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On January 30 2013 00:58 pb.fcnz wrote:
They have always been a joke of an organization to most people involved in eSports. They came from a console fps background, so not much else should have been expected. These guys who manage vVv have never learned the ropes of eSports before plunging into it. Like most console gamers, they thought they knew it all because they had sent a few teams to MLG to play in some garbage console fps (before MLG dropped the Halo nonsense and picked up SC2 as it's first non-joke game).
Woah, I know many people that compete in console shooters that are respectable people. Also, Halo isn't a joke, or at least wasn't before Starcraft came along and stole the show. If it wasn't for Halo, MLG would've eventually collapsed. Halo was their staple game for 6 years.
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Never liked Jerith at all.
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On January 30 2013 01:17 Limelights wrote:
On another note: I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. Just because vVv Gaming hasn't accomplished anything in Starcraft 2 doesn't mean they don't dominate a ton of other games. They're the biggest gaming team in the world and the only team that comes close to the amount of teams that travel to events is Dignitas.
They had some decent FGC players, as far as I know they got cut even though they performed as well. Aside from that, I can't recall them dominating anything. Also, I'm skeptical about them being the biggest gaming team in the world, it depends on your definition at the least.
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On January 30 2013 01:24 Limelights wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 00:58 pb.fcnz wrote:
They have always been a joke of an organization to most people involved in eSports. They came from a console fps background, so not much else should have been expected. These guys who manage vVv have never learned the ropes of eSports before plunging into it. Like most console gamers, they thought they knew it all because they had sent a few teams to MLG to play in some garbage console fps (before MLG dropped the Halo nonsense and picked up SC2 as it's first non-joke game). Woah, I know many people that compete in console shooters that are respectable people. Also, Halo isn't a joke, or at least wasn't before Starcraft came along and stole the show. If it wasn't for Halo, MLG would've eventually collapsed. Halo was their staple game for 6 years.
And in this 6 years MLG was not on eSports radar at all. Just saying, PC Games brought MLG in a position to gain money of their games/viewers and not just live of venture capital.
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Didn't even known that team was proffessional. Bad thing to see another team disband like that even if it's a small one.
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On January 30 2013 01:17 Limelights wrote:On another note: I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. Just because vVv Gaming hasn't accomplished anything in Starcraft 2 doesn't mean they don't dominate a ton of other games. They're the biggest gaming team in the world and the only team that comes close to the amount of teams that travel to events is Dignitas.
.... what?
Both teams you just named are no one on the eSports scale... Dignitas has earned respect though.
vVv is big, sure, but I can pickup rosters of 30 players for each game played online myself. I can add a 350-man guild to my organization too... The only people who ever made waves for vVv were the clowns on WCG Ultimate Gamer (where the only actual progamer was incontrol) and they lied about their skills and experience and are shitty scrubs who's only claim to fame is placing top3 in guitar hero tournaments. Bunch of nobodies ran by some old douchebag with no clue and no understanding of the industry who has some money to splash but no viable business model.
That moron running vVv in his clip trashing on 1.6 makes me laugh, multigaming teams wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for 1.6 carrying "esports" on it's back when the term wasn't even coined yet.
Also mad lols for him talking shit about scoots, what a fucking clown, vVv was always a joke
Also, when's the last time vVv scored scholarships for their players (you'll understand if you listen to the youtube clip, where he trashes on EG, MLG and co)? Herpity derp, LordJerith is an insult to intelligence, good thing he doesn't know how to read though, we won't have to deal with his bullshit on here.
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On January 30 2013 01:37 Split Behemoth wrote:
Didn't even known that team was proffessional. Bad thing to see another team disband like that even if it's a small one.
vVv Gaming has lost it's semi-pro lineup after Glon, Daisuki, RockEr and SeoHyun left.
SC2 had a community lineup (which sadly caused some bad reputation as well, with some of their members having a bad attitude due to lack of proper organization and order) and an Academy lineup, which was led by me, later on, another Academy Squad was put up by a fellow teammate; with the goal of accomodating those, who wished to pursue SC2 in more serious way than the SC2 community members. I'm sorry if there was any confusion about that.
Sadly, despite of us telling the upper vVv Management they should try some more to spread into SC2 scene & rebuild a proper A team, we were not even taken into consideration and all their visible efforts were put into LoL, especially since LordJerith has taken a position in Riot. And sadly, the latest recruit NuBrGNi ended up the way he did; with promises, which were not fulfilled; despite of fulfilling every requirement the upper management had on him and it was actually a last straw for our Academy and whole SC2 division causing us to leave. So, combined with lack of interest in the SC2 community, the game itself and that, I think it's pretty much good reason to leave.
Not to mention the notoriously bad reputation vVv Gaming had => to make you understand, it is hard to see the real problem of the organization, unless you are really working with the upper management. They are deeply sat on their own truths and logical arguments are not taken under consideration without you getting belittled and eventually being called "toxic". The moment you disagree with them, you "complain".
I just wish, that we had more chances to prove ourselves as a decent, passionate SC2 players to the SC2 community, but it just seems that the stamp of vVv's bad reputation simply stayed with us, no matter how much organization & passion there was in the Academy Team.
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On January 30 2013 01:17 Limelights wrote:I respect vVv Gaming for winning titles in countless games but that doesn't mean the majority of vVv members aren't teenage boys with giant egos. They call themselves an 'Academy Team'. They advertise that anyone who passes an evaluation can join and rise through the ranks of their respective game and eventually be on the team that vVv pays to go out to events. Bullshit! All everything is in that community is a popularity contest. They don't evaluate possible members on being respectful, loyal and well-mannered, they only look for skill in their members. The entire vVv community is tainted with negativity and it shows in the upper-management all the way down to the AM players. On another note: I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. Just because vVv Gaming hasn't accomplished anything in Starcraft 2 doesn't mean they don't dominate a ton of other games. They're the biggest gaming team in the world and the only team that comes close to the amount of teams that travel to events is Dignitas.
LOL where did you come up with this? I'm really curious to know how you can make such a claim saying we're nothing but egotistical teenagers when you don't even know us. Now I can't speak for the rest of vVv and what they've done but in regards to the academy team we've always had a positive attitude in what we do and this so called "popularity contest" is absurd. If it was solely based on skill, why would I even be apart of it considering I'm only a high platinum/low diamond player? We even have a guy who is a gold player and we had a kid who was in bronze until he focused more on LoL. In regards to players being disrespectful again I can't speak for the rest of vVv but I know when it comes to the Aspire team, BabyToss and Salvor would never allow a person to be on the team if they weren't well mannered and respectful. So until you can back up some sort of claim on how the academy players (not players on the old sponsored team) are supposedly negative and bad mannered, this needs to stop.
*Edit: Then I just read your comment about Halo and MLG and realized you really don't have a clue on what you're talking about
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On January 29 2013 21:45 Tabashi wrote:
vVv is killing eSports!
No... just no. I think you're just mad they closed their SC2 division in favor of other games. This statement sounds rather ignorant but that's just my opinion.
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Might be good if the OP could include a list of the players because I think a lot of us don't even know who was on this team.
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I had no idea vVv still had sc2 players.
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On January 30 2013 01:24 Limelights wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 00:58 pb.fcnz wrote:
They have always been a joke of an organization to most people involved in eSports. They came from a console fps background, so not much else should have been expected. These guys who manage vVv have never learned the ropes of eSports before plunging into it. Like most console gamers, they thought they knew it all because they had sent a few teams to MLG to play in some garbage console fps (before MLG dropped the Halo nonsense and picked up SC2 as it's first non-joke game). Woah, I know many people that compete in console shooters that are respectable people. Also, Halo isn't a joke, or at least wasn't before Starcraft came along and stole the show. If it wasn't for Halo, MLG would've eventually collapsed. Halo was their staple game for 6 years.
MLG was nothing until SC2...
While MLG was squandering venture capital giving emotional payouts (ie Sundance <3's Halo and ran MLG at a loss for years paying for players in a game that brought in no money), CS 1.6 and Q3 were featured in 95% of FPS tournaments and handing out 20000000000x more cash than MLG could dream of at the time.
While people like Jerith might not like history lessons, because they might contradict their "facts" and his twisted vision of "esports", back when MLG focused on consoles, CPL, WCG, ESWC, WEG, were the only names that mattered in FPS.
And then for a good laugh you'd youtube a clip of some 14 year old trying pathetically to aim with a joystick taking like 3 seconds to get his xhair on someone in halo or some shitty rainbow six XBOX title on MLG.
Sure, more people game on consoles than on pc's at the moment, but more people also believe in the bible than there are atheists. Does that excuse them for being dumb? Not in my opinion.
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And to those who think MLG is in the business of making sound decisions, you might be amazed to learn that they just announced a new FPS title for next season.
Get ready for it .....
... PLANETSIDE 2
Yep. Not even trolling.
So whoever thinks MLG is some staple of credibility needs to reassess what is a good business decision and what is a fluke based on past decisions.
We got "lucky" that MLG picked up SC2, but it was probably their only smart decision since opening their doors. Halo, WoW, PS2, RB6 ... MLG is in the business of making a joke out of eSports and hopefully some day cash in on the wave if it goes mainstream.
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But they recruit new players yesterday ? T_T
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On January 30 2013 01:50 BabyToss! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 01:37 Split Behemoth wrote:
Didn't even known that team was proffessional. Bad thing to see another team disband like that even if it's a small one. vVv Gaming has lost it's semi-pro lineup after Glon, Daisuki, RockEr and SeoHyun left. SC2 had a community lineup (which sadly caused some bad reputation as well, with some of their members having a bad attitude due to lack of proper organization and order) and an Academy lineup, which was led by me, later on, another Academy Squad was put up by a fellow teammate; with the goal of accomodating those, who wished to pursue SC2 in more serious way than the SC2 community members. I'm sorry if there was any confusion about that. Sadly, despite of us telling the upper vVv Management they should try some more to spread into SC2 scene & rebuild a proper A team, we were not even taken into consideration and all their visible efforts were put into LoL, especially since LordJerith has taken a position in Riot. And sadly, the latest recruit NuBrGNi ended up the way he did; with promises, which were not fulfilled; despite of fulfilling every requirement the upper management had on him and it was actually a last straw for our Academy and whole SC2 division causing us to leave. So, combined with lack of interest in the SC2 community, the game itself and that, I think it's pretty much good reason to leave. Not to mention the notoriously bad reputation vVv Gaming had => to make you understand, it is hard to see the real problem of the organization, unless you are really working with the upper management. They are deeply sat on their own truths and logical arguments are not taken under consideration without you getting belittled and eventually being called "toxic". The moment you disagree with them, you "complain". I just wish, that we had more chances to prove ourselves as a decent, passionate SC2 players to the SC2 community, but it just seems that the stamp of vVv's bad reputation simply stayed with us, no matter how much organization & passion there was in the Academy Team.
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I just want to address the part where you say that we had unfulfilled promises to NuBrGNi. We told Salvor (SC2 Manager) to ask him for an estimate on his flight for Dallas (which is routine for every event), this led him to the assumption that we were covering his flight. "i just assumed i was attendin dallas cause he came up to me with the topic" direct quote from my convo with John (NuBrGNi) from skype, this whole thing is has a lot of details that simply are not true. The issue with Glon was that we were transitioning between SC2 management before Dallas and booked his flight later than usual, but everything that he was "promised" was delivered just like every other sponsored player vVv has worked with.
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On January 30 2013 02:09 robzgod wrote:
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I just want to address the part where you say that we had unfulfilled promises to NuBrGNi. We told Salvor (SC2 Manager) to ask him for an estimate on his flight for Dallas (which is routine for every event), this led him to the assumption that we were covering his flight. "i just assumed i was attendin dallas cause he came up to me with the topic" direct quote from my convo with John (NuBrGNi) from skype, this whole thing is has a lot of details that simply are not true. The issue with Glon was that we were transitioning between SC2 management before Dallas. We booked his flight later than usual because of this, but everything he was "promised" was delivered just like every other sponsored player vVv has worked with.
Well, I'm sure NuBrGNi will have something to say on this topic, don't want to speak entirely on his behalf.
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copy and pasted my post from the reddit thread:
I was on vVv way back in 2011, nice to see everyone coming out of the woodworks with experiences similar to my own.
Story time? Yeah lets do story time...
Way back in 2008-09, there was a great clan of friends on Iccup (broodwar) known as Team Funtastic. We had a vent and everything, just a bunch of guys who loved to play hangout and play starcraft.
FastForward to sc2 beta in early 2010 and we're thinking about getting serious (at least the more competitiveness among us such as me, blade murder etc.) We even changed our name to Quantum gaming and hired a guy to make a real site for us (before we were just using enjin). Our manager (who went on to become vVv Roar, first manager of vVv sc2 division) got us into contact with vVv around late 2010/early 2011 .
After some deliberation the majority of the team/clan decided to join vVv. It was a mistake...such a mistake. They only valued the best players of the team and the only worth of our non competitive was to advertise for vVv by posting in the forums (daily IIRC) and reposting twitter and facebook links. If you didn't do that you would be kicked out, a good number of funtastic/quantum left pretty quickly because they did not want to advertise...just wanted to play starcraft...
Everyone who was originally on quantum/funtastic ended up leaving vVv over time, Murder, Time, Allej, Me, Blade, and other good starcraft players whose names are escaping me atm.
You know Hots has clans... think I might restart Funtastic.
TL;DR vVv is not cool.
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Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions on MLG/Halo etc. but I really don't think this is the place to have that discussion.
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Post from LordJerith:
Watching this saddens me. A decision has been made. One that I whole-heartedly support. Any organization has to set priorities. Doom and Rob made an unpopular decision. Good. I applaud their courage in looking long-term and being smart enough to focus on what they feel most passionate about. My view on this:
-vVv should have dropped sc2 sooner
-focus on your passions. Rob and Doom are clearly passionate about LoL, shootmania and CoD
-the negativity and response from the sc2 community is no suprise
- the outright lies from some people who were in vVv, although sad to see, is not worth a response
So, the sc2 community now hates vVv. This is expected. Some people don't like how they handled it. This is also expected. This is the kind of call that always upsets people. Aspire left, they close.d the division. If it's important to stress that Aspire left, ok, consider it so stressed, lol.
The good news is vVv will benefit from Rob and Doom making tough calls, focusing the organization and supporting team titles like LoL, Shootmania and CoD. MICHS and FIFA also. I know they have great plans for 2013. This all will pass. The world moves on. Be kind to one another. Think before you post. Onward!
He's just so full of himself, I've hated this guy since I first heard him talk, and he just can't admit or even believe that he or vVv could do anything wrong. Kinda hilarious and also sad for those who work under him.
Also, I want to note - he notes that Aspire left, but praises his staff for making the tough call? Was it a tough call really to close a division that no longer had any players?
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On January 30 2013 02:09 robzgod wrote:
I just want to address the part where you say that we had unfulfilled promises to NuBrGNi. We told Salvor (SC2 Manager) to ask him for an estimate on his flight for Dallas (which is routine for every event), this led him to the assumption that we were covering his flight. "i just assumed i was attendin dallas cause he came up to me with the topic" direct quote from my convo with John (NuBrGNi) from skype, this whole thing is has a lot of details that simply are not true. The issue with Glon was that we were transitioning between SC2 management before Dallas and booked his flight later than usual, but everything that he was "promised" was delivered just like every other sponsored player vVv has worked with.
Well if John says else, just take a screen of the conversation and show it 
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