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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
January 31 2013 18:18 GMT
#121
On February 01 2013 03:15 hotcoco wrote:
Polt's back?!

He never left.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:20:10
January 31 2013 18:19 GMT
#122
On February 01 2013 03:15 iNcontroL wrote:
Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.


On February 01 2013 02:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
That would be because the way the invite criteria work wasn't event RESULTS, it was event PARTICIPATION. This means that players that might not be placing as HIGHLY as other players get invited simply because the team they play for can afford to send them to more events.


Personally my argument is that the "points system" is an inherently flawed, bottleneck-y system akin to MLG's disastrous 2011 Group Stage Seeding System. I don't see how MLG can make this mistake twice.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 31 2013 18:21 GMT
#123
No open bracket means you aren't getting my view. Way to shit on everything that made previous MLGs good. Invitationals are boring.
MLG John
Profile Joined January 2012
United States34 Posts
January 31 2013 18:21 GMT
#124
On February 01 2013 02:02 Demonhunter04 wrote:
MLG Winter starts Feb 4 and ends March 12? Isn't that spring?


Spring Equinox = March 20
Summer Solstice = June 21
Fall Equinox = September 22
Winter Solstice = December 21

Winter = December 21 - March 20
Spring = March 20 - June 21
Summer = June 21 - September 22
Fall = September 22 - December 21

KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
January 31 2013 18:22 GMT
#125
On February 01 2013 03:21 Glurkenspurk wrote:
No open bracket means you aren't getting my view. Way to shit on everything that made previous MLGs good. Invitationals are boring.

Read the goddamn thread.
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Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 31 2013 18:23 GMT
#126
On February 01 2013 03:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:21 Glurkenspurk wrote:
No open bracket means you aren't getting my view. Way to shit on everything that made previous MLGs good. Invitationals are boring.

Read the goddamn thread.


I did, and the reasoning sucks.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:27:37
January 31 2013 18:23 GMT
#127
Well I can't accept the reasoning why online qualfiers are not possible. They plan to play the winter season showdown matches pretty much every day from now on and say they work closely together with blizzard to ensure stability on those days. Wouldn't it be much easier to ensure stability for 3 days in february where they play 3 big open regional qualifiers?

I think what MLG is doing with this Championship is the second worst possible outcome for the players and the sport (the at least give 56 people the chance instead of invitng 28).

As a spectator I will watch because the event itself will still be great for us, but I feel sorry for the players and I think it's only right that we express our criticism.

Edit: In case the showdown matches are all played on one stable day and then casted from replays, it should still be possible to play 3 qualifiers on 3 days.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
January 31 2013 18:24 GMT
#128
On February 01 2013 03:21 MLG John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:02 Demonhunter04 wrote:
MLG Winter starts Feb 4 and ends March 12? Isn't that spring?


Spring Equinox = March 20
Summer Solstice = June 21
Fall Equinox = September 22
Winter Solstice = December 21

Winter = December 21 - March 20
Spring = March 20 - June 21
Summer = June 21 - September 22
Fall = September 22 - December 21


The end of winter depends on what the groundhog does on Saturday =p
iS.Tubby
Profile Joined August 2010
23 Posts
January 31 2013 18:25 GMT
#129
MLG doing what it thinks is best, some of the invites are weird, but honestly, with such a limited amount of invites, it's kinda hard to get everyone who deserves one. It's one event with no open bracket, there's going to be plenty more with an open bracket. Instead of being upset, just be glad that there will be other events hosted by MLG with an open bracket, because let's face it, without MLG the NA tournament scene would be a lot shittier than it is now.
warmus
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom196 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:27:45
January 31 2013 18:25 GMT
#130
The amount of people who are saying stupid things that make no sense is staggering here, so just a little bit of common sense.

1) People who want open brackets, may I ask why? This is a hots tournament and right at its beginning anyway, so a no name winning against a famous player will by very nature have very little significance attached to it, cause why would it? I appreciate that its about equal opportunity, but there will be plenty of opportunities to prove yourself with release of HoTs, which you will take if you are actually any good, no need for it at MLG with an introduction of a fresh game.

2) Lets face it, there will be no no names who could make it through the open bracket that are not in the listed players. I dont want to guess how many newcomers made it through an open bracket at MLG since its very beginning, but I think you could easily count them with the fingers on one hand (if that). Why do you necessarily want an open bracket if its only gonna lead to GSL US? I mean players such as Maker/ ddoro/ sasquatch (no offense to you guys please, just trying to be objective) are invited, you honestly think someone even less famous than them would stand a chance through the open bracket?

3) Extension of point 2. People 100% wrong in saying that this reduces excitement (in general). Facts are facts, and they are that community watches when foreigners play, and the only way possible to have that is in this format. Open bracket will kill foreigners, and with it the viewer count for MLG, and with that possibly the future prospects of MLG (last one may be a stretch), so its in the best interest for MLG to ensure a solid foreigner saturation, and pray some of them make it deep. MLG knows that people crying about open bracket are a vocal minority compared to those who tune out after the last foreigner is eliminated.

This move makes 100% sense, and is by far the most desirable from a business standpoint. Whats the point of incurring all the extra costs which come from the open bracket, if there would be like no benefits from it? I am open for a change of perspective if someone can provide a good reason for why no open bracket is bad from the standpoint of the organization (in any way), because frankly I just dont see it in this particular case. For the record, the argument about equal chance and new talent development will just not work given the specificness of MLG dallas.

Shew
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States460 Posts
January 31 2013 18:25 GMT
#131
kinda glad it's invite only.. that map pool and dallas scare me
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
January 31 2013 18:25 GMT
#132
On February 01 2013 03:23 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:22 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:21 Glurkenspurk wrote:
No open bracket means you aren't getting my view. Way to shit on everything that made previous MLGs good. Invitationals are boring.

Read the goddamn thread.


I did, and the reasoning sucks.

then you are a moron and there is no help for you.


User was temp banned for this post.
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shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
January 31 2013 18:25 GMT
#133
On February 01 2013 03:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


If they used any of the current maps that I have seen 2000 games on, I would not watch. They need new maps for a new game. After that, we can decide what is balanced for not with all the changes.


On top of that we don't even know how new units affect the old maps.
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UmbraaeternuS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile476 Posts
January 31 2013 18:26 GMT
#134
On February 01 2013 03:15 iNcontroL wrote:
This thread is odd to me.

They say the reasons they can't do online quals/open bracket (which they have championed in the past) is because of instability across all the regions.. most people accept that. I don't really see anyone saying the reasoning for that isn't good enough.

Then I read a bunch of vague posts about how the picks are biased and no open bracket is bad. When has an invite tourney EVER made everyone happy? It simply isn't possible.. so if we accept the reasoning for why the invites are there, can't we be happy for the tourney itself? I mean, they are doing a hybrid tourney in the sense that there is at least 1 round of qualification which means a full 2x people get a crack at this as opposed to just a straight invite to an offline tourney?

Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.

I am obviously very sad about no open bracket.. but after hearing their reasoning and thinking about it.. I have come to a place where I can accept this for Dallas.

I know this thread doesn't speak for all of sc2 but I wish more of us would think on a more rational level as opposed to just jumping to boycott or get pissed


As usual, Geoff's posts ooze with logic...

I can't help but wonder though... If this is only an experiment for Dallas, being the year's 1st MLG, being the 1st HotS MLG, or is it going to be a repetitive scene for the year?
I still think the open bracket gone and no clear qualifiers is a pretty huge setback. I am super sad to see the open bracket go, I am super sad to see some of my favorite players not invited...
*Sigh*
I just hope this gets solved soon, and that at least regional qualifiers are attempted... No open bracket forever and no qualy seems just... silly.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44317 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:30:36
January 31 2013 18:28 GMT
#135
On February 01 2013 03:24 coverpunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:21 MLG John wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:02 Demonhunter04 wrote:
MLG Winter starts Feb 4 and ends March 12? Isn't that spring?


Spring Equinox = March 20
Summer Solstice = June 21
Fall Equinox = September 22
Winter Solstice = December 21

Winter = December 21 - March 20
Spring = March 20 - June 21
Summer = June 21 - September 22
Fall = September 22 - December 21


The end of winter depends on what the groundhog does on Saturday =p


How do people not know when the seasons change? O.O

It's winter.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
January 31 2013 18:30 GMT
#136
On February 01 2013 03:25 warmus wrote:
The amount of people who are saying stupid things that make no sense is staggering here, so just a little bit of common sense.

1) People who want open brackets, may I ask why? This is a hots tournament and right at its beginning anyway, so a no name winning against a famous player will by very nature have very little significance attached to it, cause why would it? I appreciate that its about equal opportunity, but there will be plenty of opportunities to prove yourself with release of HoTs, which you will take if you are actually any good, no need for it at MLG with an introduction of a fresh game.

2) Lets face it, there will be no no names who could make it through the open bracket that are not in the listed players. I dont want to guess how many newcomers made it through an open bracket at MLG since its very beginning, but I think you could easily count them with the fingers on one hand (if that). Why do you necessarily want an open bracket if its only gonna lead to GSL US? I mean players such as Maker/ ddoro/ sasquatch (no offense to you guys please, just trying to be objective) are invited, you honestly think someone even less famous than them would stand a chance through the open bracket?

3) Extension of point 2. People 100% wrong in saying that this reduces excitement (in general). Facts are facts, and they are that community watches when foreigners play, and the only way possible to have that is in this format. Open bracket will kill foreigners, and with it the viewer count for MLG, and with that possibly the future prospects of MLG (last one may be a stretch), so its in the best interest for MLG to ensure a solid foreigner saturation, and pray some of them make it deep. MLG knows that people crying about open bracket are a vocal minority compared to those who tune out after the last foreigner is eliminated.

This move makes 100% sense, and is by far the most desirable from a business standpoint. Whats the point of incurring all the extra costs which come from the open bracket, if there would be like no benefits from it? I am open for a change of perspective if someone can provide a good reason for why no open bracket is bad from the standpoint of the organization (in any way), because frankly I just dont see it in this particular case. For the record, the argument about equal chance and new talent development will just not work given the specificness of MLG dallas.

The decision by MLG may not be liked
\

Coming up with an amazing "unbeatable" strategy after release and showing in an open bracket would be fucking amazing, and is what RTS games are all about. That kind of shit won't happen if tournaments are just back to being popularity contests again.

This does nothing but hurt the NA scene. I don't give a shit about how inviting washed up pros to a tournament gives them the most views. It fucking sucks for people trying to get their name out there, and is ANOTHER kick in the face to the NA scene, where MLG is one of the only accessible tournaments with an open bracket that people care about.
GreyishTommy
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland147 Posts
January 31 2013 18:31 GMT
#137
I understand that players from each region should meet, to have foreigners in the main tourney.
However, I don't understand why we have a Scarlett vs Goswser match, both being Top5 NA players with Huk, Killer and IdrA, while we have matches like Suppy vs Maker and State vs Fenix
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Saber_Rider
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden361 Posts
January 31 2013 18:31 GMT
#138
Little surprised to not see Naniwa in there but maybe he has other plans or something. Gonna be sweet to see the Kespa players play some Hots And I'll cheer extra for the swedes
FFE or die trying
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
January 31 2013 18:33 GMT
#139
where is Naniwa?
Go Sudan
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:34:12
January 31 2013 18:33 GMT
#140
On February 01 2013 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:24 coverpunch wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:21 MLG John wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:02 Demonhunter04 wrote:
MLG Winter starts Feb 4 and ends March 12? Isn't that spring?


Spring Equinox = March 20
Summer Solstice = June 21
Fall Equinox = September 22
Winter Solstice = December 21

Winter = December 21 - March 20
Spring = March 20 - June 21
Summer = June 21 - September 22
Fall = September 22 - December 21


The end of winter depends on what the groundhog does on Saturday =p


How do people not know when the seasons change? O.O

It's winter.

Because I live in California. Seasons don't change here.
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