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Without knowing, if someone said that's Supernova I'd like to know what that person is on and if I can have some.
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Maybe it doesn't look as real as we see it in pictures..
It's usually obvious that someone underwent plastic surgery, but these pictures don't suggest that immediately.
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This thread is full of a lot of observer privilege, and by that I mean a lot of folks seem over-invested in the judgmental capacity of their own perspective rather than acknowledging another's right to "look" how they want to. Sure, there are cases where shallow people get plastic surgery for purely cosmetic reasons, but to judge someone for exercising personal agency when it comes to appearance is about as shallow as it gets. Instead of thinking "Oh, this person has changed the way they look, they must be misrepresenting themselves.", try and consider the possibility that someone's identity and their physical appearance might be at representational odds. The same sort of thing happens when transgender issues get brought up; people ought to have the right to be called what they like and look how they desire, within the boundaries of good health of course.
(And if you are one of those people who thinks "Any dramatic alteration of your physical appearance is unhealthy", then I would suggest that you do some research on the psychology of identification and self-image, these things are never so simple.)
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On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 23:18 Wildmoon wrote:
I think he looked better before. He looks kinda girlish with this new look. every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish
I think someone like David Kim,Polt or MMA look pretty ok and they don't look girlish at all.
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On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:00 Apolo wrote:On December 29 2012 02:26 Xpace wrote:AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, AUGMENTATIVE or COSMETIC surgery is completely different from CORRECTIVE, or RECONSTRUCTIVE surgery; not so much in their practical applications, but in their reasoning. There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote:
Respect as a human being: Gone.
Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there.
Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: " What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote:In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true  And WOW @ Stork! Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. On December 28 2012 22:15 Corrosive wrote:
You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it?
Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote:
I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest
Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in.
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On December 29 2012 04:33 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote:On December 29 2012 04:00 Apolo wrote:On December 29 2012 02:26 Xpace wrote:AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, AUGMENTATIVE or COSMETIC surgery is completely different from CORRECTIVE, or RECONSTRUCTIVE surgery; not so much in their practical applications, but in their reasoning. There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote:
Respect as a human being: Gone.
Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there.
Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: " What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote:In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true And WOW @ Stork! Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. On December 28 2012 22:15 Corrosive wrote:
You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it?
Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote:
I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest It's not a lie if they do look like that. You're assuming how they used to be is how they really are which isn't the case. They are as they present themselves. Who are you to define someones individual reality?
Obviously would be why i stated it was how I personally view them. Who are you to define my individual reality?
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On December 29 2012 05:04 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote:On December 29 2012 04:00 Apolo wrote:On December 29 2012 02:26 Xpace wrote:AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, AUGMENTATIVE or COSMETIC surgery is completely different from CORRECTIVE, or RECONSTRUCTIVE surgery; not so much in their practical applications, but in their reasoning. There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote:
Respect as a human being: Gone.
Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there.
Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: " What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote:In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true And WOW @ Stork! Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. On December 28 2012 22:15 Corrosive wrote:
You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it?
Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote:
I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in.
I do not grok.
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On December 29 2012 05:04 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:29 sc14s wrote:On December 29 2012 04:00 Apolo wrote:On December 29 2012 02:26 Xpace wrote:AESTHETIC ENHANCEMENT, AUGMENTATIVE or COSMETIC surgery is completely different from CORRECTIVE, or RECONSTRUCTIVE surgery; not so much in their practical applications, but in their reasoning. There is a big difference between fixing abnormalities caused by accidents such as burns, or repairing human functions from impairment, to "I want to look like a pop star." My original quote + Show Spoiler +On December 28 2012 21:44 Xpace wrote:
Respect as a human being: Gone.
Respect as a pro-gamer: Still there.
Just my 2c. Plastic surgery? What was wrong with him beforehand?? Please note my question at the end: " What was wrong with him beforehand?" Were his eyes so impaired that he couldn't see the mini-map clearly and he therefore needed corrective surgery to continue his career as a pro-gamer as a way to make a living? Or was he simply dissatisfied with his looks that he wanted to look more like a K-drama supporting actor? On December 28 2012 22:22 Snowbear wrote:In Belgium it's almost standard to correct your teeth around age 14-15 (braces). I wonder if this plastic surgery is the next step? Ask yourself: if 80% of the children get plastic surgery from their parents, would you give it also to your child? If you don't, it won't fit in the "group". Sad but true And WOW @ Stork! Crooked teeth leads to things like periodontal disease and chronic inflammation; they're also harder to clean even if you're diligent about brushing and flossing. I'm not a dentist nor have I read beyond the pamphlets and posters I come across when I visit my dentist, so I won't go into this topic too far; but as you mentioned yourself, those individuals are CORRECTING their teeth for reasons related to health and hygiene. On December 28 2012 22:15 Corrosive wrote:
You lost your respect for someone because they didn't like how they looked and they changed it?
Do you lose your respect for people who cut their hair? He just had his eyelids done. That's a pretty bad strawman; I don't even know how to start with the haircut comparison. Seriously, what was wrong with him beforehand? On December 29 2012 00:26 Apolo wrote:
I guess you don't respect women that put silicone as well? Then you wouldn't also respect people in general that put makeup, right? Oooo bad me, trying to feel better about myself by changing the way i look. Who cares if my self-esteem is crap right? I will lose respect as a human being if i do comestic surgery. Seriously.... don't post stupid things like that. "Trying to feel better about myself" - seriously? Don't post stupid things that. You want to feel better about yourself? Volunteer at a homeless shelter or a soup kitchen. Donate some clothes you never wear to that man in rags down the street. Sponsor as many children as you can in Bangladesh. Make friends with that guy who has no friends because of his looks. There are many ways to reward yourself and make yourself feel like a good human being than "I want to look like X because Hollywood says so." I'm not hating on the guy. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. I'm not advocating that other people should look down on those who want to go under the knife to look like the people they see in magazines and on TV. It's just my personal opinion; I dislike aesthetic plastic surgery, I consider it unnecessary and fake, and I don't like how society pushes men to look like X, or women to look like Y, especially when the level of what's considered "beautiful" or "attractive" is so twisted and malformed by companies who are out to push products by shoving the face of a person who's 1 in 10'000 or 100'000, with a crew of 10 people applying make-up, lighting, and unrealistic scenarios topped off by abhorrent transformations through Photoshop or whatnot. A woman shouldn't need Cosmopolitan or Vogue to tell her she's beautiful, a man shouldn't need to look like a Calvin Klein underwear model to be confident in himself, people shouldn't need to feel so insecure that they'd twist themselves to conform to an unrealistic standard. I'm repeating it one last time; this is just my opinion on the matter. I do not and will not try and stop somebody from doing whatever makes them happy. But I have the right to judge someone as I see fit, just as some people judge me, fairly or unfairly, for whatever I do or don't do. What was wrong with him beforehand? Ok, so by that logic you must dress really poorly and never wear perfume. Bad clothes tend to be cheaper, so if you don't care about looks (because by your logic if you were feeling bad about yourself (which bad looks tend to do) you would go to a homeless shelter instead of changing your appearance by means of better clothes), might as well buy the cheapest thing. I suppose you also never put perfume, because it's also fake. Plastic surgery is as fake as makeup, or as fake as when you properly comb your hair with gel, or when you put perfume, or when you buy clothes that make you look more slim, or more fit... just not as permanent (except tatoos), at least for the time being. I also suppose, if there was a way to increase one's intelligence, you for sure, wouldn't take that, because it's fake, and because even if average there wasn't anything wrong with it before. "What's wrong with him?" Nothing, he just wanted to look better. At the end of your post i do agree with your words. We are pushed to very high heights of attractiveness and by comparison people feel less confident, but still that's not Supernova's fault... so that's why i think you were misleading your anger to Supernova when you actually meant to direct it at companies that portray beauty unrealisticly. i actually have alot less respect for people that get plastic surgery, put makeup on or try to "fake" what they look like, i dont care if someone isn't a supermodel but i do care if you are basically trying to physically lie (in my eyes) about what you look like, it feels dishonest Lol and I thought I'm superficial. You have less respect for people that wear makeup, shave or do basically anything to not look like a damn monkey? Must be a good world for you to live in.
its funny that you put words in my mouth. Also demeaning monkeys is cool.
i would consider myself not very superficial. I don't actually distrust someone because they wear makeup or get plastic surgery, its just something that i notice and would prefer it otherwise. You sort of misunderstood my statement.
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On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 23:18 Wildmoon wrote:
I think he looked better before. He looks kinda girlish with this new look. every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish
The mantoss is not amused by your claim.
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Good for him. Looking great!
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Did he get surgery?
Honest question. As a KPop enthusiast.
Edit: Lol. I can't read. Nvm.
Edited right as you posted.
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On December 29 2012 05:15 Tiegrr wrote:
Did he get surgery?
Honest question. As a KPop enthusiast.
Read the first two sentences of thread maybe?
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On December 29 2012 05:12 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:18 ROOTFayth wrote:On December 28 2012 23:18 Wildmoon wrote:
I think he looked better before. He looks kinda girlish with this new look. every single good looking korean men look kinda girlish The mantoss is not amused by your claim. + Show Spoiler +
LOL yeah there are a few exceptions, his hair are still pretty girlyish
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Looks like a different person
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On December 29 2012 04:14 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 03:26 Tobberoth wrote:On December 29 2012 03:24 mahO wrote:On December 28 2012 22:50 Steglich wrote:
Changing your looks that dramatically is wrong. I can't even recognize him This. I mean if someone really feels unhappy about his appearance I can somehow understand the need to change it, well not personally but I guess I could get that, but I checked for a good minute the pictures to check if the ears were the same, the neck, because I really couldnt recognize him at ALL, thats just wrong, it's not the same person... Funny thing about people saying stuff like that is that they think they aren't being shallow, when they are actually being ridiculously shallow. "He doesn't look the same, so he's a different person". His looks are just that, how he looks. He's the exact same person. It's like changing your fashion, just far more expensive and invasive. I'm talking about HIM, idiot, I'm not being shallow, he changed his own FACE, the face he saw in the mirror since his birth, the face he got from his genes, his elders, his parents, its part of HIM, I dont give a shit, I'm not judging, I'm saying its unhealthy to change your face to a point where his parents, his friends, will hardly recognize him, and even himself, will have trouble with it. There is a reason people have an obligation to get checked psychologically after changing face, so no, its not like "changing fashion" rofl Edit : It is to a point where fans wont recognize him at all at events, like "who the fuck is this guy?" "dunno maybe a broodwar pro", I mean seriously, you change your face that much if you want to go to Mexico and change identity
Changing your face, no matter how much you've looked at it in the mirror, is still just changing your exterior. YOU might have a certain viewpoint about what it means to change your face using surgery, but it's important to realize that that's YOUR perspective and it's not shared by the korean populace in general. They see it as nothing more than fashion, no matter what you think about it, and while you would possibly have a huge psychological reaction, the same might not be true for koreans who already view cosmetic surgery differently than you. To them, it's not even close to as big of a deal as you think.
Honestly, if people get psychological issues just because they look different in the mirror, we should probably ask people who use a ton of make up or dye their hair to look completely different to take psychological exams as well. You might consider the difference between dying your hair and changing your face huge, but koreans don't.
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That looks pretty disgusting.
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On December 29 2012 04:53 trinxified wrote:
Maybe it doesn't look as real as we see it in pictures..
It's usually obvious that someone underwent plastic surgery, but these pictures don't suggest that immediately.
You'd be surprised just how many people have done plastic surgeries, even around daily life. My mom works as lab tech with a dermatologist clinic, and the nurses there get free treatment as favors. You only think they are easy to recognize because you assume only those you recognized have done it.
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good move he looks substantially better
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On December 29 2012 05:28 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 04:53 trinxified wrote:
Maybe it doesn't look as real as we see it in pictures..
It's usually obvious that someone underwent plastic surgery, but these pictures don't suggest that immediately. You'd be surprised just how many people have done plastic surgeries, even around daily life. My mom works as lab tech with a dermatologist clinic, and the many nurses nurses there get free treatment as favors. You only think they are easy to recognize because you assume only those you recognized have done it.
This. If someone with no boobs get a huge boob job, it's obviously very noticeable, but smaller changes won't be all that noticeable, especially if you don't know the person very well. I mean, look at the old SNSD music videos, then look at new ones. It's clearly noticeable that they've all had work done, but it's far harder to pinpoint what they've done and I'd say it's still often far less noticeable than the pictures of supernova in this thread.
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On December 29 2012 04:05 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 03:26 Tobberoth wrote:On December 29 2012 03:24 mahO wrote:On December 28 2012 22:50 Steglich wrote:
Changing your looks that dramatically is wrong. I can't even recognize him This. I mean if someone really feels unhappy about his appearance I can somehow understand the need to change it, well not personally but I guess I could get that, but I checked for a good minute the pictures to check if the ears were the same, the neck, because I really couldnt recognize him at ALL, thats just wrong, it's not the same person... Funny thing about people saying stuff like that is that they think they aren't being shallow, when they are actually being ridiculously shallow. "He doesn't look the same, so he's a different person". His looks are just that, how he looks. He's the exact same person. It's like changing your fashion, just far more expensive and invasive. its really not. Changing your appearance via cosmetic surgery has a massive psychological effect, most people who have it also have a large shift in self perception and personality. Changing your clothes might make you feel better about yourself, but it doesn't change who you are, because when you look in the mirror you still have the same face and body staring back at you.
who you are isn't static, it is dynamic. he previously had quite a number of unattractive features (really small eyes, even for an Asian, kind of crooked nose as well, a little bit more like a parrot).
his new look is much more 'normal', what's wrong with altering your appearance to feel better about yourself.
acquiring a different look (even clothes) if you want to make it consistent does require some difference in psychological evaluation of yourself, you have to *want* to look good on some level, to care about how well you look -- people who generally dress poorly have no desire to look good (could be a self esteem issue, could be that they truly don't care about it) its rarely a question of 'i dont know how to look good'.
the reason i say this is that -- nice clothes usually demand on behalf of the wearer of said clothes to look better (to be somewhat slim, in shape, fit into clothes that are created to a 'general size' better), and to pay attention to color coordination, etc...
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