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On January 03 2013 17:58 SKYFISH_ wrote:
wasnt TSL one of the more financially stable teams?
looks like everyone is struggling with sponsorships, there was this thread not too long ago about Prime having issues with finding a sponsor as well
rip i guess
Not at all, TSL was always one of the least financially stable teams. Not really a surprise that they are disbanding (only NSHS would be less of a surprise, imo)
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kespa is going to outlast esf teams,they seem to be so much more professional...maybe harsh rules and slaves b-teamers are what it takes.
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Man, a lot of teams have disbanded. But its to be expected, there's an oversaturation of teams and players, especially with the KeSPA teams joining the fray.
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kespa teams will outlast gom federation (how is it called?) teams because most of these players on the younger gom teams seem to have a lack of loyalty. they would rather quit and join a bad foreigner team.
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TSL has been a whirlwind organization since the beginning. Most of the time in a bad way. They did okay in 2012 but their management and business approach was always questionable. TSL's popularity was always player based or sentimental value carried over from their inception, its time we move on.
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Wow that's stunning 
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On January 03 2013 17:57 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 17:50 WhiteSatin wrote:Companies don't wanna sponsor a game with a limited viewership number like SC2, and if the trend continues, unfortunately I see this happening for other teams soon. 2011 was probably one of the best years for SC2, so unfortunate that stagnation of map pool, terrible balance decisions that brought the game to a shitty metagame that is super boring to watch, are slowly killing viewership number and by consequences, teams 2012 was super terrible. I hope 2013 will be a great year for SC2 and can go back to its 2011 numbers and even better, but I am pretty negative because I think Blizzard will manage to fuck it up, yet again T_T This is absolutely not the case, people really need to stop saying this. Any sport from top to bottom can find sponsorships based on viewership numbers. Just because there is something bigger out there does not mean there is no worth. If that were the case no sport below the largest would be able to find sponsors. There is plenty of opportunity for sponsorship dollars in StarCraft2. The issue is too many people want to be a part of it. It is only natural to lose some along the way when that happens. This goes for tournaments, teams, and players. There are simply too many teams in Korea and only the ones with the best business structure will survive in the long run. Korean teams never evolved with the scene. They took a laid back BroodWar approach of no streaming, no social media, no websites. In BroodWar the teams were carried by being on TV. In StarCraft2 they did not have such a pitch and never got their act together.
I never mentioned the "bigger out there" thing.
I am talking strictly about SC2.
The biggest issue for the long run survival of SC2 are numbers, and at the moment we have lower numbers than 2011 and early 2012. That is not team's fault. There's so much that Blizzard could have done to help SC2 keep players playing the game and spectators watch the game, and they did neither, in fact, they even made it worst.
All my friends I used to play with are all gone, and even some of my hardcore friends stopped watching because they find it boring. What you are talking about has more with the way a team has to be managed, about funds, social media and all that. But even those things, are viable only if the viewership is good.
I mean you can put as much effort in the social media side as you want, but if you got nobody liking your stuff on facebook, watching your stream, simply.. because there is no one watching, that is not something that we can blame on Teams.
You are right, they took a laid back approach and that's bad, but my comment is more about the game.
I think B.net also played a huge role in why people stopped playing, by far one of the worst things Blizzard has ever created. TFT B.net was far superior, funnier and kept people in-game and watching the game. All these things: balance, b.net 0.2, stagnation, etc. contribute to having less and less followers to the sc2 scene, which is bad for everybody involved :/
My post did not mean to compare sc2 to LoL, Dota or any other game.
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On January 03 2013 17:47 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 17:43 zaii wrote:On January 03 2013 17:39 MetalPanda wrote:On January 03 2013 17:28 Patate wrote:On January 03 2013 17:26 Insoleet wrote:
wtf is happening nowadays... tsl.... parting.... strange beginning of the year.... If you think the end of 2012 was bad for SC2.. wait for the end of 2013. I don't see things doing better than what they were back in 2011. Stuff is getting recycled, don't worry. We gained a lot of SC2 players with the KeSPA switching. You're only looking at 1 side of the things. Teams come and go and only the strongest can really stay long term. I welcome our Kespa Overlords, Hell the only SC2 matches from korea I watch nowadays are the Kespa matches. For the last few weeks thats really been the only choice. Also, thanks for translating in advance suzie 
Well that and When Kespa entered the SC2 scene I completely lost interest in the GSL teams.
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well kespa players get decent salaries for around the same level of play, why wouldnt you disband for $
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Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year.
1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors
2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors.
It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO.
Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather.
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On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year.
1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors
2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors.
It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO.
Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather.
So true
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wow, such a bad start to 2013. Good luck to the players finding teams :/
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On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year.
1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors
2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors.
It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO.
Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather.
Hopefully some of these teams disbanding is a good wake up call to them.
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I wouldnt be surprised if NS HoSeo disbands soon, but other than that, I will be devastated if any other ESF team does.
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SlayerS and TSL.. two of my favourite teams have fallen. Sad start to the year for Starcraft fans. Will be interesting to see who Polt went to.. whoever it may be you might have to fault them for causing this to happen.. or at least dealing the killing blow.
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On January 03 2013 18:03 clementdudu wrote:
kespa is going to outlast esf teams,they seem to be so much more professional...maybe harsh rules and slaves b-teamers are what it takes.
If you think Kespa succes relies on slaves b-teamers and harsh rules... no this was only the outcome of competition that was created not the reason.
It is about controlling the transparent center, OGN is that center, proleague always was. What ESF could do was to control the boundaries, streaming, media, promotion all this technology gagdets that happened in last few years and were ommited in BW times, because they could (TV exposure, primary Esport title). However now they cannot be omitted, this is what GOM was doing all the time afterall and they somehow stayed afloat for so many years.
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On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year.
1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors
2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors.
It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO.
Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather.
i agree, if only the world was all aussies. the boss would go up to the star player, clip them on the ear and say "common mate, you've been slacking you bloody bludger, get back to the streaming you drongo before i unleash a dingo on ya!"
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Stuff is getting recycled, don't worry. We gained a lot of SC2 players with the KeSPA switching. You're only looking at 1 side of the things. Teams come and go and only the strongest can really stay long term.
Basically this. The entry of KeSPA into full-time SC2 pretty much doubled the number of SC2 teams in Korea competing for players, tournament wins and sponsorships. You'd be incredibly naive to think this wouldn't cause a major shake-up of existing teams.
The story was that the "no trade" rule was there to protect KeSPA players from being dominated by GSL veterans during the transition period. Less attention was paid to the way the deal protected ESF teams from being poached to death by rivals with deeper pockets and more prestigious pedigrees, backed by an organisation that makes no secret about how it would prefer to control the whole scene.
I can't imagine why, at this point, an unattached player would pick an ESF team over either KeSPA, or a deep-pocketed foreign team. Which means from now on, the ESF teams are doomed to have second pick of the available Korean talent. Expect things to get worse.
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On January 03 2013 18:08 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 18:06 FXOBoSs wrote:
Hate to be a stick in the mud.. But there are two reasons why this is happening, and will continue to happen quickly this year.
1) People dont know what it takes to obtain sponsors
2) Players are not willing to do what it takes to obtain sponsors.
It takes alot more than just playing and winning to lure decent sponsorships. None of the korean teams, including KESPA teams, do this properly and that includes FXO.
Getting a Korean "star" player to stream is like trying to pull your fingernails out with a feather. So true
this is also a reason why zergs stream more than other races. Zerg is a reactive race, hence laddering will 100% contribute to learning, except for 3 pylon blocks and whatnot. As toss and terran streaming will give out so much for your next opponent who wants to study you. I hope this problem will fixed in hots where each race can play defensive reactive style, instead of only zerg at the moment.
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