I echo this sentiment greatly.

I am tired of seeing the same maps being used in tournament after tournament with no variation to the pool whatsoever.

Proleague has all but proven that you can have a great tournament with funky maps, it's about time other tournaments started following from their example.

DoA

Korea (South)599 Posts

January 04 2013 01:57 GMT

#122

I agree for the most part. One of the big reasons people are watching Proleague now are for the new maps. Other tournaments should take note and not be afraid to mix things up a bit more.

archonOOid

1983 Posts

January 04 2013 02:03 GMT

#123

As long as the maps that are introduced are balanced it's go time. I wouldn't mind totally new maps being introduced for a tournament as long as they've been tested reasonably well. New kinds of map testing could be implemented to cater to the players and map makers:

A) It could be that the tournament pays a couple of pros (hundreds of dollars each) for playing the new maps.
B) Pay map makers a sum of money for winning a map making tournament.

Beastyqt

Serbia516 Posts

January 04 2013 02:57 GMT

#124

Everyone should follow Kespa as far as the maps go, 2012 was kinda stale as far as the maps go thus making metagame stale. More maps = more diversity = better gameplay!

achan1058

1091 Posts

January 04 2013 03:04 GMT

#125

I think each tournament should remove 1/3 of their map pool each season. Stale maps are even worse than imbalances as far as the viewer is concerned. Besides, they can be used to fix imbalances as well instead of waiting for Blizzard, should the need arise.

In fact, this is what I would suggest. 2 maps are to be rotated out every season. One of the removed map is going to be the worst map (either in terms of games produced or balanced), and the other is going to be the oldest map. (regardless of how good it is)

nunez

Norway4003 Posts

January 04 2013 03:07 GMT

#126

On January 03 2013 11:53 Diamond wrote:

Show nested quote +

We are still around. Actually why we have been so quiet is due to the problem in the OP. It's pointless to make WoL maps as soon as the HotS beta hit as no one would use them, and there is no major HotS tournaments yet (not part of the OP, just relevant).

bring back the weekly for HoTS pretty pretty please.

good post adressing a an important issue. i'd like to see tournaments invest into developing the map scene. since producing good games is a concern for them, having good maps produced should be a natural field to put some focus on.

edit: f.ex. sponsor tournaments like the Korean Weekly, where new maps got tested out on the highest level of play.

rename

Estonia329 Posts

January 04 2013 03:10 GMT

#127

They should indeed take the most balanced new kespa/proleague map and put it in the ladder pool every ladder season.

Sumadin

Denmark588 Posts

January 04 2013 04:54 GMT

#128

On January 04 2013 12:10 rename wrote:
They should indeed take the most balanced new kespa/proleague map and put it in the ladder pool every ladder season.

That would be quite the gamble given Kespas tournement format don't care about if the map is balanced.

I will say through. Blizzard started out 2013 by ditching the oldest of the their maps. I feel tournements should have done the same. I fully agree with the statements in this post.

Mahanaim

Korea (South)1002 Posts

January 04 2013 04:57 GMT

#129

Well... LoL is on one map

stormchaser

Canada1009 Posts

January 04 2013 05:09 GMT

#130

New maps? YES PLEASE. throw out all of the old ones, we seriously need all new maps.

Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Metropolis
Ohana
Whirlwind

Every single one of those has to go.

KrazyTrumpet

United States2520 Posts

January 04 2013 05:13 GMT

#131

Proleague maps are so troll, but also awesome because we keep seeing really fun games on them. I would love to see more maps like this

Reborn8u

United States1761 Posts

January 04 2013 05:13 GMT

#132

I think some of the major bodies should get together and work out a pro tested, common, large, map pool of originals.

Abortion0

United States26 Posts

January 04 2013 05:17 GMT

#133

Somebody should host a tournament centered around maps every month or so, the maps would be selected by voting on TL and we would have our top notch players battling it out on random maps they'd never seen before!
*sigh...* in a perfect world.
This could be pretty sweet though.

Conut

Canada1026 Posts

January 04 2013 05:54 GMT

#134

they all probably just want the meta game to play out.

FrostedMiniWheats

United States30730 Posts

January 04 2013 05:55 GMT

#135

On January 04 2013 14:09 stormchaser wrote:
New maps? YES PLEASE. throw out all of the old ones, we seriously need all new maps.

Antiga Shipyard
Cloud Kingdom
Daybreak
Entombed Valley
Metropolis
Ohana
Whirlwind

Every single one of those has to go.

Well Whirldwind is still pretty young and has provided its share of epic games (Flash vs Ryung, DRG vs Ryung, Seed vs Symbol, MMA vs MVP etc). I'd keep that one.

Mayyyybe 1 more season of Cloud as well since it's not quite as old as Daybreak but arguably better these days in quality.

Qraka

United States17 Posts

January 04 2013 06:20 GMT

#136

Good write up. I think viewer counts would go up with new maps as well.

iKill

Denmark861 Posts

January 04 2013 09:09 GMT

#137

Yes please, if I have to play / watch one more game on CK / Antiga / Daybreak I think I'll throw up...

They're not bad maps, they're just so old.

EvilDet

Germany130 Posts

January 04 2013 12:17 GMT

#138

Loved the TL;DR :D
But yeah, you're definetly right, we need more diversity in map pools!

Apolo

Portugal1259 Posts

January 04 2013 12:36 GMT

#139

100% behind OP on this one. Tired of seeing the same maps over and over. It's dull and boring already

Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

January 04 2013 12:44 GMT

#140

I never understood the problem with introducing completely new maps every (half) year. Even if some are imbalanced or don't completely link into the current meta - who the hell cares as long as the imbalance is evenly distributed. Zerg biased, Protoss biased and Terran biased maps are in existence even today. My solution? Just allow each tournament player to ban a map. This should have been added a long time ago.