EPTvVv gaming closes SC2 division - Page 7
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
Even though star2 may not be doing as well as other titles. LoL is going strong and and continuing to advance esports as a whole. | ||
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Spectralx
United States198 Posts
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FoShao
United States256 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
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Zygno
Austria276 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:17 FoShao wrote: vVv? never heard of em' but now it seems obvious why. Bad team. I didn't hear anything about them too until this, but no need to hate. There must me a lot of people being interested in vVv, otherwise i can't imagine why this news is featured. Well, good luck unknown team! | ||
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MurDeRsc2
133 Posts
I don't have too much to say about this, but I feel I should say a few things since I was the captain of the team when I was there. I had a mostly positive experience with Jerith and Doom. As I would have expected, most of the posts here are negative, so I am trying to stay positive in light of what others have said. I hope I am not making myself a target by defending them. I had the opportunity to meet Jerry and Doom (Jordan) many times. I visited them on a few occasions and had the pleasure of staying with them in their guest room when I visited Chicago. They are intellectual, fun, and genuine people. That doesn't make them perfect. They are both good people who try to do the right thing. At the end of the day, it is their money at stake if the organization (vVv) fails or starts to lose money, so it is unreasonable for anyone to tell them how to spend money. In my opinion, however, vVv's failure was due to lack of money to help sponsor and encourage players. Other teams were more willing to commit financially, vVv tried to spend as few pennies as possible. I am grateful for the sponsorship they gave to me, but definately acknowledge that other teams had more significant benefits and often (in my opinion) "lesser" players were getting more than I/we were. I don't think anything done by the vVv management was malicious or intended. The SC2 division had troubles from its very inception and never materialized into what many of us had initially dreamed. WIth all that said, I think its good that vVv is moving on from SC2. NOTE: I am not commenting on the current drama with the Aspire team or NubrGNi. I do not know Babytoss or NubrrGNi. I am talking on my experiences which were before them. I acknowledge that many people have been negatively affected but believe, again, that it wasn't intended or malicious. vVv may not have always done 100% "right" by me but I genuinely believe they tried and intended to do so. I have no hard feelings when its all said and done. Finally, I'd like to make a shoutout to all the Funtastic/Quantum/vVv guys I met and played with while I was there. Roar was our first manager and really did a good job at getting our first good recruits and forming the team that would form Quantum from Funtastic. We were a team of friends. I miss you guys/those times. Sugarbear eventually took over and is an awesome guy who doesn't get enough credit. I don't want to start naming players because there were so many but you know who you are. At the end of the day, I choose to reflect on the good times. I know that everyone who was in vVv got something good out of it, even if it was brief or insignificant. EDIT: Special shoutout to my best friend Noxie because he got insecure when I did not mention him specifically. | ||
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ShotgunMike
Sweden241 Posts
The statement on the SC2 scene just sucks. Shows how little they know. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 30 2013 03:31 Burns wrote: If you wanted to be optimistic you could say that Even though star2 may not be doing as well as other titles. LoL is going strong and and continuing to advance esports as a whole. Or we are just one year ahead of LoL and their teams will be self destructing soon enough. It is only a matter of time. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
On January 30 2013 04:33 MurDeRsc2 wrote: I played for vVv for a few years, I was vVvMurDeR. I don't have too much to say about this, but I feel I should say a few things since I was the captain of the team when I was there. I had a mostly positive experience with Jerith and Doom. As I would have expected, most of the posts here are negative, so I am trying to stay positive in light of what others have said. I hope I am not making myself a target by defending them. I had the opportunity to meet Jerry and Doom (Jordan) many times. I visited them on a few occasions and had the pleasure of staying with them in their guest room when I visited Chicago. They are intellectual, fun, and genuine people. That doesn't make them perfect. They are both good people who try to do the right thing. At the end of the day, it is their money at stake if the organization (vVv) fails or starts to lose money, so it is unreasonable for anyone to tell them how to spend money. In my opinion, however, vVv's failure was due to lack of money to help sponsor and encourage players. Other teams were more willing to commit financially, vVv tried to spend as few pennies as possible. I am grateful for the sponsorship they gave to me, but definately acknowledge that other teams had more significant benefits and often (in my opinion) "lesser" players were getting more than I/we were. I don't think anything done by the vVv management was malicious or intended. The SC2 division had troubles from its very inception and never materialized into what many of us had initially dreamed. WIth all that said, I think its good that vVv is moving on from SC2. NOTE: I am not commenting on the current drama with the Aspire team or NubrGNi. I do not know Babytoss or NubrrGNi. I am talking on my experiences which were before them. I acknowledge that many people have been negatively affected but believe, again, that it wasn't intended or malicious. vVv may not have always done 100% "right" by me but I genuinely believe they tried and intended to do so. I have no hard feelings when its all said and done. Finally, I'd like to make a shoutout to all the Funtastic/Quantum/vVv guys I met and played with while I was there. Roar was our first manager and really did a good job at getting our first good recruits and forming the team that would form Quantum from Funtastic. We were a team of friends. I miss you guys/those times. Sugarbear eventually took over and is an awesome guy who doesn't get enough credit. I don't want to start naming players because there were so many but you know who you are. At the end of the day, I choose to reflect on the good times. I know that everyone who was in vVv got something good out of it, even if it was brief or insignificant. vVv Made me meet this fool. Who as stands today is still one of my best friends. Regardless of them doing anything right or wrong, Im happy that we were always a team of friends when we originally got picked up after the release of the game. | ||
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rockahn
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Homework
United States283 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On January 30 2013 05:04 rockahn wrote: did they have an "excellent run". This might be sugarcoating it a bit, but it is sad that another team is disbanded albeit a lower tier team They had a strong presence on the NA ladder around beta/launch and shortly after. I hadn't heard much from them recently, in fact I didn't even know they still had an sc2 division. But yeah, it's sad to see another sc2 team bite the dust. At this point it seems like it would be far easier to count how many pro teams still exist compared to how many have disbanded. The sc2 ship is sinking fast  At least LoL is still going strong in esports, and Dota 2 is making some splashes as well. | ||
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IcariumJhag
United States21 Posts
On January 29 2013 21:19 LunaSea wrote: LordJerith won't be missed. Lol, I don't think he is going anywhere. Next time there is drama with TL he will come right back. I mean you only had to look at his twitter feed to know this team was doomed no matter what. | ||
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MurDeRsc2
133 Posts
Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty confident Jerry is doing just fine. I believe he is truly a passionate supporter of e-sports and gaming in general. I truly believe he tried his best with a model he knew; He had a specific vision and he's a stubborn guy. He wanted things done his way because of his strong vision. Personally, I don't fault him there. It was, afterall, HIS organization. Trust me, I disagreed with many things while I played for him, but I always respected him. You guys don't know any stubborn people? Some may argue he is "stuck in his ways" or as I would put it stubborn and there's some truth in that but I know plenty of people that are stubborn and ignorant and no one that knows Jerry in any real way would not call him ignorant. The man is successful and has put his money into growing a gaming organization and through the organization has undeniably aided many gamers of all walks of life. How many of us can say that? As individuals, I mean. Again, I have not been part of the team for a long time. I do not know what has occured in the past few months. I want to shed light on the positive, though, because there is only negative wherever I look. Most of what I have read, however, is basically just general hate towards vVv/Jerry/"Management." The amount of anger has surprised me. | ||
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SlayerOfYou
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Mirosuu
England283 Posts
What's even worse about this decision is that they have to pay MORE players to travel to events to do equally as bad as their players did in SC2 (no offense to the vVv guys who participated in SC2, i'm just going on the results). So technically, they're paying MORE money out, to fly a team of guys (5 + any backroom guys needed to support the players) to do arguably equal or worse in terms of results and exposure for the team and their sponsors, and then fuck over their SC2 players because LoL seems a better choice for their so called management. I just don't understand how this could be in any way a better investment for a team that's probably not swimming in money or has massive backers or thousands of fans. SC2 is cheaper and still very very viable for any up and coming teams if you do the right things. You can't just put a team out and expect them to just win tournaments nowadays for SC2. It's matured, so you need to mature as management and be smart about your investments, whether it be in random free-agent Koreans, or a good up-and-comer from NA sevrer (everyone loves a Scarlett story when it comes to tournaments). Meh, they made their mind up, and burned some bridges along with it. I don't expect many people here or on reddit to give them much forgiveness if they ever come back to SC2 after this. | ||
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LiquidSlick
United States33 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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