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On the last episode of thePulse from NASL in part 4, the second half of that discusses the January winrates in Korea, with this to say about the TvP winrates in Korea. Gretorp: "And in TvP?" Frodan: "Terran wins over 50 percent, 54 percent. So Terrans are beating Protoss." This is in Korea.
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On February 07 2013 14:18 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:09 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:06 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:05 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 13:23 tokicheese wrote:On February 07 2013 13:17 Scootaloo wrote:
Good gods, so what if terran is a bit underpowered right now? Worst that will happen is that people will switch over or stop playing, y'know, like always happens when a certain race is underpowered for a while, I know the feeling is really new for you terrans, but it's not the end of the world. Terran has been in the gutter for over a year... Saying "get over it" is not a healthy way to keep a game alive and it shots with the loss of interest in SC2. Blizz has demonstrated their horrible balancing skills over and over again and I don't expect it to start picking up any time soon even with HoTS. Terrans been in the gutter since May 2012, less than a year, and if MMA is anyone to go by the game is finally balanced again. Did MMA say that on stream or something? Said that in an interview with axiom/acer or something. I'll find it in a bit when i get back from work if someone else hasn't. Ok thank you. I'll look for it myself  I personally think that SC2's balance is decent since last couple of infestor nerfs. I just hope we will have a balanced Ro8, why not even Ro4, for last WoL GSL to prove me right :D. We could even dodge the now traditional and expected ZvZ finals, one can dream. There won't be. Theres only 1 Protoss in the ro16. Luckily its Parting who has nothing to do but practice for GSL. Anything but ro4 for Parting would be dodgy to me. Which by the way brings me to this, if Terran is so bad right now, why is there only a single Protoss in the ro16 in the best tournament in the world? How many tournaments have Protoss won in the last six months?
MC and Squirtle made it as well. There are 3 toss.
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On February 07 2013 14:32 Wingblade wrote:
On the last episode of thePulse from NASL in part 4, the second half of that discusses the January winrates in Korea, with this to say about the TvP winrates in Korea. Gretorp: "And in TvP?" Frodan: "Terran wins over 50 percent, 54 percent. So Terrans are beating Protoss." This is in Korea.
Yeah, I think Terran is generally favored in TvP if they can end the game or get a significant lead before 15 minutes or so. If Protoss and Terran enter the 15+ minute mark on even footing though, it becomes insanely hard for Terran to win. Thankfully doing damage / punishing greedy Protoss is a lot easier than doing the same vZ.
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On February 07 2013 15:39 Pursuit_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 14:32 Wingblade wrote:
On the last episode of thePulse from NASL in part 4, the second half of that discusses the January winrates in Korea, with this to say about the TvP winrates in Korea. Gretorp: "And in TvP?" Frodan: "Terran wins over 50 percent, 54 percent. So Terrans are beating Protoss." This is in Korea.
Yeah, I think Terran is generally favored in TvP if they can end the game or get a significant lead before 15 minutes or so. If Protoss and Terran enter the 15+ minute mark on even footing though, it becomes insanely hard for Terran to win. Thankfully doing damage / punishing greedy Protoss is a lot easier than doing the same vZ.
Currently in HotS, Terran is terrible early game vs protoss. Protoss has a shit ton amount of new all-ins and early game harass options thanks to the DT buff and the oracle. The mothership core can easily deny early game pushes like the two-rax and help defend from drop play with the time warp. Terrans, on the other hand, are left with hellbat drops.
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On February 07 2013 14:23 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 14:20 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:18 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:09 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:06 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:05 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 13:23 tokicheese wrote:On February 07 2013 13:17 Scootaloo wrote:
Good gods, so what if terran is a bit underpowered right now? Worst that will happen is that people will switch over or stop playing, y'know, like always happens when a certain race is underpowered for a while, I know the feeling is really new for you terrans, but it's not the end of the world. Terran has been in the gutter for over a year... Saying "get over it" is not a healthy way to keep a game alive and it shots with the loss of interest in SC2. Blizz has demonstrated their horrible balancing skills over and over again and I don't expect it to start picking up any time soon even with HoTS. Terrans been in the gutter since May 2012, less than a year, and if MMA is anyone to go by the game is finally balanced again. Did MMA say that on stream or something? Said that in an interview with axiom/acer or something. I'll find it in a bit when i get back from work if someone else hasn't. Ok thank you. I'll look for it myself I personally think that SC2's balance is decent since last couple of infestor nerfs. I just hope we will have a balanced Ro8, why not even Ro4, for last WoL GSL to prove me right :D. We could even dodge the now traditional and expected ZvZ finals, one can dream. There won't be. Theres only 1 Protoss in the ro16. Luckily its Parting who has nothing to do but practice for GSL. Anything but ro4 for Parting would be dodgy to me. I agree, I wish that this level of balance was achieved about 2 seasons ago, so we would have a more diverse last GSL ever. In any event, here is the interview. http://www.esfiworld.com/interview-with-team-axiomacer-part-1-gstl-team-house-possible-proleague-appearance/ Interesting how a Zerg(Miya) says that David Kim can't balance a scale much less a complex game, and MMA at least admits Wings is closed to balanced now.
It's truly a shame that he didn't leave the game close to what it was in december 2011, when everything was pretty close to 50/50. While a very small buff to early game was needed for zerg, they overshot the mark something tragic.
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On February 07 2013 03:49 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 00:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
The whine that protoss and zerg are more forgiving is absolute bullshit. Like, it is absolutely 100% bullshit. Or it's 100% true, and the main raison why Terran constantly underperforms below Code A/S level.
Thing is if terran was a bit more forgiving, say some cheaper costs, faster build/research time, or less requirements, when you got the advantage with the powerful positional play and medivacs/repairs, you get a critical mass from which there is not a lot other races can do to stay in the game, similarly to immortal/sentry vs zerg where if you dont deflect for the first time, you are as good as dead.
Sure i dont say it is a good thing for the game, but as the balance stands now, you cannot fix it without breaking some other things. Tho, Hots should make a whole lot of a difference in a long term, and this discussion is more relevent to WoL than Hots.
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You know what's funny my brother wrote this thread and has never played random only Terran.
He whines imba everyday, I'm actually impressed and proud at his ability to troll hundreds of people into a balance discussion.
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On February 07 2013 12:58 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:56 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 07 2013 11:03 Thieving Magpie wrote:On February 07 2013 10:38 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 07 2013 01:21 Thieving Magpie wrote:On February 06 2013 10:31 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 06 2013 06:08 Thieving Magpie wrote:On February 06 2013 05:37 FabledIntegral wrote:On February 06 2013 03:51 Thieving Magpie wrote:On February 06 2013 03:21 L3gendary wrote:[quote] No it's not any way comparable. I don't even know where to start, like you realize there's no separate worker rally in bw and that you can only select one building at a time to macro and normally you have a lot more hatcheries in bw since there's no queens? You're comparing apples to oranges. Try playing BW or SC2BW with the BW settings and maybe you'll get an idea. On topic though I don't mind that there's a lack of terran players so much because then I don't have to play many TvTs . Sigh... As I said "Isn't BW macro just an inject every 17 seconds without hotkeys" look how I say (without hotkeys) look how I then clarified with "I meant go to town hall, select worker, right click on mineral => repeat every 17 seconds" look how that does not cancel out my previous statement of NO HOTKEYS. If injects were every 17 seconds (instead of 40) it would be hard. If it was every 17 seconds without hotkeys it would feel impossible. Then you're made to imagine that all 3 races have this problem; and suddenly you hate life. If that's actually how you meant it then it was a really stupid post by you. What the heck is the point of saying no hotkeys? The entire reason SC2 macro is insanely different is that all the hatches can be hotkeyed together and there are separate rallies. What's even the point of your post? You don't need to use control groups and multiselect to inject right--back space and V are the only keyboard buttons you need along with fast hands. I was talking about backspace not multiunit select. Back space and V are hotkeys. Using V for inject is the definition of using a hotkey. And no, the macro is entirely different still, with the reason being your drones will follow your rally point. For drones to remain at your town hall, you would have to not be using any rally points. The macro isn't comparable. Do you have bad reading comprehension? I said that BW macro is like injects--I did not say that BW macro is like SC2 macro. Learn to read please. Rally point comparisons mean shit since hitting an inject requires zero rally points. Hitting an inject requires zero unit production and requires zero building selection. You move your screen to a hatch, select queen, hit V, click on hatch. BW macro is move your screen to a town hall, select worker, click on mineral, start next worker I don't understand what rally points and multi unit select has anything to do with what you're talking about! First, I already made it clear if you're trying to be that ungodly specific, you're retarded. There is utterly no reason to even make that point. Second, even with your ungodly specificity, you're still wrong. That is not how BW zerg macro works, so I suggest you research further. If you miss an inject, nothing happens. If you miss selecting the drone at the exact few second it pops, you will no longer be able to move your screen to the town hall and select your worker as the worker will not be there. Due to rally points. Hence it being relevant. Okay, let's take a look at what I said. "Isn't BW macro just an inject every 17 seconds without hotkeys?" Let's break it down. I'sn't BW macro (in general) just an inject (is similar to larva injects) every 17 seconds (much faster) without hotkeys (no control groups or backspace) The answer is yes--why? Because I never said that injects = granular specificity of zerg BW macro, nor did I try talking about rally point, production cycles or anything else unrelated to injects or worker creation (see that every 17 seconds comment--that was supposed to be the hint) Apparently you think I'm talking about BW zerg macro specifics--so let me show you how I HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT OR BROUGHT UP THAT TOPIC. "Isn't BW macro" "just an inject" "every 17 seconds" "without hotkeys" ie--Is not macro in BW also a system dependent on returning to your town halls regularly to quickly perform a few simple commands in order to maintain economic production. So while you have to go back to the CC/Nexus/Hatch every 17 seconds or your worker production will stop--you also have to go back to your Hatch every 40 seconds otherwise you won't have good production. ITS THE SAME MENIAL TASK ONLY FASTER AND MORE TEDIOUS. It isn't hard to box select a worker and right click on a mineral patch--it isn't hard at all. It's hard to do it every 17 seconds on the dot for every town hall you have. It is also very easy to box select a Queen, hit V and then click on the hatchery to inject. It's difficult to do it every 40 seconds on the dot as you move your queens back and forth to hit medivacs, block off chokes, chase off observers/overlords, etc... Now--since you only have a 17 second rythm instead of a 40 second rythm, it suggests that BW is MUCH HARDER mathematically than SC2 since people already have a hard enough time maintaining injects. However, it also suggests that injects are not as easymode as most people make it out to be on this thread since it is the same mechanical design as macroing in BW. I'm sorry that you did not see that when I said "Isn't BW macro just an inject every 17 seconds without hotkeys" and for some odd reason you interpreted that as me not wanting to talk about rallying drones. Because if you speak english as a second language, I can understand that despite me not talking about drones, rally points, or even zerg macro in general that you seem to think I was only comparing how SC2 zerg makes workers vs BW zerg. It must be because you don't understand english very well. 1. As stated, your purpose of stating no "hotkeys" is retarded and inapplicable. 2. Despite your feeble attempt to keep trying to state you didn't reference anything else, it is impossible to make the comparison you are trying to make without such references. 3. The answer is still no, they are not comparable, because you are punished more severely for not doing it in BW than SC2. This punishment (due to rally points) is entirely relevant to the difficulty of the macro. 4. In BW your hatcheries are not necessarily at expansions, considering you need macro hatches. Particularly in ZvT and ZvP (if Protoss does any build besides Forge FE), unless you are going for an aggressive 2 hatch build in one of these MUs. At most you can try to say your more elaborated statement of "Zerg still consists of returning to your town hall to maintain economic production" is accurate, although that cannot be insinuated in the slightest by your original statement. At the same time, even after your clarification on something so irrelevant and unnecessary, BW macro is not an inject every 17 seconds because the consequences of failing the action is entirely different (due to rally points). But yes, your very basic and extremely general point that it is a thoughtless task, just less demanding, is accurate. Just as muling is a thoughtless task as well. EDIT: And while I'll still maintain it's nigh impossible to decipher what your true intention was behind your initial post that I should have caught on quicker in your subsequent posts. However, in the end, the above points still remain. Its a general statement--of course it only has a general point! The only thing that differs to them according to you is how punishing it is in BW--an aspect I did not bring up at all. The task is the same but somehow you would rather talk about the aspects outside of the actual act of macroing. You want to bring up how it is punishing, how rally points are blah de blah as if I posted some kind of thesis. Unlike SC2 Terran and SC2 Toss Zerg actually *has* to come back to their base and do basic clicks in order for their macro to work just like you have to return to your base in BW. Stop being so defensive on the legitimacy of BW as if I'm insulting it. I was not insulting, no need to get upset.
The end result is not the same, that is the point. You're saying it's the same thing, if I tell one person that if they mess up they get a slap on the wrist, and if the other messes up they get the wrist amputated. The consequence is wholly relevant to the task. They are interrelated. You cannot separate them.
And no, Terran and Protoss still have to go back to their base to build pylons and supply depots while Zerg does not.
It has nothing to do with being defensive on the legitimacy of BW, but rather the utter ridiculousness of your post.
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On January 19 2013 01:13 Powerfoe wrote:
I like how you wrote an essay complaining about how underpowered terran is and can still say, "I'm not saying terran is underpowered."
Terran is not underpowered, in fact I would have to say T is the most OP race of them all but in order for you to use this race to its fullest you need UNHOLY mechanics and crazy APM
Terran just takes more skill then other races, that's what I think he is trying to say
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On February 07 2013 17:40 ki11z0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:13 Powerfoe wrote:
I like how you wrote an essay complaining about how underpowered terran is and can still say, "I'm not saying terran is underpowered." Terran is not underpowered, in fact I would have to say T is the most OP race of them all but in order for you to use this race to its fullest you need UNHOLY mechanics and crazy APM Terran just takes more skill then other races, that's what I think he is trying to say
I am not sure about that. If we are talking about super human APM (2000+). I am sure speed ling bling can trade the best in the early game.
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On February 07 2013 17:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 17:40 ki11z0ne wrote:On January 19 2013 01:13 Powerfoe wrote:
I like how you wrote an essay complaining about how underpowered terran is and can still say, "I'm not saying terran is underpowered." Terran is not underpowered, in fact I would have to say T is the most OP race of them all but in order for you to use this race to its fullest you need UNHOLY mechanics and crazy APM Terran just takes more skill then other races, that's what I think he is trying to say I am not sure about that. If we are talking about super human APM (2000+). I am sure speed ling bling can trade the best in the early game.
I think the game would be very different were it to be balanced around people with 2000+ apm lol.
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On February 07 2013 03:11 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 02:46 budar wrote:
Remember how in beta/first half a year or so of WoL Terran was everywhere? Terran players back then used to say that "better players are playing Terran". In reality, Terran was too strong. Anyway, other players where whining that Terran was OP, much like Terran/Protoss are whining Zerg is OP now.
There is one thing that's pretty key here that I think is often overlooked. If you've been playing for months in high master, it will feel shitty/less fun playing in low master or even diamond (at least it did for me, though my "fall" was due to inactivity instead of balance changes). Now, many Terran players got a higher relative rating while Terran was strong and have steadily been losing ground on ladder ever since Terran was (over)nerfed. The same thing will happen to Zerg in HotS if the balance of powers is different... Many lower level Zergs (by that I mean all master and even many GM players) will lose interest or find the game less fun when their actual rating/league will be lower.
You can actually see this in the pro scene as well... Remember how many EU/NA Terran players used to be really dangerous in every tournament? So many of them have completely disappeared, many citing "motivation problems". I remember Zerg winning the first two GSLs, Protoss wining the third. I recall InControl, Machine, Huk, etc... doing really well in MLGs I recall Tester being one of the most hyped players in the GSL I recall Terran not winning anything in Korea until 2011 I recall GSTL being ruled by DRG What do you recall?
As someone already pointed out, your memory is very selective...
In terms of GSL, it's really pointless to argue that it hasn't been Terran dominated in WoL - Terran was the most represented race in every single season until this last one (or maybe nearly every, don't really remember, but nor does it really matter) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=File:GSLraceW.png&filetimestamp=20130113212912. Terran has most GSL championships, and most wins in various GOM-specials.
Early MLGs/foreign tournaments, do you remember Select, PainUser, Sjow, Tarson, Sarens or the Terran version of Morrow and TLO? And there were probably more, but I can't remember just this second... And no, to the guy that wrote that I'm "shitting on their results", that's not the case at all. The results you achieve never dissapear... heck, FruitDealer probably ranks his GSL#1 win as one of the biggest things in his life (and rightfully so). However, my point was that many Terran players used to base their play on things that subsequently got nerfed or people just learned to deal with them and that made them much worse. This effect also extends to the ladder. All this is obviously my opinion that I can't nor care to try to prove.
Anyway, back to your points... Tester was one of the most hyped players, yet never did anything. Remember Maka and Rainbow?
I already answered the GSL part... as far as GSTL, remember Bomber?
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On February 07 2013 16:12 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 14:23 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:20 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:18 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:09 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:06 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:05 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 13:23 tokicheese wrote:On February 07 2013 13:17 Scootaloo wrote:
Good gods, so what if terran is a bit underpowered right now? Worst that will happen is that people will switch over or stop playing, y'know, like always happens when a certain race is underpowered for a while, I know the feeling is really new for you terrans, but it's not the end of the world. Terran has been in the gutter for over a year... Saying "get over it" is not a healthy way to keep a game alive and it shots with the loss of interest in SC2. Blizz has demonstrated their horrible balancing skills over and over again and I don't expect it to start picking up any time soon even with HoTS. Terrans been in the gutter since May 2012, less than a year, and if MMA is anyone to go by the game is finally balanced again. Did MMA say that on stream or something? Said that in an interview with axiom/acer or something. I'll find it in a bit when i get back from work if someone else hasn't. Ok thank you. I'll look for it myself I personally think that SC2's balance is decent since last couple of infestor nerfs. I just hope we will have a balanced Ro8, why not even Ro4, for last WoL GSL to prove me right :D. We could even dodge the now traditional and expected ZvZ finals, one can dream. There won't be. Theres only 1 Protoss in the ro16. Luckily its Parting who has nothing to do but practice for GSL. Anything but ro4 for Parting would be dodgy to me. I agree, I wish that this level of balance was achieved about 2 seasons ago, so we would have a more diverse last GSL ever. In any event, here is the interview. http://www.esfiworld.com/interview-with-team-axiomacer-part-1-gstl-team-house-possible-proleague-appearance/ Interesting how a Zerg(Miya) says that David Kim can't balance a scale much less a complex game, and MMA at least admits Wings is closed to balanced now. It's truly a shame that he didn't leave the game close to what it was in december 2011, when everything was pretty close to 50/50. While a very small buff to early game was needed for zerg, they overshot the mark something tragic.
Infestor/BL was still completely broken then. It just got less press.
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On February 07 2013 17:58 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 16:12 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:23 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:20 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:18 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:09 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:06 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:05 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 13:23 tokicheese wrote:
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Terran has been in the gutter for over a year...
Saying "get over it" is not a healthy way to keep a game alive and it shots with the loss of interest in SC2. Blizz has demonstrated their horrible balancing skills over and over again and I don't expect it to start picking up any time soon even with HoTS. Terrans been in the gutter since May 2012, less than a year, and if MMA is anyone to go by the game is finally balanced again. Did MMA say that on stream or something? Said that in an interview with axiom/acer or something. I'll find it in a bit when i get back from work if someone else hasn't. Ok thank you. I'll look for it myself I personally think that SC2's balance is decent since last couple of infestor nerfs. I just hope we will have a balanced Ro8, why not even Ro4, for last WoL GSL to prove me right :D. We could even dodge the now traditional and expected ZvZ finals, one can dream. There won't be. Theres only 1 Protoss in the ro16. Luckily its Parting who has nothing to do but practice for GSL. Anything but ro4 for Parting would be dodgy to me. I agree, I wish that this level of balance was achieved about 2 seasons ago, so we would have a more diverse last GSL ever. In any event, here is the interview. http://www.esfiworld.com/interview-with-team-axiomacer-part-1-gstl-team-house-possible-proleague-appearance/ Interesting how a Zerg(Miya) says that David Kim can't balance a scale much less a complex game, and MMA at least admits Wings is closed to balanced now. It's truly a shame that he didn't leave the game close to what it was in december 2011, when everything was pretty close to 50/50. While a very small buff to early game was needed for zerg, they overshot the mark something tragic. Infestor/BL was still completely broken then. It just got less press.
Infestor/bl was much closer to battlecruiser raven tbh. Unbeatable, but oh so hard to get to.
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On February 07 2013 18:20 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 17:58 DemigodcelpH wrote:On February 07 2013 16:12 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:23 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:20 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:18 Wingblade wrote:On February 07 2013 14:15 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:09 bo1b wrote:On February 07 2013 14:06 ZenithM wrote:On February 07 2013 14:05 bo1b wrote:
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Terrans been in the gutter since May 2012, less than a year, and if MMA is anyone to go by the game is finally balanced again. Did MMA say that on stream or something? Said that in an interview with axiom/acer or something. I'll find it in a bit when i get back from work if someone else hasn't. Ok thank you. I'll look for it myself I personally think that SC2's balance is decent since last couple of infestor nerfs. I just hope we will have a balanced Ro8, why not even Ro4, for last WoL GSL to prove me right :D. We could even dodge the now traditional and expected ZvZ finals, one can dream. There won't be. Theres only 1 Protoss in the ro16. Luckily its Parting who has nothing to do but practice for GSL. Anything but ro4 for Parting would be dodgy to me. I agree, I wish that this level of balance was achieved about 2 seasons ago, so we would have a more diverse last GSL ever. In any event, here is the interview. http://www.esfiworld.com/interview-with-team-axiomacer-part-1-gstl-team-house-possible-proleague-appearance/ Interesting how a Zerg(Miya) says that David Kim can't balance a scale much less a complex game, and MMA at least admits Wings is closed to balanced now. It's truly a shame that he didn't leave the game close to what it was in december 2011, when everything was pretty close to 50/50. While a very small buff to early game was needed for zerg, they overshot the mark something tragic. Infestor/BL was still completely broken then. It just got less press. Infestor/bl was much closer to battlecruiser raven tbh. Unbeatable, but oh so hard to get to.
Sort of, but not exactly. Part of the reason Infestor/BL was so broken was because of the pre-nerf Infestor. The situation isn't the same in that you can't write pre-nerf BL/Infestor off as "it's okay as long as queens have 3 range".
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I dont buy it. If a person is only playing terran, how will he/she know it is more mechanically difficult to play terran as opposed to the other races (at lower levels)? Do you think terran players are discouraged when they study replays and apm and compare playstyles and critical descisions during a lost game? Auto matchmaking should result in 1:1 win:loss rate no matter what style you are using.
Instead of the self-flattering and illogical "its so mechanically demanding at my level" (which might or might not be true, its just not a good explanation), a more reasonable explanation is to look at how the game plays. If low level terran players feel like they cannot choose when the engage happens, and they feel they have little control over the outcome, it might be less enjoyable (even if they win/lose 1:1). Compared to how much better it feels to do all ins (where you do decide when the engage happens), sometimes crushing all opposition, its not strange if people tend to gravitate towards all ins, which is more boring in general (less dynamic matches) and then switch race or stop playing.
Or maybe its just that people write posts about how up terran is at lower levels.
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@KrosuZorg - I think at lower levels people are more discouraged by how unforgiving terran is. They study the replay, they see they have lead, they win one engagement, than second than third ... and than die to few banes / fungals and get a-moved by lings. Same goes for losing to two storms.
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On February 07 2013 19:49 crow_mw wrote:
@KrosuZorg - I think at lower levels people are more discouraged by how unforgiving terran is. They study the replay, they see they have lead, they win one engagement, than second than third ... and than die to few banes / fungals and get a-moved by lings. Same goes for losing to two storms.
If anything terran is more forgiving at lower levels lol.
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Terran is kind of vanilla and boring. Terran units are similar to contemporary military equipment. Protoss and Zerg feel more sci-fi and less like battlefield 1942. Maybe that's why they are more popular.
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On February 07 2013 17:40 ki11z0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 01:13 Powerfoe wrote:
I like how you wrote an essay complaining about how underpowered terran is and can still say, "I'm not saying terran is underpowered." Terran is not underpowered, in fact I would have to say T is the most OP race of them all but in order for you to use this race to its fullest you need UNHOLY mechanics and crazy APM Terran just takes more skill then other races, that's what I think he is trying to say
Yeah, people were saying the exact same thing about zerg a while ago, so I'm not really convinced it's true this time.
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