EPTDear Tournaments of 2013: Maps - Page 2
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Leagues can't just take a new map "her derp this is good" and then end up with a terrible unbalanced map. At the same time more maps are needed, different maps. 2012 was pretty bad in that regard if you don't count the Kespa maps. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 03 2013 10:22 Tobblish wrote: Pros don't have the time if all tournaments had their "own" maps. Leagues can't just take a new map "her derp this is good" and then end up with a terrible unbalanced map. At the same time more maps are needed, different maps. 2012 was pretty bad in that regard if you don't count the Kespa maps. Why can a map not be imbalanced to figure out it is? Happened all the time in BW, worked fine there. | ||
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Ldawg
United States328 Posts
At this point I would take new maps even if all of them came with imbalances. | ||
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FrodaN
754 Posts
Its very risky for a tournament like MLG to be a trend setter of maps. Better for GSL and Pro league since that have time to prepare. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
On January 03 2013 10:34 FrodaN wrote: For NASL, we let the players vote on the map pool to take maps out/put new maps in. They took out one of the new maps we introduced (and rightfully so since it wasn't that good). Players generally dislike unfamiliar maps and if they don't get preparation, cheese builds and poor quality games often show up. Its very risky for a tournament like MLG to be a trend setter of maps. Better for GSL and Pro league since that have time to prepare. I personally see it as the players fault if they are unfamiliar with the map pool. You're signing up for a tournament at a chance to win a huge amount of money, there shouldn't be any maps that you are unfamiliar with. Also, many of these tournaments do allow vetos so if you really are unfamiliar with a map, more then likely you won't have to play it since you can veto it. Unless of course you're in the grand finals, which at that point you should have to play every map in the map pool. MLG's Fall map pool was: MLG Antiga Shipyard MLG ESV Cloud Kingdom MLG Daybreak MLG Entombed Valley MLG Metropolis MLG Ohana MLG Tal'Darim Altar Would it really be bad for MLG to get rid of say Antiga, Metropolis and TDA and replace them with 3 new maps? They'd still have the other 4 to "fall" back on yet it'd bring newer maps in to spice up the map pool. NASL was actually fairly good with their map pool imo, they changed it up a good chunk season to season. Just looking from Season 3 to Season 4 for instance the only maps that stayed the same were Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak & Ohana. I'm hoping Season 5 we see more changes to the map pool, maybe get rid of CK, Daybreak and Ohana this time which means they'd completely change their map pool in 2 seasons, which is great. It gets shitty when we still see TDA after 2 years, we still see Daybreak after 2 years, we still see Metropolis after 1 year. Weird that people are still scared of the possibility of an imbalanced map when maps like Metropolis are still getting used (go go zergs) | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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jworld
Australia41 Posts
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On January 03 2013 10:10 Zenbrez wrote: I remember Day9, Nony, among others, used to comment and ask tournaments (through shows, not directly) to only use a small number, of familiar maps. We get this and we're not happy? I do agree though, these maps are getting quite boring. Well, tournaments still aren't using 5 maps, usually seven. If they were, similar to ESVDiamond's thread on making a tournament map pool, hopefully tournaments would add newer maps more often, not less. Adding one new map each season/tournament is a lot less scary for pro players (who are almost always timid of new maps) when there's only 5 total maps rather than 7 in the pool. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338532 I watch SC2 more than anyone I personally know, I've bought HD streams for IPL/MLG/Proleague/etc this year, but I don't know if I can keep watching every major tournament without them refreshing their map pools. And it can't be a one time thing. These tournaments need to have it figured out how often they should be refreshing their maps, and have it done before the community starts getting tired of the same maps, not after. Blizzard of course should take this to heart as well. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On January 03 2013 10:57 Finnz wrote: What ever happened to ESV? We are still around. Actually why we have been so quiet is due to the problem in the OP. It's pointless to make WoL maps as soon as the HotS beta hit as no one would use them, and there is no major HotS tournaments yet (not part of the OP, just relevant). | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On January 03 2013 11:53 Diamond wrote: We are still around. Actually why we have been so quiet is due to the problem in the OP. It's pointless to make WoL maps as soon as the HotS beta hit as no one would use them, and there is no major HotS tournaments yet (not part of the OP, just relevant). I hope to see more ESV weekly or whatevers. There were some awesome maps in those little tournaments. I didn't get to watch them much this year because of work though =( But yeah, looking forward to the HotS maps from you guys specifically! | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
PS: please use more diverse team colors. Red vs. Blue every damn game gets old FAST. At least it's not so bad with PL as we also have orange and green. | ||
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xHadoken
United States171 Posts
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Some of the best maps are old like Daybreak. We should only replace maps when they are better not newer. IMHO | ||
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