Watching this saddens me. A decision has been made. One that I whole-heartedly support. Any organization has to set priorities. Doom and Rob made an unpopular decision. Good. I applaud their courage in looking long-term and being smart enough to focus on what they feel most passionate about. My view on this:
-vVv should have dropped sc2 sooner -focus on your passions. Rob and Doom are clearly passionate about LoL, shootmania and CoD -the negativity and response from the sc2 community is no suprise - the outright lies from some people who were in vVv, although sad to see, is not worth a response
So, the sc2 community now hates vVv. This is expected. Some people don't like how they handled it. This is also expected. This is the kind of call that always upsets people. Aspire left, they close.d the division. If it's important to stress that Aspire left, ok, consider it so stressed, lol.
The good news is vVv will benefit from Rob and Doom making tough calls, focusing the organization and supporting team titles like LoL, Shootmania and CoD. MICHS and FIFA also. I know they have great plans for 2013. This all will pass. The world moves on. Be kind to one another. Think before you post. Onward!
He's just so full of himself, I've hated this guy since I first heard him talk, and he just can't admit or even believe that he or vVv could do anything wrong. Kinda hilarious and also sad for those who work under him.
The dude has the IQ of a small puppy, what do you expect.
Lol, how does this degenerate mongoloid thinks it make sense to drop SC2 but keep Shootmania, CoD, MICHS and FIFA who all get nowhere close to the viewers SC2 brings in. And he dares call some of the pioneers of this industry "fucking losers".
It's ok though, now that vVv has exited the big leagues, we can go back to forgetting this team even exist
And quite literally, nothing of value was lost. Shit organization, shit dealings and "profesionalism." The community could do with less of that anyway.
On January 30 2013 02:36 fireforce7 wrote: Another team bites the dust... when will it end
Never. Every team that has ever been formed will eventually come to an end.
VVV was really more of a clan than a team, it's not even really news worthy. This is just slightly bigger than a random quartet that meets on weekends breaking up.
vVv was never anything more then a large 'clan type' organization. The only thing that really set them apart from average clan A of a bunch of friends or whatever, is they had a bit of money to throw around. I've personally been part of these organizations before and ultimately the problem they all run into is the same. You don't have 'professionals' running a team with the goal of building a product. You have hobbyists/semi-professionals running a team with the goal to have a large community.
In such a situation as above, you can have dramatic shifts in management and direction of the organization. This because the loyalty of the organization is a popularity contest for them. If your game is not popular with the community you are likely to lose support. If your game is not likely to bring in lots of new members, your game is likely to lose support. The loyalty in these groups does not lie with their 'pro' players, and never probably will.
Where vVv in my opinion went wrong is by trying to appear to be a serious team when they aren't. It leads to false expectations by the players they bring in that the players are joining a serious team environment. For the reasons above they simply are not joining that type of environment. For better or worse somewhere along the line it was clearly not made apparent by vVv to these players what type of organization they were getting involved with.
im folloowing the Lol-Scene but vVv is not at all into that game at all (or only as a funclan) How did they spend their time into Lol if even me dont know them from league ?
Viewer Discretion already has a spot not worried. But I agree not much to go on about. They pulled the plug and will slowing now fall off cause I don't think they have a LoL team to support them. Should look forward to the future of New teams coming out and ones like Clarity really making an impact on 2013.
Hilariously poor management of players and direction for the team overall, this only serves to help the poor players under vVv get out of that sinking ship. It only stinks that they are team-less, but better to be team-less than be in a team that has no interest in your game or your future.
"Starcraft 2 is shrinking" also made me chuckle a bit, but we can let them believe what they want to believe.
I've followed their podcast for a bit, and let me tell you, those guys and especially their leader, Lord Jerith IIRC, are more ready to call anyone who disagrees with them a idiot and ignore any points he might make. The "if you disagree you must be 15 years old and clueless about gaming" type thing. About as closed-minded as community managers get in terms of esports, IMO. Was this associated? Maybe, maybe not. But I hope the players find a better team.
On January 30 2013 01:37 Split Behemoth wrote: Didn't even known that team was proffessional. Bad thing to see another team disband like that even if it's a small one.
vVv Gaming has lost it's semi-pro lineup after Glon, Daisuki, RockEr and SeoHyun left.
SC2 had a community lineup (which sadly caused some bad reputation as well, with some of their members having a bad attitude due to lack of proper organization and order) and an Academy lineup, which was led by me, later on, another Academy Squad was put up by a fellow teammate; with the goal of accomodating those, who wished to pursue SC2 in more serious way than the SC2 community members. I'm sorry if there was any confusion about that.
Sadly, despite of us telling the upper vVv Management they should try some more to spread into SC2 scene & rebuild a proper A team, we were not even taken into consideration and all their visible efforts were put into LoL, especially since LordJerith has taken a position in Riot. And sadly, the latest recruit NuBrGNi ended up the way he did; with promises, which were not fulfilled; despite of fulfilling every requirement the upper management had on him and it was actually a last straw for our Academy and whole SC2 division causing us to leave. So, combined with lack of interest in the SC2 community, the game itself and that, I think it's pretty much good reason to leave.
Not to mention the notoriously bad reputation vVv Gaming had => to make you understand, it is hard to see the real problem of the organization, unless you are really working with the upper management. They are deeply sat on their own truths and logical arguments are not taken under consideration without you getting belittled and eventually being called "toxic". The moment you disagree with them, you "complain".
I just wish, that we had more chances to prove ourselves as a decent, passionate SC2 players to the SC2 community, but it just seems that the stamp of vVv's bad reputation simply stayed with us, no matter how much organization & passion there was in the Academy Team.
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I just want to address the part where you say that we had unfulfilled promises to NuBrGNi. We told Salvor (SC2 Manager) to ask him for an estimate on his flight for Dallas (which is routine for every event), this led him to the assumption that we were covering his flight. "i just assumed i was attendin dallas cause he came up to me with the topic" direct quote from my convo with John (NuBrGNi) from skype, this whole thing is has a lot of details that simply are not true. The issue with Glon was that we were transitioning between SC2 management before Dallas and booked his flight later than usual, but everything that he was "promised" was delivered just like every other sponsored player vVv has worked with.
Lying to try and cover up for your team, nice job. And no I can tell you that none of the sponsored players on vVv got what they were actually promissed, they all got screwed over. Especially titan who was conned by jerry into staying with vVv when he had a contract with complexity, jerry then took away all that was promissed to titan siting some bullshit such as "didnt perform well enough at his one mlg."
I see this as a shame for all involved. All of my experiences with vVv Members has been positive ones, (BabyToss, Glon, and Astro in particular).
Good luck to the players & members who made vVv great... and as a message to the community, please try not to be too critical of this situation, no one anywhere likes to see their dreams die. regardless of the reason or situation.
Just read the previous messages. It's so fun to see people thinking there is only USA in the esport world. Besides of that, all that times spended for discussing about a sc2-retirement from a minor team really surprise me, if you want to discuss about a true loss to esport you can talk about mTw !
Seriously, i didn't know any "actual" or ex VVV player who, at a moment, had some good result in a tournament. Talking about lack of serious from a clanwho was, obviously, not professional is jsut a waste of time no ?
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when will it end
