EPTPlz change back to BW and have a rematch on Polaris Raphsody (yes I know terrible map, but the game was just so good).
[SPL]Round 1 Week 2 Lineups! - Page 12
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revy
United States1524 Posts
Plz change back to BW and have a rematch on Polaris Raphsody (yes I know terrible map, but the game was just so good). | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On December 14 2012 05:58 Dosey wrote: Action +9 Actions value will only rise after this week and is probably the best option, so the chances to get him for as cheap as he is are slimming. KT will probably take both matches as well. I'd be banking on him having a big week. Shine +4 Shine is a possibility if you want to go 1-1. He was miserable last week, but so was Trap, so he could possibly take that. However, I don't see him taking down JD in his best matchup on a map he gets to practice all week. Khan will also be going 1-1 at best. Crazy-Hydra +3 He only gets one match this week and probably wont play it. I'd pass on him for Action considering they are on the same team. Sacsri +2 Has no matches, easy pass. Points only come from T1 winning both their matches. Calm +1 Here is another easy pass as he doesn't have a match this week either. Both of STX's matches will be close. Ryul2 +0 He has Flash and Fantasy. That's almost as bad as having Hero and Bogus. T8 isn't going to win either. Pass. ZerO +0 He is good, but I don't know what WJS is thinking giving a Zerg the most anti-zerg map 3x in a row. Until we see how the metagame on that map will develop, I will always put a Zerg at a disadvantage there. This potentially decreasing ZerO's value even more making him even cheaper next trade week. I also don't see WJS winning either of their matches this week, so you also won't get points for that. Obvisouly Calm, Sacsri, Ryul2 are bad choices. Crazy-Hydra isn't that good of a pick either. However, I don't think that Action is clearly the best pick. First of all, there is no way that he gets +9 this week unless he plays an ace match which is highly unlikely. Furthermore, Action gets to play sHy, who is a beast and will most likely trash him completely. Also, Action's first match is in the 5. set and there is a chance that he won't even get to play it if hitman's all-in succeeds. KT is indeed favored in both their matches, though. Action's most likely earn this week is +5, although I wouldn't be surprised if he gets only +3. Of course neither ZerO nor Shine are in a great situtation either. However, both have a realistic chance for an individual win (vs best/vs trap) and a team win (vs SKT/vs STX and EGTL). I'd even say that Shine has somewhat of a chance to win both his matches. Not to mention that Shine might get yet another chance to play an ace match. Action is a safe bet, but Shine has potential to earn more points. ZerO is probably a worse choice than the other two, but better than all the other options. | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
reality vs. bogus -> not looking good for reality. bbyong vs jaedong -> i think he can win since jd wasnt that good in the last matches but its a risky move. skyhigh isnt playing  | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On December 15 2012 01:50 Finrod1 wrote: Any good suggestions if i should trade Last? I think he is going to lose against roro. But i'm not sure if reality, bbyong, skyhigh are good choices. reality vs. bogus -> not looking good for reality. bbyong vs jaedong -> i think he can win since jd wasnt that good in the last matches but its a risky move. skyhigh isnt playing In my opinion you should either trade for bbyong or keep Last, I think STX is going to win both their matches this week so you have to take that into account when trading players. Ok so let's analyze this, bbyong is playing on Tal'Darim and depending on the spawn positions that can be pretty heavily Terran favored in TvZ. He's also going to play a TvP against Trap on Planet S, looking at TLPD Trap is 6-6 50% in PvT, while bbyong is 5-7 41.67%. These sample sizes aren't huge so you cannot take them as absolutes but I think Trap most likely wins that game, I haven't seen enough Planet S games to be able to judge map balance in TvP on it. In fact I don't think I've seen a single one. For Last, he plays Roro on Arkanoid and a TvT against Skyhigh on Ohana. TLPD shows Last at 6-2 TvZ 75% and Roro at 10-4 ZvT 71.43%. Both of them are very good at the matchup if we look purely at the stats but if we look at the quality of opponents Roro has had tougher ones, he's also in Code S after beating Fantasy in a ZvT last night. Skyhigh is known as a TvT expert so he " should " be favored in that match, he had very few TvT games recorded on TLPD so It's hard to make a judgement from a 3-2 record. Since he was sent out on Ohana I don't think he was expecting a Terran opponent, more likely a Protoss. I think Last can win that but It's not guaranteed, maybe 45/55 in favor of skyhigh. If you believe Last can go 2-0 I would keep him, if you think he will go 1-1 or 0-2 trade for bbyong. I think STX has a higher chance to win their series' but bbyong has a higher chance to win his actual games. I believe this week we won't be able to make trades between the end of the second day at the start of the third day, there's 4 match days in a row so Skyhigh will actually play 1 game. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:52 poorcloud wrote: T v P on freaking arkanoid. Jaehoon better have some special strats prepared for this... i hope he goes 3 base mass carriers | ||
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
On December 15 2012 02:03 Dodgin wrote: In my opinion you should either trade for bbyong or keep Last, I think STX is going to win both their matches this week so you have to take that into account when trading players. Ok so let's analyze this, bbyong is playing on Tal'Darim and depending on the spawn positions that can be pretty heavily Terran favored in TvZ. He's also going to play a TvP against Trap on Planet S, looking at TLPD Trap is 6-6 50% in PvT, while bbyong is 5-7 41.67%. These sample sizes aren't huge so you cannot take them as absolutes but I think Trap most likely wins that game, I haven't seen enough Planet S games to be able to judge map balance in TvP on it. In fact I don't think I've seen a single one. For Last, he plays Roro on Arkanoid and a TvT against Skyhigh on Ohana. TLPD shows Last at 6-2 TvZ 75% and Roro at 10-4 ZvT 71.43%. Both of them are very good at the matchup if we look purely at the stats but if we look at the quality of opponents Roro has had tougher ones, he's also in Code S after beating Fantasy in a ZvT last night. Skyhigh is known as a TvT expert so he " should " be favored in that match, he had very few TvT games recorded on TLPD so It's hard to make a judgement from a 3-2 record. Since he was sent out on Ohana I don't think he was expecting a Terran opponent, more likely a Protoss. I think Last can absolutely win that but It's not guaranteed. If you believe Last can go 2-0 I would keep him, if you think he will go 1-1 or 0-2 trade for bbyong. I think STX has a higher chance to win their series' but bbyong has a higher chance to win his actual games. Thanks a lot! I've traded Last for bbyong. I hope he is going to win against JD but overall the chances should be much higher as you pointed out to score with him this week. Edit: Just saw your edit but like i said i would agree that last's chances of winning both matches a very slim. So i'm going with bbyong. Main Team Bbyong 0 Fantasy 4 Flash 4 Crazy-Hydra 2 Haruhi 1 Sea 0 Last 3 KT Rolster 8 Otherwise i think if a good oportunity comes up i'm going to trade fantasy. He really played weird last night. And i'm a little bit sad that crazy-hydra doesnt get to play | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
No english Proleague cast tomorrow as far as I'm aware. Hopefully the Korean streams work! I'll let people know if I find out otherwise. Why is no one else worried about this? :/ | ||
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sitromit
7051 Posts
On December 15 2012 03:57 iKill wrote: https://twitter.com/ggDoA/status/279614212895039488 Why is no one else worried about this? :/ I don't know how this could be possible when people actually paid for subscriptions to the English broadcast. | ||
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Dujek
United Kingdom276 Posts
On December 15 2012 03:57 iKill wrote: https://twitter.com/ggDoA/status/279614212895039488 Why is no one else worried about this? :/ There's nothing I can do to fix it. I'm hoping if I ignore it the problem will go away and an english caster will appear out of nowhere. On December 15 2012 03:59 sitromit wrote: I don't know how this could be possible when people actually paid for subscriptions to the English broadcast. I deliberately held off on subscribing once doa said they would only be doing 2 casts. I'll def subscribe but only once there's more info. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
Or trading Soo for either: HerO, Taeja or Fantasty. All 4 players look good in all their matches, both teams will win. In the end it comes down to who will be Aces. herO(join) vs HerO on Ohana is a tough call, it's a 50/50 in my book. And it's not ever sure that HerO will be the Ace =/ Taeja on Arkanoid next week as Ace sounds good, then again Thorzain have already played there so maybe they put him in instead. (or any other Terran for that matter) It's such a toss up, trade or let it be, trying to gain as many points as possible or play it safe... Bleh that I can only pick one of the options, damn Zergs. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On December 15 2012 02:04 Shellshock1122 wrote: i hope he goes 3 base mass carriers And then doesn't scout the opponents base, moves out, ggs :/ | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On December 14 2012 23:41 ggrrg wrote: Obvisouly Calm, Sacsri, Ryul2 are bad choices. Crazy-Hydra isn't that good of a pick either. However, I don't think that Action is clearly the best pick. First of all, there is no way that he gets +9 this week unless he plays an ace match which is highly unlikely. Furthermore, Action gets to play sHy, who is a beast and will most likely trash him completely. Also, Action's first match is in the 5. set and there is a chance that he won't even get to play it if hitman's all-in succeeds. KT is indeed favored in both their matches, though. Action's most likely earn this week is +5, although I wouldn't be surprised if he gets only +3. Of course neither ZerO nor Shine are in a great situtation either. However, both have a realistic chance for an individual win (vs best/vs trap) and a team win (vs SKT/vs STX and EGTL). I'd even say that Shine has somewhat of a chance to win both his matches. Not to mention that Shine might get yet another chance to play an ace match. Action is a safe bet, but Shine has potential to earn more points. ZerO is probably a worse choice than the other two, but better than all the other options. How is ZerO a better choice when you can get him at a steal next week after he loses value this week? Action earns 9 points if he wins both his matches.+4+4 then +1 for 3streak. It's a long shot, but he has the most earning potential there. You are also completely over estimating shine. He is winning one of his matches at best, and him appearing in ace only loses you points because he can't beat anyone's ace. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On December 15 2012 08:13 Dosey wrote: How is ZerO a better choice when you can get him at a steal next week after he loses value this week? Action earns 9 points if he wins both his matches.+4+4 then +1 for 3streak. It's a long shot, but he has the most earning potential there. You are also completely over estimating shine. He is winning one of his matches at best, and him appearing in ace only loses you points because he can't beat anyone's ace. Shy is boasting a ~70% win rate in sc2 in over 30 games. Action played only 7 official games. Calling an action win in that match a "long shot" is already overly optimistic. I also wonder why you have so little faith in Shine's ability to win ace matches when Khan's coach clearly has a different opinion. Action's main advantage is that he currently has a much higher value than Shine and unless Shine performs greatly this will remain the case after those two playdays. Action is the safer bet, but if you want to do particularly well in FPL you should take chances and getting Shine is a chance that has decent potential to pay off. edit: By the way, it might very well be that you won't be able to trade action for zero next week. They are very close by value right now, and a 4-0 KT sweep over T8, as well as a KT loss in a match might result in zerO having a higher value than action. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On December 15 2012 10:24 Dosey wrote: You are focusing wayyyyyy too much on the potential 4-0. The chances of that are slim to none. Hell, I'd say the chances of a 4-3 T8 victory are greater than a KT 4-0. As for shine, he lost to failhoon on the very same map that he plays trap on. I'd say trap is better, but I'm being extremely generous by giving shine the win there. Then Shine plays JD on a map JD has been practicing all week in JD's best matchup. I'd be willing to bet my car that JD wins that. So, best case scenario, shine earns you +4.1 point less than action if he loses against shy. worst case, he earns you +1. So, please tell me how that is the better bet than action who should earn you +5 regardless and could possibly earn you +9 if he pulls a rabbit out of his hat against shy? + Show Spoiler + So much for zerO getting 0 points this week... Action and KT did as expected, but the 4-0 for KT was by no means out of reach. We won't be able to tell who was the best pick until Tuesday, but I still feel like it's not fair to claim that Action was the undisputedly best choice. | ||
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Bluejava
Sweden135 Posts
I feel so freking lucky that I will be in Korea during the time Liquid/eg vs Woongjin Stars! Does anyone know if the Sc2 proleague is played at the same place as the BW proleague ( I guess so) If so! Is there a good site where I can find some well explained directions so I can actually find to the event?  | ||
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ZerglingTwins
United States850 Posts
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
On December 15 2012 19:53 ZerglingTwins wrote: When can we see stephano in the lineup? never? He will start playing in Round 2 which starts in January. He is not in Korea at the moment as he still has tournament commitments in Europe (Numericable Cup in France and HomeStory Cup VI in Germany). On December 15 2012 19:14 Jajgert wrote: Oh, thanks for linking all the next matches! I feel so freking lucky that I will be in Korea during the time Liquid/eg vs Woongjin Stars! Does anyone know if the Sc2 proleague is played at the same place as the BW proleague ( I guess so) If so! Is there a good site where I can find some well explained directions so I can actually find to the event? Check this big recent thread from DoA, it has all the information in it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386477 | ||
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