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On January 30 2013 05:44 MurDeRsc2 wrote:
Last I heard Jerry got what was probably a dream job for him at Riot.
Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty confident Jerry is doing just fine.
I believe he is truly a passionate supporter of e-sports and gaming in general. I truly believe he tried his best with a model he knew; He had a specific vision and he's a stubborn guy. He wanted things done his way because of his strong vision. Personally, I don't fault him there. It was, afterall, HIS organization. Trust me, I disagreed with many things while I played for him, but I always respected him.
You guys don't know any stubborn people? Some may argue he is "stuck in his ways" or as I would put it stubborn and there's some truth in that but I know plenty of people that are stubborn and ignorant and no one that knows Jerry in any real way would not call him ignorant. The man is successful and has put his money into growing a gaming organization and through the organization has undeniably aided many gamers of all walks of life. How many of us can say that? As individuals, I mean.
Again, I have not been part of the team for a long time. I do not know what has occured in the past few months. I want to shed light on the positive, though, because there is only negative wherever I look.
Most of what I have read, however, is basically just general hate towards vVv/Jerry/"Management." The amount of anger has surprised me.
It really shouldn't. I know most of the vVv players hated jerith and vVv in general hence why most left. I know even before I had left other players didn't like it they just didn't leave like I did. It's good you didn't have as negative view from them but I knew the guy was an idiot hence why i left and the other people who keep saying they wish they had left sooner.
They were awful for sc2 and didn't do much at all. I do miss the days though when we were all a team still wish we hadn't joined vVv though :D
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They just picked up a player to wtf
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I still don't think you can blame this one on their "focus on LoL". I looked into it and their squad is mediocre at best, you can't build a team around it. There's no hope for the vVv LoL squad to achieve anything meaningful.
I'm (purely speculating) thinking this is an effect of the SteelSeries budget shifts and they're just too proud to admit there's next to no sponsor income and they depend on private capital. It just adds up. We'll probably never know.
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Jerry's posts seems to contradict some of the player's statements. They insist that they left, which I can totally see from their perspective. It really makes it hard for me to take him seriously and professionally when he makes a post such as this..
+ Show Spoiler +Watching this saddens me. A decision has been made. One that I whole-heartedly support. Any organization has to set priorities. Doom and Rob made an unpopular decision. Good. I applaud their courage in looking long-term and being smart enough to focus on what they feel most passionate about. My view on this:
-vVv should have dropped sc2 sooner
-focus on your passions. Rob and Doom are clearly passionate about LoL, shootmania and CoD
-the negativity and response from the sc2 community is no suprise
- the outright lies from some people who were in vVv, although sad to see, is not worth a response
So, the sc2 community now hates vVv. This is expected. Some people don't like how they handled it. This is also expected. This is the kind of call that always upsets people. Aspire left, they close.d the division. If it's important to stress that Aspire left, ok, consider it so stressed, lol.
The good news is vVv will benefit from Rob and Doom making tough calls, focusing the organization and supporting team titles like LoL, Shootmania and CoD. MICHS and FIFA also. I know they have great plans for 2013. This all will pass. The world moves on. Be kind to one another. Think before you post. Onward!
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On January 30 2013 03:51 Spectralx wrote:
I have been quite untill now but I would also back up the fact vVv is all about it's self. I left vVv Because i was a reason to join. Not saying im big stuff but MANY vVv members, SonTran being one, joined because them saw me and thought "if they support a disabled gamer,they must be pretty diverse." Wrong. vVv Has done nothing but hook me up with the amazing staff at SteelSeries who where amazing and helped and wanted to help me find better gear. I saw the abuse of a community feeding them hope of doing something bigger then themselves for the community. It was a facade.
Yes Spectral, I did join vVv because we are great friends and I figured that becoming teammates would be awesome, but when you left, I didn't know wether to go as well, or stay with BabyToss and the academy
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On January 30 2013 08:44 Sovano wrote:Jerry's posts seems to contradict some of the player's statements. They insist that they left, which I can totally see from their perspective. It really makes it hard for me to take him seriously and professionally when he makes a post such as this.. + Show Spoiler +Watching this saddens me. A decision has been made. One that I whole-heartedly support. Any organization has to set priorities. Doom and Rob made an unpopular decision. Good. I applaud their courage in looking long-term and being smart enough to focus on what they feel most passionate about. My view on this:
-vVv should have dropped sc2 sooner
-focus on your passions. Rob and Doom are clearly passionate about LoL, shootmania and CoD
-the negativity and response from the sc2 community is no suprise
- the outright lies from some people who were in vVv, although sad to see, is not worth a response
So, the sc2 community now hates vVv. This is expected. Some people don't like how they handled it. This is also expected. This is the kind of call that always upsets people. Aspire left, they close.d the division. If it's important to stress that Aspire left, ok, consider it so stressed, lol.
The good news is vVv will benefit from Rob and Doom making tough calls, focusing the organization and supporting team titles like LoL, Shootmania and CoD. MICHS and FIFA also. I know they have great plans for 2013. This all will pass. The world moves on. Be kind to one another. Think before you post. Onward!
Is it worth it for the time it takes for me to go find the countless skype logs/emails outlining the "Outright Lies" Jerry speaks of? I'm not sure... maybe this weekend - really busy with school at the moment. However, I might not even have to, as enough people have come out ALL SAYING THE SAME THING that I think people are convinced. Lol that administration...
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If it wasn't a bannable offense, someone should post the Iraq "it's all fine" meme picture...
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This is what the queen patch has done to sc2. Good job. Not surprised it's shrinking. As a terran, I've not watched a single game since it had become evident the queen patch had removed the game from sc2.
User was banned for this post.
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On January 30 2013 10:05 HHNitro wrote:
This is what the queen patch has done to sc2. Good job. Not surprised it's shrinking. As a terran, I've not watched a single game since it had become evident the queen patch had removed the game from sc2.
Trying to figure out how queen patch has to do with vVv shutting down sc2 division LOL.
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I spent about a year straight looking for a decent clan. Eventually I realized they were all shit and destined to disband in short time, and that they were all a waste of time. Over and over my assessment is confirmed.
The only clans worth joining are pro clans. Everything else is a flash in the pan.
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lots of sc2 teams seem to be shutting down atm..
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On January 30 2013 10:09 Actinium_ wrote:
lots of sc2 teams seem to be shutting down atm..
and a lot seem to be opening too, Axiom, Azubu, Clarity. Its the nature of business. vVv had the writing on the wall for a long time. They never really really hit the sc2 scene. They would have some talented players (Glon and others), but lets be real about what vVv was in sc2. A very small clan.
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Actually, I believe a higher percentage of people on Twitch watch SC2 than LoL... 54% to 50% I believe  just saying...
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On January 30 2013 10:33 ke_ivan wrote:Actually, I believe a higher percentage of people on Twitch watch SC2 than LoL... 54% to 50% I believe just saying...
What? http://www.twitch.tv/directory
At any given time, day or night, LoL is over triple sc2's viewer count. 1 TSM members generally gains 20k + viewers on a daily basis. The most popular sc2 players in the entire world don't even get close to that amount of viewers.
Right now there are 66k viewers for LoL, 15k for sc2. And that's WITH IPTL premier going on, there aren't any events for LoL (which regularly gather over 150k viewers).
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Never heard of vVv in SC2 and I follow most relevant tournaments.
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Well, I haven't heard from vVv since Ruff left so...
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I was on vVv up until the end (vVvInfested) and they completly screwed us over. They announced a sponsorship for one of the players, literally a month later, revoked it. We all left and formed our own team.
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KILL 'EM ALL AND LET THE NORSE GODS SORT 'EM OUT !!
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On January 29 2013 22:05 RodrigoX wrote:
Their departing statement seemed really disrespectful and it's even worse that it's being shown that not only are they lying about the reasons for closing the sc2 division but also mis=-treated players and then on top of all that their manager is a dirtbag. Well time to boycott vvv gaming in the continued fight against asshole business men. I just hope no one good gets caught in the cross fire or get's anything unjust ala destiny.
I hate to be the disrespective, capitalist "dickhole" around here guys...but that is life. As a 30 year old in the finance world, this is reality. Is it unfair? Can it be disrepectful? Hell yes. But it comes down to money and I honestly think anyone who thinks they have a career long term (meaning 5-10+) years in the gaming world should have a plan. Look at InControl. He is obviously not the best gamer in EG but he markets himself, has a English degree, and can easily transition out of being a player into casting (EG or no EG). There are too many people bashing vVv when it is a business decision; weather or not you think it was tactful is a different conversation - talk to their PR/Intercompany relations manager. But playing video games for a living is high level risk; many should learn to acknowledge that fact.
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