EPTBut the players are loyal, because they played without salaries.
GL to you all
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
But the players are loyal, because they played without salaries. GL to you all | ||
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Flench
United States21 Posts
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
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SuperEight
United States333 Posts
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Testuser
6469 Posts
I hope the players find new teams soon, and I wish good luck all other people involved too. | ||
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umelbumel
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote: Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year. 1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors 2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors. It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO. Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather. Is it arrogance or ignorance? Can this be changed? I'm genuinely concerned that we're 2 years in now and they still haven't made much progress. Can this be educated in or is it a culturally (for lack of a better word) driven desire / lack of desire? I don't want to be too cynical, but it reminds me of all the times you hear young player wanting to leave Korean Team to 'join foreign team' as though it's some mythical golden goose. The more i see this kinda stuff going down, the more i feel that there's some truth to that in the sense that the Korean scene is either unwilling or unable to source funds effectively themselves. The players thus know this (or are complicit in it) and seek to escape to the promised land where money actually exists. I'm really concerned right now edit: quoted wrong | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
GOGOGOGO I know you can afford it EG  | ||
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GhoSt[shield]
Canada2131 Posts
This team produced legends in the SC2 scene from the very beginning.Also the team with the most drama out of all ESF teams. | ||
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:04 TKK wrote: kespa teams will outlast gom federation (how is it called?) teams because most of these players on the younger gom teams seem to have a lack of loyalty. they would rather quit and join a bad foreigner team. TSL players had no salary. How long employees are loyal to a company who does not pay them? | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On January 03 2013 17:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: This is absolutely not the case, people really need to stop saying this. Any sport from top to bottom can find sponsorships based on viewership numbers. Just because there is something bigger out there does not mean there is no worth. If that were the case no sport below the largest would be able to find sponsors. There is plenty of opportunity for sponsorship dollars in StarCraft2. The issue is too many people want to be a part of it. It is only natural to lose some along the way when that happens. This goes for tournaments, teams, and players. There are simply too many teams in Korea and only the ones with the best business structure will survive in the long run. Korean teams never evolved with the scene. They took a laid back BroodWar approach of no streaming, no social media, no websites. In BroodWar the teams were carried by being on TV. In StarCraft2 they did not have such a pitch and never got their act together. I agree. People need to stop acting like this is the end of SC2. This is not about the game, it's about team management and administration. Teams have to have plans in the future to survive. If a team only focuses on one particular game, it's like putting all your eggs in one basket. It's common sense that you'll get yourself burned one day. Teams like TSL, Prime,.. only focuses on SC2, so their life pretty depends on SC2's up and down. On the other hand, teams like MVP, IM, FXO, Kespa's CJ, SKT, KTRoster, even TeamLiquid diverse their business to other titles (SC2, LoL) and they become less dependent on SC2. oGs, StarTale tried out LoL, but wasn't successful, they still have to rely on their sole SC2 business. It's really exciting to see the dynamic change and decision making from teams to try to survive. | ||
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Freezd
United States139 Posts
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:12 Rescawen wrote: this is also a reason why zergs stream more than other races. Zerg is a reactive race, hence laddering will 100% contribute to learning, except for 3 pylon blocks and whatnot. As toss and terran streaming will give out so much for your next opponent who wants to study you. I hope this problem will fixed in hots where each race can play defensive reactive style, instead of only zerg at the moment. I'm not sure if that is why Zergs stream more (it is not in my experience), but your theory on being a reactive race and thus less telling is very accurate. However the way the StarCraft2 scene works you pretty much don't have a lot to hide unless you are in GSL/Proleague. Even when eliminated from GSL Koreans never want to stream, and there really isn't much of an excuse for that from a team owners/sponsor perspective. | ||
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tReaper
Australia90 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:17 canikizu wrote: I agree. People need to stop acting like this is the end of SC2. This is not about the game, it's about team management and administration. Teams have to have plans in the future to survive. If a team only focuses on one particular game, it's like putting all your eggs in one basket. It's common sense that you'll get yourself burned one day. Teams like TSL, Prime,.. only focuses on SC2, so their life pretty depends on SC2's up and down. On the other hand, teams like MVP, IM, FXO, Kespa's CJ, SKT, KTRoster, even TeamLiquid diverse their business to other titles (SC2, LoL) and they become less dependent on SC2. oGs, StarTale tried out LoL, but wasn't successful, they still have to rely on their sole SC2 business. It's really exciting to see the dynamic change and decision making from teams to try to survive. You bring up a really interesting point, LG-IM and MVP both have teams in OnGameNet's The Champions League of Legends tournament, this is the most popular gaming program on OGN and watched by a looooot people on live TV. This gives them a huge edge over teams like Prime and TSL in terms of ability to find and keep sponsors, as well as how many eyes are on your organization. | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
Starcraft 2 Progame team TSL has suddenly disbanded. TSL's coach Lee stated: "Realistically it was too hard to operate a progaming team at the moment and after careful consideration the team was to be disbanded". TSL formed with the release of Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty. Former MBC Game Hero's coach, Coach Lee had the strongest SC2 beta players under his wings that included Tester/SKS, Fruitdealer and formed TSL with them. Early on TSL had sponsors from many hardware companies and from the PC Bang Coach Lee had been operating. And with Fruitdealer's win in the GSL Open Season 1, the team looked highly motivated. After the departure of Tester and Fruitdealer TSL was the source of many controversies. But with the recruitment of players like Polt, Clide, Killer, Revival, JYP, etc TSL used the power of new and upcoming players to put themselves back in the top. After MBC Game Hero disbanded Hyun joined TSL and Symbol later joined as well and proceeded to all-kill in the GSTL and showed great promise. They showed pretty good results in the GSTL and Hyun won 2nd place in the GSL Code 2 Season 5. Also Polt frequented foreign tournaments and always placed highly. TSL also had up and comming players such as Shine, Ragnarok, and Center. Nonetheless recently TSL lost Polt, Revival who here pivotal players and many fans began to worry. Coach Lee had said the following after their leaves: "Losing key players and facing the hardships of not being able to find sponsors the team had to disband". Former TSL players Hyun, Symbol,Shine, Center, and Ragnarok are now teamless. Coach Lee stated: "The players were sorry, but after explaining the situation to them they all understood". Coach Lee said: "All my players are skilled and have great work ethic and wishes Coach Kim? will help them find a new team. | ||
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QuanticCinergy
United States37 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote: Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year. 1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors 2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors. It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO. Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather. Again, even from the Quantic standpoint, we always struggled with this as well... Even knowing what is needed, doesn't make actually getting it, from the sponsors and/or players, any easier... | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
nuff said. On Topic: sad to know another team disbands, hopefully the players wont leave the scene. KeSPA should take care of this teamless kids. | ||
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coolcor
520 Posts
I feel like people should read fxoboss's blog for his opinion on the state of Korea if they want more information. fxoboss.tumblr.com/post/39525316090/a-brief-look-at-korea-2013 I wonder how much Gom could have helped if they shared their viewership numbers with the teams. What are they going to do for their teamleague if the korean teams are in such trouble? | ||
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