? Now you have idiots smurfing other famous names, resulting in potentially dozens of Idras and WhiteRas all over the place....


Barcodes are a joke, and I have ZERO respect for anyone that hides behind one, even for practice purposes. Just man up, play legit, and rely on your superior skills, macro, and micro to win games!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
February 02 2013 23:53 GMT
#84
wait i thought this is how your name look like if you get banned from blizzard. I know this because my friend made an offensive name and thats how his name showed up for some period of time lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
February 03 2013 00:08 GMT
#85
On February 03 2013 08:51 leova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 23:34 FineAndDandy wrote:

Blizzard's unique account system made progamers have to do this.

Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 23:47 paralleluniverse wrote:
The WoW naming policy disallows gibberish names:
Pure Gibberish
This category includes names which:

Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name (e.g. Asdfasdf, Jjxccm, Hvlldrm)

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/naming-policy

The same rule should be applied to SC2, and these accounts with barcode names should be forced to rename.

At this point everything that's needed to maintain your privacy is there. You can set your account to only receive messages and invites from friends, which prevents spam, and you can set the game privacy to hide build orders. So there is no need to have barcode names.



I firmly believe that barcodes are one of the things that are "killing e-sports", as it prevents players from having unique and marketable identities, prevents up-and-comers from making a name by sniping superstars, and makes ladders and standings-boards look stupid.


Unique name systems appear in EVERY OTHER MULTIPLAYER GAME ON THE PLANET...why can't Starcraft 2 just do things properly? Now you have idiots smurfing other famous names, resulting in potentially dozens of Idras and WhiteRas all over the place....


Barcodes are a joke, and I have ZERO respect for anyone that hides behind one, even for practice purposes. Just man up, play legit, and rely on your superior skills, macro, and micro to win games!

I think you wouldn't say that if your income would be depending on qualifiying for GSL or ranking high in it. Most pros can't afford to fly to every tournament on the planet and earn a million dollars. I'm at least happy that pros are still on the ladder and haven't vanished into their training games.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
February 03 2013 00:10 GMT
#86
Personally I think barcoding makes a lot of sense for pros. Wannabes can use it if they wanna but it won't matter that much. We're here to play random opponents on ladder. We can't really pick our enemies so we just have to deal with it.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
crumunch
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States54 Posts
February 03 2013 00:15 GMT
#87
Hey, it's cool that you did out how many different ways you can make the barcode name, but you over complicated the math. It's much easier to say that you have two choices for every character, so there are 2^12 = 4096 ways of doing it.
Come join me in the spiral
-TesteR-
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1165 Posts
February 03 2013 00:19 GMT
#88
I love how any trash terran can easily make top 3. such a broken race.

User was temp banned for this post.
Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
February 03 2013 00:23 GMT
#89
On February 03 2013 00:35 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 23:47 paralleluniverse wrote:
The same rule should be applied to SC2, and these accounts with barcode names should be forced to rename..


Why?
Clearly there is a demand for anonymity.
Instead, blizzard should provide them with a proper way of hiding their ladder games if they want, instead of forcing them to be public. The choice should be with the player.




blizzard did ... create a custom game in Hots! you can pick between: show all // hide buildorder // show nothing at all
Second place is just a fancy term for loser
TJ31
Profile Joined October 2012
630 Posts
February 03 2013 00:28 GMT
#90
Barcodes are fine. Actually I find it better than if we would've had a system with unique IDs. Better it will be barcodes than names such as "Bob23456". People would be using smurf accounts anyway.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 03 2013 00:31 GMT
#91
A lot of people have no idea how frustrating it is to get on ladder as "yourself" and play vs these barcode people who get a free advantage because they "know who you are" while you have no idea who they are.

Having even one piece of information of your opponent's style while the opponent has none is a free advantage in a ladder game.

Which is obviously why everyone had to start doing this once one person did.
Sup
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
February 03 2013 00:39 GMT
#92
Has anyone else been tempted to make an account named 'Barcode'?
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany629 Posts
February 03 2013 00:39 GMT
#93
cheers avilo

gotta say i kinda like the idea of a couple hundreds of bobXXXXX, where X represents a number from 0-9. that would atleast give you a chance.
Fliparoni
Profile Joined February 2012
205 Posts
February 03 2013 00:46 GMT
#94
Until Blizzard provides a way for Pro Gamers to protect their build orders and timings, you will continue to see the "barcode" gamers.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
February 03 2013 01:06 GMT
#95
On February 02 2013 23:47 paralleluniverse wrote:
The WoW naming policy disallows gibberish names:
Show nested quote +
Pure Gibberish
This category includes names which:

Consist of a string of letters which do not produce a pronounceable name (e.g. Asdfasdf, Jjxccm, Hvlldrm)

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/naming-policy

The same rule should be applied to SC2, and these accounts with barcode names should be forced to rename.

At this point everything that's needed to maintain your privacy is there. You can set your account to only receive messages and invites from friends, which prevents spam, and you can set the game privacy to hide build orders. So there is no need to have barcode names.


Um this wont solve this problem. Then we would have 300 users with same name of "candyman" or "random", whatever korean pros agree.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
February 03 2013 01:11 GMT
#96
there are some bronzies that are barcodes haha
AKMU / IU
Rorra
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1066 Posts
February 03 2013 01:33 GMT
#97
I don't understand all the hate for bar codes myself, certainly they may be overused(tons of non-pros use them when they don't need too) but surely the pros have a right to play anonymously, this is hardly any different from a smurf, its just more intelligent. if people here really believe that having a barcode name gives some stupid unfair advantage then they should just make one for themselves and stop complaining.
Hier
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
2391 Posts
February 03 2013 01:54 GMT
#98
On February 03 2013 07:28 Hier wrote:
Wait, I thought you could have an exact name as any other guy, as long as your character code is different.

Still confused as to what the point of the thread is, when the quoted statement makes the entire thing moot.
"But on a more serious note..." -everyone on this forum at some point.
Grimmyman123
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-03 02:01:13
February 03 2013 02:00 GMT
#99
On February 03 2013 09:19 -TesteR- wrote:
I love how any trash terran can easily make top 3. such a broken race.

User was temp banned for this post.


lol, the funny part, is it was a play on words. Number 3 on the list is a terran named "Trash". Moderator didn't pay attention to the OP...

Or I just think dry humor is funny as heck....
Win. That's all that matters. Win. Nobody likes to lose.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
February 03 2013 07:10 GMT
#100
On February 03 2013 00:17 dynwar7 wrote:
Are you really a forestry scientist, Orek?

Only in this thread, figuratively, however awkward one it is.

On February 03 2013 00:28 Blaine wrote:
High school math should have taught you that u can simply do 2^12
On February 03 2013 02:41 FakePseudo wrote:
Show nested quote +
Using combination from high school math,
C(12,0) + C(12,1) + C(12,2) + C(12,3) + C(12,4) + C(12,5) + C(12,6) + C(12,7) + C(12,8) + C(12,9) + C(12,10) + C(12,11) +C(12,12) = 4096 patterns for 12 letters.


Wow man. This has close to no importance, but it just makes me sick to see this when you could obviously just do 2^12 (twelve positions that could either be a R or q, with no influence between position or other rules).

This brings me to the point that barcodes could obviously be handled with binary logic and calculus. We could dig through this. Even if i agree that 6-6 (1,3,5,7,9,11) tells more than 2730, identifying every barcode to a 0-4095 number through its binary value could simplify dealing with all this data.
On February 03 2013 05:14 algorithm0r wrote:
Great article Orek. Your math with combinations is correct but too long. Use permutations. There are 2 letters and 12 spaces means 2^12 = 4096 permutations.
On February 03 2013 09:15 crumunch wrote:
Hey, it's cool that you did out how many different ways you can make the barcode name, but you over complicated the math. It's much easier to say that you have two choices for every character, so there are 2^12 = 4096 ways of doing it.

Ah. I look like an idiot now Originally, it was even more detailed because I included a section that analyzed things based on number of "capital i /ai/"s. Now that I scrapped the section because it didn't turn out to be interesting, I should have discarded the idea of categorizing patterns based on the number of "capital i /ai/"s. I was too preoccupied. Not a good idea to do math on TL without anyone else checking it beforehand. Thank you all for pointing out. I add =2^12 to the OP.

On February 03 2013 00:42 Targe wrote:
Orek, this is amazing as usual. The notation you devise each time always confuses me though.

Thank you, and don't worry. I try my best to find the most concise notation/naming rule, but I often get confused by my own creation as well.

On February 03 2013 00:52 steelcurtain09 wrote:
I like the idea of encoding birthdays into your barcode. You can treat each four i/l's as a hex digit. So for example I am born April 27th so my encoding would be qRqqqqqRRqRR. Of course you're left with three middle digits that will never be used.

There is definitely a lot of undiscovered potential for individuality in barcode naming.

That's very smart. I like it. I guess April 27th should have been qqRqqqqRRqRR. Much better than my birthday idea. Nice!

On February 03 2013 02:36 LunaSea wrote:
I'm currently programming a piece of software that can identify a player by analyzing stats in replays like APM at different times of a game depending on match-ups and then calculates the standard deviation of those stats with an "official" replay of that specific player.
This would defeat the purpose of using barcode names.

Public enemy No.1 for Union of Barcode Players. Now, I am not the one. This guy is.

On February 03 2013 07:37 ajxPurpleRain wrote:
Great post, but I do feel that the L/el i/ai format you use to explain the concept actually complicates the matter rather than enlightening us. Lowercase "L" and uppercase "I" would have done the trick. The extra slash makes a difference. Also, Chesterton is a sanctimonious toool, but otherwise, good work. We might be seeing a whole lot more of these names with the name change buff, too.

P.S.
The new ultimate try-hard gold league ladder name: Liquid'lIIlIlIlIlI

I felt /el/ /ai/ were redundant as well, but I went ahead anyways. Thank for the feedback. I will give more thoughts in future threads. I learned a new word "sanctimonious" today. Having a good and relevant enough introduction has always been a challenge for me. Bear with me for more sanctimonious introductions in future!!

On February 03 2013 09:19 -TesteR- wrote:
I love how any trash terran can easily make top 3. such a broken race.

User was temp banned for this post.
From ABL: -TesteR- was just temp banned for 30 days
A risky joke if you have a history of balance whining(?). A courageous try I must say.
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