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goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
January 31 2013 18:01 GMT
#101
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
January 31 2013 18:01 GMT
#102
Wonder if they booted desrow for leaking info
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
January 31 2013 18:02 GMT
#103
On February 01 2013 02:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:21 MLG_Adam wrote:
We wanted to have huge open online qualifiers for each region but due to HOTS beta stability we had to run only invitational activity.


Is that necessarily so bad though? I always felt that the most interesting part of MLG was the idea that someone (possibly a no-name player) could make a legendary run through the open bracket and take it all through the championships. It doesn't matter if he's not a Korean (or not a he!). That made us love Naniwa when it happened, and these things just don't happen anymore, because of how stacked the brackets tend to be anyway.

Not really happy with this decision, but I'm sure these games are going to be good anyway.

I think by stability they mean server stability and it going down all the time for patches etc. For example there could easily be multiple patches in the middle of the tourney changing the gameplay dramatically.


Ah, I see. I don't understand why that reason would affect the single MLG weekend for an open bracket then. Blizzard is pretty mindful with not patching during tournament weekends, and even if Blizzard did screw up and patch on March 15-17, the pro-gamers who were invited would still be screwed.


They seem to be going for online open brackets this year that take place at an earlier time than the main event. I guess they send all the winners out to the main event after that.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
January 31 2013 18:03 GMT
#104
On February 01 2013 02:56 sitromit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:42 sitromit wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:36 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:32 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:28 Pokebunny wrote:
Kind of sad that HwangSin placed higher than every independent/foreign team Korean invited to the showmatches at last MLG and gets no invite. Pretty clear that this is obviously based on who is the most famous rather than any actual qualifications. Not that those players are undeserving, but...

That would be because the way the invite criteria work wasn't event RESULTS, it was event PARTICIPATION. This means that players that might not be placing as HIGHLY as other players get invited simply because the team they play for can afford to send them to more events.

So he went to an arena and three of the four championship events...

It doesn't matter.

He missed every single European Major that

MC vs Alive
Hero vs Polt
Taeja vs Violet

All 6 of these attended.

To be fair I don't even see why aLive/MC/HerO/TaeJa are even in this category considering they've lived in Korea this whole time to begin with.


And who should they have invited instead? Hwangsin and Jookto? 2 of the players on that list are in Code S, 2 are in Code A, the other two have more accomplishments in SC2 in the last few months alone, than Hwangsin and Jookto have had in their entire careers. If I as a viewer am going to pay to watch a tournament, who do you think I want to see in the category of Koreans on foreigner teams?


I was just thinking since the category is titled "Independent/Western (3) - 6 Western + Independent Korean players"

There's nothing "Western" about putting a jersey on and staying in Korea. I would think the category lends itself to Korean players who leave Korea to live abroad:

Hwangsin
StC
JookTo
Yong
JYP
PuMa
GanZi
ViOLet
Polt
etc

Otherwise why don't we just title it "Make sure TeamLiquid's Koreans can get to MLG Category"


Of the players on your list, only those on your team, Violet and Polt are now living in the US, all the rest are in Korea, aren't they? Didn't Hwangsin, theStC, Puma and JYP just play in the Code A qualifiers? Violet and Polt are already invited. So that leaves only your players. You can run a poll and ask how many people want to see Yong instead of MC, I doubt it'll turn out in your favor though.

Their invitation criteria stipulated it accounted for the entire 2012 Season, so I did the same with my list.

I just don't see the point in a separate category for a player like MC who lives in a Korean eSF Team House unless we're labeling it the "Popularity Contest" category.
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Cassalina
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-31 18:05:44
January 31 2013 18:03 GMT
#105
darn, not as excited as i am about open brackets. i guess thanks adam for giving your reasoning for the invite only...but let's please not ever do it again. beta stability shouldn't be an issue in the future, and you know that the fans like the open bracket. hopefully spring MLG will bring about a lot of deserving up and comers that deserve some shots.

some players that weren't invited, put in a LOT of time to HotS and imo should have been invited. with that said, some people here are taking it way too personally. stop attacking eachother plz and let's just enjoy the show :D...i really hope the invite only thing never happens again.

one example of a player that has put in too much passion into HotS since the early stages that i don't see on here is white-ra. like, i think more should have been put into who got invited to this thing. either way i'm watching <3
"advance solidly, fight solidly"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2013 18:04 GMT
#106
On February 01 2013 03:02 Aldehyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:21 MLG_Adam wrote:
We wanted to have huge open online qualifiers for each region but due to HOTS beta stability we had to run only invitational activity.


Is that necessarily so bad though? I always felt that the most interesting part of MLG was the idea that someone (possibly a no-name player) could make a legendary run through the open bracket and take it all through the championships. It doesn't matter if he's not a Korean (or not a he!). That made us love Naniwa when it happened, and these things just don't happen anymore, because of how stacked the brackets tend to be anyway.

Not really happy with this decision, but I'm sure these games are going to be good anyway.

I think by stability they mean server stability and it going down all the time for patches etc. For example there could easily be multiple patches in the middle of the tourney changing the gameplay dramatically.


Ah, I see. I don't understand why that reason would affect the single MLG weekend for an open bracket then. Blizzard is pretty mindful with not patching during tournament weekends, and even if Blizzard did screw up and patch on March 15-17, the pro-gamers who were invited would still be screwed.


They seem to be going for online open brackets this year that take place at an earlier time than the main event. I guess they send all the winners out to the main event after that.


Running the open bracket during the event was madness. It might have made sense earlier, but not now. I am glad they are going to remove it from the main event and have a more streamlined show.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2013 18:05 GMT
#107
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


If they used any of the current maps that I have seen 2000 games on, I would not watch. They need new maps for a new game. After that, we can decide what is balanced for not with all the changes.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#108
On February 01 2013 03:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


If they used any of the current maps that I have seen 2000 games on, I would not watch. They need new maps for a new game. After that, we can decide what is balanced for not with all the changes.



We are trimming to 7 maps for Dallas.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#109
On February 01 2013 03:05 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


If they used any of the current maps that I have seen 2000 games on, I would not watch. They need new maps for a new game. After that, we can decide what is balanced for not with all the changes.

New maps is great. But I think when looking at the new HOTS maps it is obvious a lot of them are just to test new concepts, and aren't made to be balanced maps.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Glon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States569 Posts
January 31 2013 18:06 GMT
#110
On February 01 2013 03:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:56 sitromit wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:42 sitromit wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:36 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:32 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:28 Pokebunny wrote:
Kind of sad that HwangSin placed higher than every independent/foreign team Korean invited to the showmatches at last MLG and gets no invite. Pretty clear that this is obviously based on who is the most famous rather than any actual qualifications. Not that those players are undeserving, but...

That would be because the way the invite criteria work wasn't event RESULTS, it was event PARTICIPATION. This means that players that might not be placing as HIGHLY as other players get invited simply because the team they play for can afford to send them to more events.

So he went to an arena and three of the four championship events...

It doesn't matter.

He missed every single European Major that

MC vs Alive
Hero vs Polt
Taeja vs Violet

All 6 of these attended.

To be fair I don't even see why aLive/MC/HerO/TaeJa are even in this category considering they've lived in Korea this whole time to begin with.


And who should they have invited instead? Hwangsin and Jookto? 2 of the players on that list are in Code S, 2 are in Code A, the other two have more accomplishments in SC2 in the last few months alone, than Hwangsin and Jookto have had in their entire careers. If I as a viewer am going to pay to watch a tournament, who do you think I want to see in the category of Koreans on foreigner teams?


I was just thinking since the category is titled "Independent/Western (3) - 6 Western + Independent Korean players"

There's nothing "Western" about putting a jersey on and staying in Korea. I would think the category lends itself to Korean players who leave Korea to live abroad:

Hwangsin
StC
JookTo
Yong
JYP
PuMa
GanZi
ViOLet
Polt
etc

Otherwise why don't we just title it "Make sure TeamLiquid's Koreans can get to MLG Category"


Of the players on your list, only those on your team, Violet and Polt are now living in the US, all the rest are in Korea, aren't they? Didn't Hwangsin, theStC, Puma and JYP just play in the Code A qualifiers? Violet and Polt are already invited. So that leaves only your players. You can run a poll and ask how many people want to see Yong instead of MC, I doubt it'll turn out in your favor though.

Their invitation criteria stipulated it accounted for the entire 2012 Season, so I did the same with my list.

I just don't see the point in a separate category for a player like MC who lives in a Korean eSF Team House unless we're labeling it the "Popularity Contest" category.


It's all a popularity contest. I find it even funnier that Hyun didn't get an invite... lol.
@QuanticGlon https://twitter.com/QuanticGlon
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 31 2013 18:07 GMT
#111
Read the lineup for NA:

Hey that's pretty good!

Read the lineup for Europe:

WHY CAN'T YOU ALL BE WINNERS!!!???
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45023 Posts
January 31 2013 18:07 GMT
#112
On February 01 2013 03:02 Aldehyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:40 Pokebunny wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 01 2013 02:21 MLG_Adam wrote:
We wanted to have huge open online qualifiers for each region but due to HOTS beta stability we had to run only invitational activity.


Is that necessarily so bad though? I always felt that the most interesting part of MLG was the idea that someone (possibly a no-name player) could make a legendary run through the open bracket and take it all through the championships. It doesn't matter if he's not a Korean (or not a he!). That made us love Naniwa when it happened, and these things just don't happen anymore, because of how stacked the brackets tend to be anyway.

Not really happy with this decision, but I'm sure these games are going to be good anyway.

I think by stability they mean server stability and it going down all the time for patches etc. For example there could easily be multiple patches in the middle of the tourney changing the gameplay dramatically.


Ah, I see. I don't understand why that reason would affect the single MLG weekend for an open bracket then. Blizzard is pretty mindful with not patching during tournament weekends, and even if Blizzard did screw up and patch on March 15-17, the pro-gamers who were invited would still be screwed.


They seem to be going for online open brackets this year that take place at an earlier time than the main event. I guess they send all the winners out to the main event after that.


Well yeah, but that's because they're doing a different format. Oh well. I'll still be watching and the tournament will undoubtedly be great anyway. I just feel like it's burning bridges with a lot of players and viewers. I hope it doesn't.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Glon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States569 Posts
January 31 2013 18:08 GMT
#113
On February 01 2013 02:33 MLG_Adam wrote:
Again. We want aspiration, we want open qualification, we want success stories, how can you say anything different based on our track record?

This event is 3 days after a major content release. Qualification is taking place on BETA servers. We wanted to have open online qualification for this event but it was not a logistical reality.

We are not done announcing 2013 plans. Have faith.


And just how exactly were these players chosen......?
@QuanticGlon https://twitter.com/QuanticGlon
Thinasy
Profile Joined March 2011
2856 Posts
January 31 2013 18:09 GMT
#114
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


Sounds like the start of WoL then.
Jaedong & Faker
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 31 2013 18:09 GMT
#115
Maybe jjakji will magically surprise me and do well. He didnt qualify for code a so he should be switching to HoTS full time, unless GSTL starts before HoTS is out because I dont remember when it starts.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 31 2013 18:11 GMT
#116
On February 01 2013 03:06 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 03:05 Plansix wrote:
On February 01 2013 03:01 goswser wrote:
This map pool is also a horrible joke. Most of the HOTS maps are so bad none of them are fit for competition.


If they used any of the current maps that I have seen 2000 games on, I would not watch. They need new maps for a new game. After that, we can decide what is balanced for not with all the changes.



We are trimming to 7 maps for Dallas.


Do not make me watch Daybreak or Cloud K. We have seen to many games on those and we need fresh blood.
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Glorfindel!
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1815 Posts
January 31 2013 18:11 GMT
#117
Marineking vs Gumiho :/
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/598681/1/Glorfindel/ladder/161337#current-rank
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 31 2013 18:15 GMT
#118
This thread is odd to me.

They say the reasons they can't do online quals/open bracket (which they have championed in the past) is because of instability across all the regions.. most people accept that. I don't really see anyone saying the reasoning for that isn't good enough.

Then I read a bunch of vague posts about how the picks are biased and no open bracket is bad. When has an invite tourney EVER made everyone happy? It simply isn't possible.. so if we accept the reasoning for why the invites are there, can't we be happy for the tourney itself? I mean, they are doing a hybrid tourney in the sense that there is at least 1 round of qualification which means a full 2x people get a crack at this as opposed to just a straight invite to an offline tourney?

Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.

I am obviously very sad about no open bracket.. but after hearing their reasoning and thinking about it.. I have come to a place where I can accept this for Dallas.

I know this thread doesn't speak for all of sc2 but I wish more of us would think on a more rational level as opposed to just jumping to boycott or get pissed
hotcoco
Profile Joined January 2013
United Arab Emirates20 Posts
January 31 2013 18:15 GMT
#119
Polt's back?!
"Life is weaker than Death and Death is weaker than Truth"
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
January 31 2013 18:17 GMT
#120
On February 01 2013 03:15 iNcontroL wrote:
This thread is odd to me.

They say the reasons they can't do online quals/open bracket (which they have championed in the past) is because of instability across all the regions.. most people accept that. I don't really see anyone saying the reasoning for that isn't good enough.

Then I read a bunch of vague posts about how the picks are biased and no open bracket is bad. When has an invite tourney EVER made everyone happy? It simply isn't possible.. so if we accept the reasoning for why the invites are there, can't we be happy for the tourney itself? I mean, they are doing a hybrid tourney in the sense that there is at least 1 round of qualification which means a full 2x people get a crack at this as opposed to just a straight invite to an offline tourney?

Demu wasn't invited, our koreans... yet I can still look at this and say "ok." Ever wonder why Ddoro (inactive) and fenix are invited amongst others? Probably some point system behind that right? It isn't like MLG is super tight with Ddoro... come on.

I am obviously very sad about no open bracket.. but after hearing their reasoning and thinking about it.. I have come to a place where I can accept this for Dallas.

I know this thread doesn't speak for all of sc2 but I wish more of us would think on a more rational level as opposed to just jumping to boycott or get pissed

This is the internet! Rational thought??? You're crazy, man! You ask the impossible!
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