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Omg Fantasy vs Flash o__O
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That is a lot of mirror matches..
Fantasy vs Flash?
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Heh, mirror matchup week for EGTL. 11 out of 12 matches are mirrors...
Lots of good TvTs
Taeja v Bogus
Flash v Fantasy
Flash v Bogus
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is there a proleague iCal something I can import to Google Calendar?
thanks in advance
- knew that's teamliquid one including all the matches, just wondering is there one that include pro league only
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Woah, Bisu is playing a game. At least it is pvp, this should be to his advantage if he learned the meta correctly.
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time for flash to get his revenge!
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wow lol mirror mu galor for EGTL all are mirror except 1 match xD.
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TAEJA VS BOGUS? FANTASY VS FLASH? HERO VS RAIN? FLASH VS BOGUS? PUMA VS FANTASY? omgomgomgomg, sho da excited.
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TaeJa vs Bogus
Fantasy vs Flash
Flash vs Bogus
Some pretty damn amazing TvTs this week!
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So many mirrors, Flash vs Fantasy ^_^
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lol Ohana(2/10 Not Protoss), Arkanoid(2/12 Not Terran), and TDA(3/16 Not Zerg)
at least we will get to see some amazing TvT games this week, holy shit.
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On December 27 2012 13:14 Darion wrote:
TaeJa vs Bogus
Fantasy vs Flash
Flash vs Bogus
Some pretty damn amazing TvTs this week!
*thumbsup* Can't wait to catch these.
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Wow... Flash vs bogus.
Keen
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I hope you guys like mirror match-ups... because EG-TL vs. STX Soul has 6 of them and EG-TL vs. SKT has 5 of them.
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Not a good draw for EG-TL against STX, their best players are against STX's best players, anything can happen. But some of their bad players are almost at sure loss.
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On December 27 2012 13:44 iLoveKT wrote:
holy mirrors.
What? Only more than half of the games are mirrors...
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Fantasy vs Flash OH HELL YES
excitement building~
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Light vs Stork is pretty awesome too, although its not BW
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On December 27 2012 13:31 ZerglingTwins wrote:
Not a good draw for EG-TL against STX, their best players are against STX's best players, anything can happen. But some of their bad players are almost at sure loss.
I'd actually say quite the opposite. JYP, Thorzain and PuMa all have a chance. They are all in mirrors against players that haven't been too spectacular of late. JD is pretty much a guaranteed win. I'd also give JYP the edge against mini. So, as long as one of TaeJa, HerO, ThorZaiN, or PuMa can win, they can probably take it.
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Ugh, so many mirrors. At least we have some good TvTs.
Fantasy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Light vs. Stork
Holy shit.
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Good to see EG-TL keeping confidence in PuMa and Thorzain. Obviously there's a reason they're still being picked. I'm sure they are both practice beasts and just need to overcome nerves on stage.
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Flash vs Fantasy on Antiga
My body is not ready
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STX vs EGTL gonna be a good match! Also hope bisu does good so he becomes a regular for SKT
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On December 27 2012 13:14 Darion wrote:
TaeJa vs Bogus
Fantasy vs Flash
Flash vs Bogus
Some pretty damn amazing TvTs this week!
wow
im so excited for these matches
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Wow, EG-TL vs STX is all mirrors, should be an interesting match :D
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Ahh damn Bisu vs Stats. Hopefully Bisu does good.
Excited for Flash vs Fantasy.
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fantasy flashhhh.. yeah buddy osl REVENGE
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EGTL vs STX might be boring, since they're all mirrors. Same for most of the other matches of the week. It'll come down to the players bringing the excitement, and gladly, it looks like some of them have great players vs great players.
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On December 27 2012 13:46 Elite_ wrote:What? Only more than half of the games are mirrors...
against stx soul all 6 matches are mirrors
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On December 27 2012 14:02 Madera wrote:
Ugh, so many mirrors. At least we have some good TvTs.
Fantasy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Light vs. Stork
Holy shit.
Hell yea dude. Best matchup in the gamn by a damn mile
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On December 27 2012 13:10 vthree wrote:
Heh, mirror matchup week for EGTL. 11 out of 12 matches are mirrors...
Lots of good TvTs
Taeja v Bogus
Flash v Fantasy
Flash v Bogus
Very excited for these!
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Good matchups, although i regret my fantasy picks of puma and thorzain haha.
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So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.
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JYJ playing twice yay =D
Thinking of swapping s2 for Puma...unsure though. Even though puma isn't playing great lately, s2 seems to only be in 1/2 or less of the games.
EDIT: And mirrors are largely a response to the team's understanding of the maps and what races work well on them. Also can't wait to see AKill mix it up though.
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TaeJa vs. Bogus
HerO vs. Dear
JaeDong vs. Hyvaa
ARE YOU KIDDING!!! oh my gawd such sick games.
and shit i have fantasy and flash on my team TT
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On December 27 2012 15:20 TommyP wrote:
TaeJa vs. Bogus
HerO vs. Dear
JaeDong vs. Hyvaa
ARE YOU KIDDING!!! oh my gawd such sick games.
and shit i have fantasy and flash on my team TT
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Looks cool, but only mirror matches in EG-Liquid vs STX Soul? 
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On December 27 2012 15:29 Locke- wrote:Looks cool, but only mirror matches in EG-Liquid vs STX Soul?
its gonna be quite a fun ride. Gogo STX.
EDIT: Light playing twice, one of them is against storkuu ;_; <3
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EG-TL drew some alright matches, looking forward to seeing what they can do this week.
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SKT vs KT
fantasy vs flash
better start a banner contest already :p
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Oh my god all those TvTs with great players.
I think I just died and went to heaven.
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Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting!
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this should be interesting
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Oh god, these TvT...
Fantasy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Come on Fantasy, you're my captain \m/
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only about half of the matches are mirror matches (which is theoretically the correct proportion since there are 3 mirror matchups and 3 non-mirror matchups in starcraft). It just seems like there are a lot of mirror matches since the eg-stx matchup has all mirror matchups and that is listed first.
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On December 27 2012 16:19 omnikaush wrote:
only about half of the matches are mirror matches (which is theoretically the correct proportion since there are 3 mirror matchups and 3 non-mirror matchups in starcraft). It just seems like there are a lot of mirror matches since the eg-stx matchup has all mirror matchups and that is listed first.
Statistically, there should be 1/3 mirror matchups, assuming that each race in a matchup with picked uniformly at random (you can see this since ZvP can come up ZP or PZ, making it twice as likely as a ZvZ, which can only happen as ZZ).
On the other hand, you can't assume that the races are picked uniformly at random, since, for example, teams are going to pick Terran on Arkanoid.
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FLASH VS FANTASY!! Should be exciting
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What is with EGTL just playing mirrors? going to be some fucking amazing games though! i really cant wait
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Bisu v Stats
Flash v Fantasy
yeeeeee.
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This is the week guys. We're gonna see HerO ace two times if need be. The idea of HerO vs Bogus & HerO vs Rain rematch is awesome. Not just as a fan but as someone who loves good games.
Oh and then I notice he's actually just gonna play Rain anyway. Sickest week ever. Some roflwtf-good TvTs too.
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On December 27 2012 16:36 Hoonose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 16:19 omnikaush wrote:
only about half of the matches are mirror matches (which is theoretically the correct proportion since there are 3 mirror matchups and 3 non-mirror matchups in starcraft). It just seems like there are a lot of mirror matches since the eg-stx matchup has all mirror matchups and that is listed first. Statistically, there should be 1/3 mirror matchups, assuming that each race in a matchup with picked uniformly at random (you can see this since ZvP can come up ZP or PZ, making it twice as likely as a ZvZ, which can only happen as ZZ). On the other hand, you can't assume that the races are picked uniformly at random, since, for example, teams are going to pick Terran on Arkanoid.
So far, it seems like
TDA is mainly Z (~90%)
Arkanoid is mainly T (~80%)
Caldeum is mainly P (~80%)
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Most likely will be good games:
TaeJa vs. Bogus
FanTaSy vs. Flash
Flash vs. Bogus
Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep-ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.)
PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.)
JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.)
EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.)
sKyHigh vs. BaBy
Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4:
ThorZaIN vs. Classic
PuMa vs. Last
HerO vs. Rain
(Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.)
On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting!
If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2gate coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man...
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My 2 favourite kespa player coliding, FvF
LOL (lots of Love)
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On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol.
Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds.
I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.
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Great games for entertainment. Fucking terrible for my FPL.
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If SKT vs KT reaches ACE Im glad to see Rain winning over Flash.
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How in the world will we ever see a DRAW (decided by kespa) SC2 game?
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On December 27 2012 18:13 elmerpogs wrote:
If SKT vs KT reaches ACE Im glad to see Rain winning over Flash.
Well you can dream... But seriously it will go to the ace match... and the god will take it ^^
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On December 27 2012 18:22 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 18:13 elmerpogs wrote:
If SKT vs KT reaches ACE Im glad to see Rain winning over Flash. Well you can dream... But seriously it will go to the ace match... and the god will take it ^^
Ever watched the SKT vs KT pregame? Flash was not impressed and GGed.Im sure there will be a rewind if ACE happens this 29th.
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God... Fantasy vs Flash then vs Bogus... KT will have a hard time for first play but i chear for them anyway !
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On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun.
Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.
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so many mirrors, go EGTL and KT !!
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Those TvTs will be the most heartwarming thing for me.
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On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps.
WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.
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On December 27 2012 17:28 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 16:36 Hoonose wrote:On December 27 2012 16:19 omnikaush wrote:
only about half of the matches are mirror matches (which is theoretically the correct proportion since there are 3 mirror matchups and 3 non-mirror matchups in starcraft). It just seems like there are a lot of mirror matches since the eg-stx matchup has all mirror matchups and that is listed first. Statistically, there should be 1/3 mirror matchups, assuming that each race in a matchup with picked uniformly at random (you can see this since ZvP can come up ZP or PZ, making it twice as likely as a ZvZ, which can only happen as ZZ). On the other hand, you can't assume that the races are picked uniformly at random, since, for example, teams are going to pick Terran on Arkanoid. So far, it seems like TDA is mainly Z (~90%) Arkanoid is mainly T (~80%) Caldeum is mainly P (~80%)
It feels like there's a bit of an issue with the maps, too many maps favor a certain race so hopefully they'll soon change the maps up a bit. I think also Ohana we see Protoss a lot (possibly Cloud Kingdom as well). Then Antiga mostly Terrans as well. I think people said somewhere Kespa doesn't mind changing the maps quickly, hopefully that's true.
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On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO.
Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.
Abyssal City is too anti protoss, Ohana is is the better choice imo.
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On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it.
Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim.
I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.
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Flash vs. Fantasy REMATCH MOTHERFUCKER
Not excited for Rain vs. Hero at all. Lategame got too stale.
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On December 27 2012 17:32 Elite_ wrote:Most likely will be good games: TaeJa vs. Bogus FanTaSy vs. Flash Flash vs. Bogus Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep- ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.) PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.) JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.) EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.) sKyHigh vs. BaBy Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4: ThorZaIN vs. Classic PuMa vs. Last HerO vs. Rain (Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.) Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting! If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2rax coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man...
i disagree, bogus will probably defeat taeja atm. also how can mini proxy2rax lol
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On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it. Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim. I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.
daybreak is also widely considered a very wellmade perfect map, up until whirlwind came in, larger maps make for better and more balanced gameplay, whirlwind for example creates some of the best games ever, like ryung vs flash, ryung vs drg etc
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Is the last week before round 2? if it is i need to trade beSt cuz he isnt playing this week...
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On December 27 2012 21:48 Blezza wrote:
Is the last week before round 2? if it is i need to trade beSt cuz he isnt playing this week...
yup, it's the last week
On December 27 2012 21:46 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it. Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim. I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though. daybreak is also widely considered a very wellmade perfect map, up until whirlwind came in, larger maps make for better and more balanced gameplay, whirlwind for example creates some of the best games ever, like ryung vs flash, ryung vs drg etc
daybreak is pretty boring imo
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On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it. Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim. I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though.
Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol.
I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced.
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what do you guys think of these trades?
crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team
last week, might as well go crazy haha
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On December 27 2012 21:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it. Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim. I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though. Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol. I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced.
Obsession with balance has also gotten us to a point of watching the most boring era of Starcraft since beta, and people are still unhappy with overall balance anyway, so not much was really accomplished anyway. I still have better memories of Steppes of War games than I have of Daybreak.
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On December 27 2012 21:57 opterown wrote:
what do you guys think of these trades?
crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team
last week, might as well go crazy haha
Hmmm. Flash has to play Rain and Fantasy is pretty good too so I can kinda see that. I'd just pick HerO for main team already if I were you though 
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On December 27 2012 21:57 opterown wrote:
what do you guys think of these trades?
crazy-hydra for songduri
wooki for bbyong
hero[join] for flash on anti-team
last week, might as well go crazy haha
i think you were stupid for getting hero on your anti team haha
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On December 27 2012 21:58 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 21:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 21:10 Talin wrote:On December 27 2012 19:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 27 2012 19:40 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 18:58 vthree wrote:On December 27 2012 17:47 pdd wrote:On December 27 2012 15:04 geno wrote:
So uhhh.. this mirror thing could start to become a problem. Can't wait for the all-kill format next round, lol. Phasing out maps like Antiga, Ohana and Tal'Darim Altar could also fix it in future non all-kill rounds. I know Arkanoid and Caldeum are TvT and PvP prone respective, but those are newer maps and it'll be nice to see them stick around for longer. Plus TvTs and TvZs on Arkanoid are really really fun. Well, which maps would you place them with? WW and Abyssal aren't that great. Adding even more new maps would really tax the players in learning new maps. Remember that this current month is actually really good for players to learn new maps due to not many other tournaments going on. Start January, GSL will be starting and you will get foreign tournaments as well. Not sure if you want to throw in 3-4 new maps in Round 2. Maybe for Round 3, we can see some new maps. WW, Daybreak (even though it's kinda outdated) and Abyssal are all probably better than Ohana and Tal'Darim IMO. Daybreak > Tal'Darim, no question about it. Daybreak is the boringest map ever made that promotes cookie cutter builds leading into terrible deathball games in almost every matchup and I'd rather watch games on Steppes of War, let alone Tal Darim. I'm down with replacing Ohana with Abyssal though. Yes, but it's also a fair map which Tal'Darim is not. Let alone Steppes of War, lol. I like playing TDA on ladder, I still think it's a cool map. But goddamn, it's not balanced. Obsession with balance has also gotten us to a point of watching the most boring era of Starcraft since beta, and people are still unhappy with overall balance anyway, so not much was really accomplished anyway. I still have better memories of Steppes of War games than I have of Daybreak.
Crossfire was one hell of a map. LR threads always complained about it then went wild every second game. If the fourth expansion was "better" then imo it would still be used. I wish people would take some of the older maps and try work them again.
Anyway, I sort of agree with the sentiment. We need variety, but at the same time people's careers are on the line here. It's not nice for a tournament to rig maps to be better for one race.
Team leagues allow better variations in maps over individual leagues. Unless they had a large map pool and vetoes(plural). As it is people have noted map pools in some tournaments being ridiculous,
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Saturday is going to be sick.
EGTL and one of the most amazing matches this season, also for my fantasy PL team.
fantasy (captain) vs flash
but then I have KT as my team^^ but also have soo in my team
Rain vs Wooki
see bisu get owned
confusing but incredible match
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fanta flash
bogus flash
hero rain..
awww yeee
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Awesome matchups this week, I look forward to enjoying some quality TvT.
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On December 27 2012 21:44 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 17:32 Elite_ wrote:Most likely will be good games: TaeJa vs. Bogus FanTaSy vs. Flash Flash vs. Bogus Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep- ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.) PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.) JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.) EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.) sKyHigh vs. BaBy Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4: ThorZaIN vs. Classic PuMa vs. Last HerO vs. Rain (Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.) On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting! If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2rax coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man... i disagree, bogus will probably defeat taeja atm. also how can mini proxy2rax lol
Well Taeja's TvP is nearly as good as last summer but his TvT is still super solid. Still we'll have to see what happens
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Round 2 is All-Kill iirc so Round 3 is likely to be the time new maps are added in, if they are at all. Which should be after early rounds of GSL letting people still in practice maps in GSL while people out do the maps not in GSL.
Enjoying the Proleague so far even if not catching much of it live and having to watch it on youtube later 
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Austria24422 Posts
I'll most certainly buy a subscription soon. For PL and GSL. Too long time no korean starcraft.
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On December 27 2012 23:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'll most certainly buy a subscription soon. For PL and GSL. Too long time no korean starcraft. i just have for pl.
The only problem i have atm is the lag with twitch vods in general
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Fantasy and flash :o so hyped for that!!! Also we could see thorzain take a first foreigner proleague win soon!
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What the hell with EG-Liquid vs STX Soul's lineup...
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On December 28 2012 00:11 DKR wrote:
Fantasy and flash :o so hyped for that!!! Also we could see thorzain take a first foreigner proleague win soon!
First foreigner proleague win? What about Elky, Assem, Legionnaire? :/
Oh and definitely +1 for the Flash vs Fantasy hype. It's going to be legendary. :E
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Gahhhhh, why is Jaedong always playing mirror
I love his ZvT so much!
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OH GOD FLASH VERSUS FANTASY
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so many mirror mu's. I am really excited to watch JD play some amazing zvz again though, love watching him play.
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On December 28 2012 00:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 00:11 DKR wrote:
Fantasy and flash :o so hyped for that!!! Also we could see thorzain take a first foreigner proleague win soon!
First foreigner proleague win? What about Elky, Assem, Legionnaire? :/ Oh and definitely +1 for the Flash vs Fantasy hype. It's going to be legendary. :E
first time in like 6 years tho 
SO MANY MIRRORS!!
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So many mirrors. Flash vs Fantasy and Jaedong playing a ZvZ. :D
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Final week for this round. Quite a few good matchups.
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On December 28 2012 01:30 Koerage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 00:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On December 28 2012 00:11 DKR wrote:
Fantasy and flash :o so hyped for that!!! Also we could see thorzain take a first foreigner proleague win soon!
First foreigner proleague win? What about Elky, Assem, Legionnaire? :/ Oh and definitely +1 for the Flash vs Fantasy hype. It's going to be legendary. :E first time in like 6 years tho SO MANY MIRRORS!!
I think DKR meant to say ThorZain could be the first foreigner to win a SC2 Pro League Match. We really need to stop combining the two games together when we talk about their results. -_-
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On December 27 2012 21:44 X3GoldDot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 17:32 Elite_ wrote:Most likely will be good games: TaeJa vs. Bogus FanTaSy vs. Flash Flash vs. Bogus Zenio vs. Sacsri (Zenio vs. Zerg is usually >ep- ic!<... I highly recommend the two linked games if you have a hour.) PuMa vs. FanTaSy (I know his game against sOs was disappointing, but this is PuMa vs. Terran.) JYP vs. soO (I know it's PvZ, but it's JYPvZ. Not standard [Immortal Sentry/Infestor Brood Lord] PvZ.) EffOrt vs. Jaehoon (If you like watching a hilariously bad ZvP player.) sKyHigh vs. BaBy Most likely will be good games if the series gets past game 4: ThorZaIN vs. Classic PuMa vs. Last HerO vs. Rain (Yes, I'm EG-TL biased in terms of good games, but I haven't seen enough of the other players to know if they're good.) On December 27 2012 16:13 Adersick wrote:
Thorzain on Arkanoid in TvT... I anxiously await to see how this pans out. I don't care what statistics say- Thorzain has this! EG-TL fighting! If it even gets to game 5... I see a possible sweep for EG-TL... HerO's PvP has been amazing lately... JYP has to play Mini, which if JYP scouts the proxy 2rax coming, he'll win, and he usually scouts... Watch the Jaedong vs. ZerO VOD if you have any doubts in his ZvZ... and It's TaeJa... How can you doubt TaeJa? Even if it is Bogus, man... i disagree, bogus will probably defeat taeja atm. also how can mini proxy2rax lol
2rax, 2gate... You know what I mean... lol
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On December 27 2012 13:21 opterown wrote:nice formatting, i like
I like them too, clean and simple - easy to read.
Also, why does every single week, coaches keep sending out Zergs on Ohana?? They know that they'll almost always meet a protoss there...and then gets choo chooed.
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On December 28 2012 00:38 tili wrote:Gahhhhh, why is Jaedong always playing mirror I love his ZvT so much!
Are you saying you love watching JD lose?
wtfbrO?!
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Seems like Khan doesn't know how to not send out Shine on TDA... lol.
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On December 28 2012 23:17 Hall0wed wrote:
Seems like Khan doesn't know how to not send out Shine on TDA... lol.
This is how January trolls SC2.
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Strange that this thread has not been community-featured yet as all the lineup threads before. Hope people see this in time for their FPL trades, as the games begin in 9 hours. xD
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Fantasy vs Flash is gonna be good. I guess it's good for my fantasy team regardless of results, since I have them both on my team. Going to be difficult to decide who to cheer for though...
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Russian Federation1132 Posts
I say Pantajy will own Flash again - that's nice. And Bisu will win also.
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On December 27 2012 13:10 vthree wrote:
Heh, mirror matchup week for EGTL. 11 out of 12 matches are mirrors...
Lots of good TvTs
Taeja v Bogus
Flash v Fantasy
Flash v Bogus
GO BOGUS, fuck bonjwa and teaja lol j/k. im rooting for bogus cause hes my team cpt
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EPT
2012-2013 Proleague/Round 1![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/2/2d/Eg-Liquidlogo_std.png)
EG-Liquid vs STX Soul ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/5/51/STXlogo_std.png)
HerO < Cloud Kingdom > 
Jaedong < Tal'darim Altar > 
TaeJa < Antiga Shipyard > ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t21SI.png)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/0/06/SKT1logo_std.png)
SK Telecom T1 vs KT Rolster ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/d/da/Rolsterlogo_std.png)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/b/b0/Woongjinlogo_std.png)
Woongjin Stars vs Team 8 ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/5/5e/KeSPA_Logo_std.png)
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/1/17/Khanlogo_std.png)
Samsung Khan vs CJ Entus ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/d/dd/CJEntuslogo_std.png)
