Their departing statement seemed really disrespectful and it's even worse that it's being shown that not only are they lying about the reasons for closing the sc2 division but also mis=-treated players and then on top of all that their manager is a dirtbag. Well time to boycott vvv gaming in the continued fight against asshole business men. I just hope no one good gets caught in the cross fire or get's anything unjust ala destiny.

Cattlecruiser

United States340 Posts

January 29 2013 13:08 GMT

#22

Honestly, I thought they were just a clan.

Haven't even seen their tag since 2011.
RuFF was an entertaining player.
I think they had Titan earlier in his career as well?
Can't say I'll miss them, but departure of teams isn't great news.

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

January 29 2013 13:10 GMT

#23

On January 29 2013 22:05 RodrigoX wrote:
Their departing statement seemed really disrespectful and it's even worse that it's being shown that not only are they lying about the reasons for closing the sc2 division but also mis=-treated players and then on top of all that their manager is a dirtbag. Well time to boycott vvv gaming in the continued fight against asshole business men. I just hope no one good gets caught in the cross fire or get's anything unjust ala destiny.

There are worse excuses made actually, one other team, which i can't recall who, said that the "Esports business model" did not work. What exactly is the "Esports business model" and how does it differ from the general advertisement/sponsorship model, how exactly did it not work, and if so why does so many other teams still profit, like TL, EG and so forth.

LuNa.

United States20 Posts

January 29 2013 13:10 GMT

#24

It shouldn't matter whether we're "known" players or academy players or even just community members. People were lied to, sponsored, academy and community members alike. I'm not saying everyone should feel bad for us, but they shouldn't say "well vVv is trash and their players are trash so who cares" either. We (the SC2 members that left) shouldn't catch the flak for things we had no part in.

-Kyo-

Japan1926 Posts

January 29 2013 13:11 GMT

#25

On January 29 2013 22:08 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Honestly, I thought they were just a clan.

Haven't even seen their tag since 2011.
RuFF was an entertaining player.
I think they had Titan earlier in his career as well?
Can't say I'll miss them, but departure of teams isn't great news.

Different Titan, but yes, he was probably their most notable player in terms of representing the team since the start. Was too bad he didn't play SC2 for long

After Titan departed it seems like the team constantly continued to fall.

mikkmagro

Malta1513 Posts

January 29 2013 13:11 GMT

#26

The fact that the management blames declining competitive support shows the true qualities of the organisation - clueless. I bet they get their knowledge of the industry off Reddit and Destiny. SC2 is, by far, the second biggest eSport title out there, and probably the biggest when it comes to third party support. If anything, just say the truth: that being noticeable in competitive SC2 is much more expensive than being noticeable in Shootmania or Call of Duty, but NOT that competitive support is 'continuing to decline' lol.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States45228 Posts

January 29 2013 13:11 GMT

#27

On January 29 2013 22:03 ineversmile wrote:
Good riddance to unprofessional team management;

good luck to the players themselves.

Completely agree. Hopefully, if the players are still deadset on pro-gaming, they'll find a new home with an environment more conducive to their interests and career goals, where they can become even better players than they already are.

looknohands119

United States815 Posts

January 29 2013 13:12 GMT

#28

Wait, I thought VVv shut down all of its operations for all games, Starcraft II and otherwise, just a few days after they signed NuBrGNi...

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

January 29 2013 13:12 GMT

#29

ahh ya, Titan I remember, too bad he quit.

bayaka

Canada102 Posts

January 29 2013 13:14 GMT

#30

Usually try to refrain from talking junk about teams, especially after something like this, but they seriously won't be missed. Most of the encounters with guys on their team have been pretty negative, at least according to anybody I've talked to.

lordvnm

Germany45 Posts

January 29 2013 13:18 GMT

#31

And nothing of value was lost...

Martijn

Netherlands1219 Posts

January 29 2013 13:19 GMT

#32

On January 29 2013 21:30 Solarsail wrote:
If anyone wants to know what the team's manager is like:

"Top 5" rants from this guy from the VVV show. Skip through it and it'll be obvious.

God that moron makes me angry. Incompetent retard.

Organisations like vVv makes the other teams in the community look like straight-up gifts from god.

followZeRoX

Serbia1451 Posts

January 29 2013 13:22 GMT

#33

Why the hell they signed that guy just few days before closing division.

TemujinGK

United States483 Posts

January 29 2013 13:24 GMT

#34

Well this is just shitty by vVv. Sucks to hear another team dying, but for a tree to grow large and strong a few branches must be pruned.

revel8

United Kingdom3022 Posts

January 29 2013 13:31 GMT

#35

It is sad to see another team fall apart through poor management. Makes it even more ludicrous how people in the community bash EG considering they fully support and promote their players and actually pay them their agreed salaries. More and more stories keep coming to light that many other teams do not manage this. It is clear the community needs more teams like EG and less teams like vVv and Apex.

Glurkenspurk

United States1915 Posts

January 29 2013 13:37 GMT

#36

Every person involved with vvv I've ever met has either been a complete bm dick, or someone who has pretty much accepted the organization is terrible and going nowhere.

I actually feel bad for the few members drawn into this crap. Noobrogini or w/e his name is seems like a pretty cool guy from the few times I've seen him in chat channels. It's really sad that more and more teams seem to pop up with no clue wtf they are doing.

I think the worst thing about this is it's just another blow to the (already) tiny NA scene. It's hard enough to get on a decent team with the poor infrastructure we have now, and with vvv being one of the larger teams (how sad is that?) all it does it make NA seem like more of a failure.

JDStrafe

United States12 Posts

January 29 2013 13:39 GMT

#37

Man I told you on the mTw post, Blizzard needs to get their act together before SC2 is gone from competitive gaming. I hate to say it but I think Destiny was right; the just isn't going to pull in the numbers because there isn't a big enough "casual gamer" fan base.

thezanursic

5497 Posts

January 29 2013 13:39 GMT

#38

mTw, vVv who is next?

Glurkenspurk

United States1915 Posts

January 29 2013 13:39 GMT

#39

On January 29 2013 22:39 JDStrafe wrote:
Man I told you on the mTw post, Blizzard needs to get their act together before SC2 is gone from competitive gaming. I hate to say it but I think Destiny was right; the just isn't going to pull in the numbers because there isn't a big enough "casual gamer" fan base.

That's far from the reason why mTw and vVv shut down. In fact, it's not related in any way.

Management was the problem for both of those.

ThomasjServo

15244 Posts

January 29 2013 13:43 GMT

#40

I remember in 2010 watching vVvRuff's stream in classes, but they weren't extraordinarily relevant to the scene anymore as a team anymore. As far as I know in LoL they aren't precisely the creme de la creme either. I think the best way I have heard this put is the SC2 division left vVv not the other way around. We'll see what happens to their line up.