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Sovlet
United Kingdom10 Posts
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mymymy696
United States11 Posts
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:16 Goibon wrote: Is it arrogance or ignorance? Can this be changed? I'm genuinely concerned that we're 2 years in now and they still haven't made much progress. Can this be educated in or is it a culturally (for lack of a better word) driven desire / lack of desire? I don't want to be too cynical, but it reminds me of all the times you hear young player wanting to leave Korean Team to 'join foreign team' as though it's some mythical golden goose. The more i see this kinda stuff going down, the more i feel that there's some truth to that in the sense that the Korean scene is either unwilling or unable to source funds effectively themselves. The players thus know this (or are complicit in it) and seek to escape to the promised land where money actually exists. I'm really concerned right now  edit: quoted wrong It can only be changed by stars not getting offers they should get. The joining foreign team is purely money based. For some reason there is an illusion that "As long as I play, I should get paid". The truth is, a long as you do you job to promote your sponsors, you should get paid. EG for instance, is good at promoting the players on the players behalf, but they have a big staff budget compared to almost every other organisation. Sometimes, the players need to promote themselves, even if it is to get a bigger team with more money. The whole MMA transaction comes to mind, where everyone in the industry knew how much he was asking. And at that moment in time, he would do almost nothing for sponsors that would be worth the asking price. Not to throw MMA under the bus or anything, I am just using it as an example, but its extremely common for Korean "Stars" to expect money for nothing. | ||
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WhiteSatin
United States308 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:12 Rescawen wrote: this is also a reason why zergs stream more than other races. Zerg is a reactive race, hence laddering will 100% contribute to learning, except for 3 pylon blocks and whatnot. As toss and terran streaming will give out so much for your next opponent who wants to study you. I hope this problem will fixed in hots where each race can play defensive reactive style, instead of only zerg at the moment. Zerg is not the reactionary race anymore. In fact, both P and T have to adapt to whatever the Zerg is doing. Queen buff pretty much made it so that Z can drone safely up to 80 workers and go from there. Also, it's true, more Zergs streams because 90% of them do the same thing: 4/6 queens, 80 drones, 11 min hive vs P, 14 min hive vs T, transition into a moving and win. Despite not being a Z fan, I miss the times where only good zergs were winning and not the very sad Z fest that we have to witness almost every tournament. | ||
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
This might make Kespa not transfering any korean players to foreign team | ||
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Srontgorrth
United States204 Posts
one of my favorite teams. i saw some of the tsl guys palling around together at ipl5, and they seemed like a pretty tight group. hope they can find new teams soon. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
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carlfish
Australia57 Posts
I can't help thinking streaming is a bit of a red herring. Watching someone ladder is, for the most part, really boring. It's a bunch of repetitive, mostly identical games against almost entirely anonymous opponents. There's no story, no drama, just mechanics and maybe one stand-out game every couple of hours. Even a player with amazing mechanics will only be interesting for so long. Some streamers get numbers for being "personalities" or by offering ancillary material like coaching sessions or deep (English language) analysis, others get largely temporary attention for being really good players. Even JD is going to see his viewer count dwindle over time as the novelty value wears off. I strongly suspect that as time passes, the emphasis on streaming will die down, and while there will always be some streamers bringing in advertising money, teams will start getting more revenue from putting out curated content like in-house tournaments, training materials, casts of their players more interesting ladder games and the like. | ||
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pmp10
3354 Posts
With Kespa switch Korean scene is bloated far beyond what it can support. I wonder why they didn't wait for HotS tho. Either things were that bad or they had no faith in any renewed interest. On January 03 2013 18:23 GoldforGolden wrote: ZeNex and NSHS better not be next Yeah - about ZeNex ... | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
I don't see why people are running around screaming about the end of the world (or SC2). Yes a few teams disbanded, but 7 KeSPA teams joining the game. In total Korea still has an impressive amount of top teams operating, in fact far more than in 2011-first half of 2012. I wouldn't be surprised by a merger, or another disbanded team in the next couple of months. | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:22 FXOBoSs wrote: It can only be changed by stars not getting offers they should get. The joining foreign team is purely money based. For some reason there is an illusion that "As long as I play, I should get paid". The truth is, a long as you do you job to promote your sponsors, you should get paid. EG for instance, is good at promoting the players on the players behalf, but they have a big staff budget compared to almost every other organisation. Sometimes, the players need to promote themselves, even if it is to get a bigger team with more money. The whole MMA transaction comes to mind, where everyone in the industry knew how much he was asking. And at that moment in time, he would do almost nothing for sponsors that would be worth the asking price. Not to throw MMA under the bus or anything, I am just using it as an example, but its extremely common for Korean "Stars" to expect money for nothing. Boss and Nazgul in the house spitting truth. These are the reasons teams are going down and why Koreans aren't always the best thing for teams. A lot more to keep teams around and getting sponsors than winning games there is a reason Tim Tebow is better for your bottom line than 90% of other quarterbacks and its not because he's good. He is popular, he is in 100% ,and he moves merchandise. | ||
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Darroth
United Kingdom38 Posts
I hope these trade blocks wont stop symbol and hyun getting places with a decent kespa team. There is way too many top esf players without a team already as a result and it looks like the kespa players have already caught up so its not like any of the teams will replace their whole roster. | ||
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Rescawen
Finland1028 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:17 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I'm not sure if that is why Zergs stream more (it is not in my experience), but your theory on being a reactive race and thus less telling is very accurate. However the way the StarCraft2 scene works you pretty much don't have a lot to hide unless you are in GSL/Proleague. Even when eliminated from GSL Koreans never want to stream, and there really isn't much of an excuse for that from a team owners/sponsor perspective. I have to disagree, the differentiation of style between the top zerg players and the other top players of toss and terran is way smaller. For example hero and seed is much more different than stephano and leenock. Just to give an example, as a zerg on high masters eu, if i hit the same guy twice. Most of the time if I loose the first game, I will win the second one. In fact I cannot recall when I would ever loose twice in a row to the same person. However this is just my opinion and 2 cents. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:23 GoldforGolden wrote: ZeNex and NSHS better not be next This might make Kespa not transfering any korean players to foreign team Boy have i got some news for you about ZeNex >_> | ||
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herMan
Japan2054 Posts
What I've heard people say is that most Korean teams do not have solid business plans and struggle to stay alive, is this true to which extent? Expect Symbol and Hyun to find new teams quickly, since Zerg is the new black nowadays. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:23 WhiteSatin wrote: Zerg is not the reactionary race anymore. In fact, both P and T have to adapt to whatever the Zerg is doing. Queen buff pretty much made it so that Z can drone safely up to 80 workers and go from there. Also, it's true, more Zergs streams because 90% of them do the same thing: 4/6 queens, 80 drones, 11 min hive vs P, 14 min hive vs T, transition into a moving and win. Despite not being a Z fan, I miss the times where only good zergs were winning and not the very sad Z fest that we have to witness almost every tournament. What do you mean despite? of course youre not a zerg fan when you express yourself that way, personally Im happy that Zerg can play something else than ling bling muta and still win, ling bling muta was riddiciously hard to pull off and transition out from on top levels, only a few zerg gods could pull it off, and Im happy the tournaments are no longer TvTs everywhere, TvZ being super easy and ZvT being a joke. I know its swinging in zergs favor nowadays but lets not forget what It was like, we want a balanced game, not a game that swings in any directions. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:28 Fragile51 wrote: Boy have i got some news for you about ZeNex >_> Don't tell him he just lost TSL | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 03 2013 18:22 FXOBoSs wrote: It can only be changed by stars not getting offers they should get. The joining foreign team is purely money based. For some reason there is an illusion that "As long as I play, I should get paid". The truth is, a long as you do you job to promote your sponsors, you should get paid. EG for instance, is good at promoting the players on the players behalf, but they have a big staff budget compared to almost every other organisation. Sometimes, the players need to promote themselves, even if it is to get a bigger team with more money. The whole MMA transaction comes to mind, where everyone in the industry knew how much he was asking. And at that moment in time, he would do almost nothing for sponsors that would be worth the asking price. Not to throw MMA under the bus or anything, I am just using it as an example, but its extremely common for Korean "Stars" to expect money for nothing. But its hard to judge, they are the remnants of BW culture, where some sort of athlete-mindset was created. As Nazgul said it was ok because marketing was not as crucial as it is nowadays. In ideal space, stars or anyone should be only occupied by the game, however Esport is not an ideal space, and this should be properly layed out to those players. Teams have to properly teach players the importance of their own brand because now its part of they play as well | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
@Boss: Would love to hear more about what you need to improve on in your own words if you're still stalking here. | ||
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