On January 29 2013 22:39 JDStrafe wrote: Man I told you on the mTw post, Blizzard needs to get their act together before SC2 is gone from competitive gaming. I hate to say it but I think Destiny was right; the just isn't going to pull in the numbers because there isn't a big enough "casual gamer" fan base.
Did you read anything in this thread at all? You couldn't be further away from relevant if you tried.
Odds are, and this is pure speculation, SteelSeries gave them the financial finger when they moved around a lot of their sponsorship recently. In this case, I couldn't blame them the slightest. Incompetence abound.
On January 29 2013 22:08 Cattlecruiser wrote: Honestly, I thought they were just a clan.
Haven't even seen their tag since 2011. RuFF was an entertaining player. I think they had Titan earlier in his career as well? Can't say I'll miss them, but departure of teams isn't great news.
Different Titan, but yes, he was probably their most notable player in terms of representing the team since the start. Was too bad he didn't play SC2 for long After Titan departed it seems like the team constantly continued to fall.
Ah, I see one is Russian and the other American. I remember in one of the earlier MLGs Titan was a strong candidate to impress.
With HoTS, I hope that North American scene will stabilize to more teams like clarity instead of these small groups of clan type organizations.
On January 29 2013 22:39 JDStrafe wrote: Man I told you on the mTw post, Blizzard needs to get their act together before SC2 is gone from competitive gaming. I hate to say it but I think Destiny was right; the just isn't going to pull in the numbers because there isn't a big enough "casual gamer" fan base.
That's far from the reason why mTw and vVv shut down. In fact, it's not related in any way.
Management was the problem for both of those.
No he is right, if Blizzard actually solved the problems they would have time over to go into these teams and run them for them since the teams themselves obviously don't know what they are doing. Dustin could had run mTv and David Kim could had taken over vVv and everything would had been fine. I blame this on Blizzard as well
Man this is weird. I mean a community disbanding is incredibly rare. vVv was not a team, but a community, and the fact they disbanded means that there was probably some insanely weird inhouse problems.
I remember how I was forced to leave because I couldn't afford my MLG trip back in March 2011. They had a really nice team spirit and we meshed very well for the 1 week that lasted. The management was a joke and it was really unfortunate.
On January 29 2013 23:11 FXOdesRow wrote: I remember how I was forced to leave because I couldn't afford my MLG trip back in March 2011. They had a really nice team spirit and we meshed very well for the 1 week that lasted. The management was a joke and it was really unfortunate.
Forced to leave because you couldn't afford the trip? Wow.
I had saw this coming since a lot of people I had met were from vVv and they all complained about the poor management, and how the old values of vVv were never kept.
On January 29 2013 23:11 Shellshock1122 wrote: I thought this team already died months ago
This, they died off from the scene early 2012. They used to do a lot of streaming but I guess losing the organization isn't a huge ordeal. Still sad about the players though.
On January 29 2013 22:39 JDStrafe wrote: Man I told you on the mTw post, Blizzard needs to get their act together before SC2 is gone from competitive gaming. I hate to say it but I think Destiny was right; the just isn't going to pull in the numbers because there isn't a big enough "casual gamer" fan base.
So it's Blizzards fault that small teams aren't supporting their players or eSports titles enough and are then closing? vVv has had poor management for ages, and it's no wonder that they're closing their SC2 division. In the case of vvv and mTw they failed to invest in their SC2 teams. It's not Blizzard's job to invest in a the SC2 divisions of teams, it's the team's job. What do you think is going to happen if you take SC2 players, or any eSports players on to your team and then just leave them sit there to rot without investing in them? The team isn't going to last.
Destiny doesn't have anything to do with small teams disbanding either. His points were that Blizzard needs to do more to make their game casual friendly and they have added some positive casual player aspects to HotS that give them something to do while the rest of us play ladder and watch pro players play or whatever. Destiny's points were directed at the interests of casual PLAYERS, not casual teams. There is a huge difference there. The people Destiny's rant was for have likely never heard of either VVV or mTw.
I can see this happening more often as smaller teams find out that LoL has a much bigger market than SC2 right now and don't need to be to players to get 5k+ viewers on stream.
Wait, what is happening Hyuna and the vVv academy team? Are they leaving too? This is so sad, these guys were my favorite team to watch stream . That management is depressing, I hate the fact that they say they were spread too thin when it sounds like they just had a lot of apathy.
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After Titan departed it seems like the team constantly continued to fall.
