EPTThis is an 100% unfair format that penalizes players who felt like they could have a new chance to compete with pros in a brand new game. It is extremely unprofessional and the people who will suffer are the players who play the game nonstop and want a chance to show off their skills. It sucks also because spectators and viewer count won't really be lower as a result. It is just the players who care most about the game who are getting screwed.
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ThisIsJimmy
United States546 Posts
This is an 100% unfair format that penalizes players who felt like they could have a new chance to compete with pros in a brand new game. It is extremely unprofessional and the people who will suffer are the players who play the game nonstop and want a chance to show off their skills. It sucks also because spectators and viewer count won't really be lower as a result. It is just the players who care most about the game who are getting screwed. | ||
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PrOmiseCAST
United States305 Posts
I really hope that the open bracket is reconsidered, or at least have a substitute that gives up and coming players a meaningful reason to book flights and hotels not only to spectate, but to also compete. | ||
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deth
Australia1757 Posts
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LuNa.
United States20 Posts
On February 03 2013 05:07 KiF1rE wrote: What is unstable about the beta server? Ive been playing it quite a bit and havent noticed anymore issues than WoL has.... Thats the confusing part to me, About how everyone defends the servers being unstable and I havent noticed anything of the sort that is out of the ordinary. And if the servers are so unstable, why is IPL6 is holding open online qualifiers, and an open bracket in hots? Yet MLG claims its impossible. But so many other questions go unanswered such as... Is there going to be another Dallas stop this year? since this isnt a "real" mlg event its an exhibition. What are gold memberships good for competitive players? What exactly is unstable about the servers? Why arent some pros even practicing HOTS for this event? As to me its unprofessional to accept an invite you arent even going to spend time practicing for, regardless of whether your flash or some unknown. Ever thought about having to play HotS from Europe or Korea right now? The only server they're running is located here in the US so what are players from the EU and Korea supposed to do? Yes they can play but they'll have to deal with insane lag (and that's not the player's faults) which could give those who live here in the NA or close to it an advantage so how is that fair? I'm not saying this to try and defend MLG because I also don't like the idea of not having an open bracket but you have to consider both sides here and understand that no matter what MLG decided to do it wouldn't be entirely fair for some players. Regardless I don't get why some people are freaking out over this. It's 1 event you can't play while IPL 6 has actually decided to run an open bracket so you're not really missing out on anything | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
Lets be clear about a few things. MLG cares about one thing, and that is making money. It also knows, that even if people are pissed off, and it has an invite only tournament, that chances are very good that they will still sell a whole bunch of tickets and cover their expenses. Expenses, which, by the way, will be greatly reduced due to the lesser number of termals, PC's, logistics and support to run a puny little small tournament. MLG's business model has changed. They have found, that streaming events is cheaper as an expense, and they still make a butt ton of money in subscriptions and advert revenue via Twitch. So, if it makes a lot of money, its good for business. Things that are also true. If Starcraft 2, and HOTS does not make MLG boatloads of money, it will be flushed down the toilet and another game will take its place. MLG does not care about the game, the teams or the players. It does care about the fans being 'remotely' happy, so they will spend their money. That is all that matters. If people do not watch, they won't run that content. I don't blame them, its an american company which shares the american dream. It is simply business and capitalism. Unfortunately, what our community wants, and what MLG wants, are two different things. We as fans want dynamic player rosters, tournament upsets, and drama with our games. MLG wants expenses down, revenue up, and if that means the same 8 koreans in the top 8 each and every touarnement, so be it. If they could generate maximum revenue, with the same 8 players at their studios, without any of the additiona costs of a venue event, and make the same money, trust me, they would run that 8 man tourney each and every single weekend. MLG just wants to make content, for as little cost as possible, for fans to either pay for, or get advert revenue from, and gobble up. Make content, make money. The quality of the content does not have to be good. People will watch it, unless better content is available. IEM or IPL or any other major tournament would have been well served to run a tourney the same weekend, with a streamed and casted open bracket with lots of vareity. MLG viewership numbers would have suffered badly if there was ANY competition that weekend. Simply, it would be like taking candy from a baby, as far as business goes. MLG. This is business. oops. I mean, This is Esports! | ||
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lvent
United States140 Posts
On February 02 2013 04:22 MLG_Adam wrote: Believe it or not we actually have an internal ranking based on global finishes from every tournament that occurred in 2012. We used that ranking to invite players per region. Would you be opposed to releasing your ranking system? I am curious to see(and probably not alone) on how you weigh the various "other" events and as of now given that the only way players are invited is by holding position on your list it might clear up some preconceived bias. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 03 2013 10:06 Grimmyman123 wrote: Actually, Sundance blamed Blizzard for the reason being there will be no open bracket. Something about server load, etc etc. Lets be clear about a few things. MLG cares about one thing, and that is making money. It also knows, that even if people are pissed off, and it has an invite only tournament, that chances are very good that they will still sell a whole bunch of tickets and cover their expenses. Expenses, which, by the way, will be greatly reduced due to the lesser number of termals, PC's, logistics and support to run a puny little small tournament. MLG's business model has changed. They have found, that streaming events is cheaper as an expense, and they still make a butt ton of money in subscriptions and advert revenue via Twitch. So, if it makes a lot of money, its good for business. Things that are also true. If Starcraft 2, and HOTS does not make MLG boatloads of money, it will be flushed down the toilet and another game will take its place. MLG does not care about the game, the teams or the players. It does care about the fans being 'remotely' happy, so they will spend their money. That is all that matters. If people do not watch, they won't run that content. I don't blame them, its an american company which shares the american dream. It is simply business and capitalism. Unfortunately, what our community wants, and what MLG wants, are two different things. We as fans want dynamic player rosters, tournament upsets, and drama with our games. MLG wants expenses down, revenue up, and if that means the same 8 koreans in the top 8 each and every touarnement, so be it. If they could generate maximum revenue, with the same 8 players at their studios, without any of the additiona costs of a venue event, and make the same money, trust me, they would run that 8 man tourney each and every single weekend. MLG just wants to make content, for as little cost as possible, for fans to either pay for, or get advert revenue from, and gobble up. Make content, make money. The quality of the content does not have to be good. People will watch it, unless better content is available. IEM or IPL or any other major tournament would have been well served to run a tourney the same weekend, with a streamed and casted open bracket with lots of vareity. MLG viewership numbers would have suffered badly if there was ANY competition that weekend. Simply, it would be like taking candy from a baby, as far as business goes. MLG. This is business. oops. I mean, This is Esports! No tournament is ever well served to run a tournament on the same weekend. Its actually incredibly stupid. And everything is business. You think its not for IEM or IPL? Give me a break. Why do you think IEM dropped CS? Business. Why is IPL putting more effort into LoL? Business. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
On February 03 2013 09:08 LuNa. wrote: Ever thought about having to play HotS from Europe or Korea right now? The only server they're running is located here in the US so what are players from the EU and Korea supposed to do? Yes they can play but they'll have to deal with insane lag (and that's not the player's faults) which could give those who live here in the NA or close to it an advantage so how is that fair? I'm not saying this to try and defend MLG because I also don't like the idea of not having an open bracket but you have to consider both sides here and understand that no matter what MLG decided to do it wouldn't be entirely fair for some players. Regardless I don't get why some people are freaking out over this. It's 1 event you can't play while IPL 6 has actually decided to run an open bracket so you're not really missing out on anything Well in my opinion it wouldn't be a huge travesty if the non-NA pros had to practice on a laggy server. Ideally, it would be great if everyone could practice lag-free. But I believe the trade-off in this case just isn't worth it (not having the open qualification AT ALL because some people might lag in practice). There are tournaments happening in many parts of the world... NA tournaments will naturally favor American players because of the shorter travel distance and lack of jetlag. Just as Korean tournaments are known for being extremely favorable to Koreans (or at least those living in Korea) because of the inclusive qualification process and long-term commitment needed to play through the tournament in one location. I think the issue that you're bringing up is-- can every tournament be equally accessible for every player? And in my opinion, I don't think that is or even should be the case. Tournament diversity will give people a wider spectrum of players and scenes to follow and is more efficient at bringing up-and-coming talent into the limelight. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
On February 03 2013 11:02 jmbthirteen wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On February 03 2013 10:06 Grimmyman123 wrote: Actually, Sundance blamed Blizzard for the reason being there will be no open bracket. Something about server load, etc etc. Lets be clear about a few things. MLG cares about one thing, and that is making money. It also knows, that even if people are pissed off, and it has an invite only tournament, that chances are very good that they will still sell a whole bunch of tickets and cover their expenses. Expenses, which, by the way, will be greatly reduced due to the lesser number of termals, PC's, logistics and support to run a puny little small tournament. MLG's business model has changed. They have found, that streaming events is cheaper as an expense, and they still make a butt ton of money in subscriptions and advert revenue via Twitch. So, if it makes a lot of money, its good for business. Things that are also true. If Starcraft 2, and HOTS does not make MLG boatloads of money, it will be flushed down the toilet and another game will take its place. MLG does not care about the game, the teams or the players. It does care about the fans being 'remotely' happy, so they will spend their money. That is all that matters. If people do not watch, they won't run that content. I don't blame them, its an american company which shares the american dream. It is simply business and capitalism. Unfortunately, what our community wants, and what MLG wants, are two different things. We as fans want dynamic player rosters, tournament upsets, and drama with our games. MLG wants expenses down, revenue up, and if that means the same 8 koreans in the top 8 each and every touarnement, so be it. If they could generate maximum revenue, with the same 8 players at their studios, without any of the additiona costs of a venue event, and make the same money, trust me, they would run that 8 man tourney each and every single weekend. MLG just wants to make content, for as little cost as possible, for fans to either pay for, or get advert revenue from, and gobble up. Make content, make money. The quality of the content does not have to be good. People will watch it, unless better content is available. IEM or IPL or any other major tournament would have been well served to run a tourney the same weekend, with a streamed and casted open bracket with lots of vareity. MLG viewership numbers would have suffered badly if there was ANY competition that weekend. Simply, it would be like taking candy from a baby, as far as business goes. MLG. This is business. oops. I mean, This is Esports! No tournament is ever well served to run a tournament on the same weekend. Its actually incredibly stupid. And everything is business. You think its not for IEM or IPL? Give me a break. Why do you think IEM dropped CS? Business. Why is IPL putting more effort into LoL? Business. I agree. The other two are businesses as well, your point being...... what exactly? And competitors often do compete head to head for the same market. It just has not happened for LAN events yet. We saw the effects of GSL vs Proleague the other night when Stehono was on Code S, and EGTL in proleague. GSL had 3 times the viewers. 15k to 5k. Happens all the time. Ousting your competition in LAN events? Easy. Offer a larger open bracket, prize pool, and larger prizing than your competitor, on the same weekend. Your competitor will have a very hard time getting top teir players to their event when 1st place is 5k or 10k larger, and the prize pool pays down to 32nd. MLG is not the only player in this market, and they need to remember that, and that it's the fans that drives their business. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On February 03 2013 13:07 Grimmyman123 wrote: I agree. The other two are businesses as well, your point being...... what exactly? And competitors often do compete head to head for the same market. It just has not happened for LAN events yet. We saw the effects of GSL vs Proleague the other night when Stehono was on Code S, and EGTL in proleague. GSL had 3 times the viewers. 15k to 5k. Happens all the time. Ousting your competition in LAN events? Easy. Offer a larger open bracket, prize pool, and larger prizing than your competitor, on the same weekend. Your competitor will have a very hard time getting top teir players to their event when 1st place is 5k or 10k larger, and the prize pool pays down to 32nd. MLG is not the only player in this market, and they need to remember that, and that it's the fans that drives their business. Actually it has happened with LANs quite a bit. How you haven't noticed this, i'm not quite sure. And my whole point was about your last little line there. Taking a jab at MLG for running a business when so are the rest of the leagues. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
MLG would have you think otherwise, that they actually care about esports and its growth, when all they really care about is their own business and its growth. the two are not intertwined. | ||
opterown
Australia54783 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On February 03 2013 14:07 Grimmyman123 wrote: not a jab at all. Stating facts and truths. MLG would have you think otherwise, that they actually care about esports and its growth, when all they really care about is their own business and its growth. the two are not intertwined. Actually your statement is a bit inaccurate. If esports does not grow at all then their potential for growth and making money is quite limited. Smaller pool of customers= less profit, grow that pool and you have the potential to make more money. With that said I'm sure they care about the growth of esports since it does benefit them in a major way. Any business owner would prioritize their business growth of industry growth however, and i don't see a thing wrong with that. On another subject, I think the format is stupid ;/. IPL is doing an open, I'm sure MLG could handle it. | ||
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vesicular
United States1310 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
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Elwar
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
My only regret is no Supernova, its really great watching his HotS stream and its pretty obvious he is the #1 HotS player atm. | ||
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Anta
Germany434 Posts
one of the biggest most established snowboard events in the world Air and Style sponsored by brands like RedBull, which ended just yesterday had also 75000 prize money in total. in esport that's even not a really big one. shows just where we are, in which league we already play. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
On February 03 2013 09:08 LuNa. wrote: Ever thought about having to play HotS from Europe or Korea right now? The only server they're running is located here in the US so what are players from the EU and Korea supposed to do? Yes they can play but they'll have to deal with insane lag (and that's not the player's faults) which could give those who live here in the NA or close to it an advantage so how is that fair? I'm not saying this to try and defend MLG because I also don't like the idea of not having an open bracket but you have to consider both sides here and understand that no matter what MLG decided to do it wouldn't be entirely fair for some players. Regardless I don't get why some people are freaking out over this. It's 1 event you can't play while IPL 6 has actually decided to run an open bracket so you're not really missing out on anything They should just hold 3 regional qualifiers. Then EU players with lag play other EU players with lag etc. Then it would be entirely fair to everyone and the absence of an open bracket would be no big deal since they basically happened online. So the unstable server point still doesn't make sense to me, but this MLG will still be great for the viewers and I'm sure it will be fair to the players in the future. | ||
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