EPTi dont see how it helps pvz ... vs bl infestor you cant get close enough to the infestor with the ht because if broodlings so nothing changes
[Dec 4] Wings of Liberty Balance patch - Page 31
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
i dont see how it helps pvz ... vs bl infestor you cant get close enough to the infestor with the ht because if broodlings so nothing changes | ||
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:53 Heavenfallz wrote: Interesting. Now terran can start incorporating raven into late game mech comp. Why do people have to keep making the same claims without for a second looking at what has been posted many times? How do you think this change will make sure significantly more ravens would be used in lategame? The only change this represents is 150/150 less expenses. Now I definately wont complain about that as terran, but it wont mean seeker missiles are available sooner, and late game it really wont do anything. Early game there is pretty much no reason to use seeker missiles, so also all the 1-1-1 doomscenarios with ravens dont make any sense (not to mention it still takes ages for ravens to have enough energy). | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:57 samurai80 wrote: Pretty much my thoughts. I don't think removing the seeker missile research was necessary at all. Terrans usually had too much gas in late game Yeah, you float so much gas with mech... | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On December 05 2012 16:37 Klyberess wrote: I'm not saying the nerf won't have any significance, but you can't equate a 67% buff to a 12% nerf. This is the wrong way to look at it. That is like saying +1 carapace for lings is useless vs banelings because it only reduces damage by 2.86%. The point is that those last 2.86% makes a major difference, and percentage of damage is the wrong statistic to use (that 2.86% means it takes 2 banelings instead of 1 to kill your lings). A similar idea applies to this nerf. The important thing is that snipe, emp and feedback now outrange fungal (by 1-2), and it will be easier for colossus to target down infestors. That last 1 range makes a huge difference in how exposed your infestors are. | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:03 samurai80 wrote: Lol yes I do. I don't play terran but I see so many terrans not taking many of their gases in the late game of most of their m-u. Of course it depends on their unit composition but gas is rarely their limiting factor I mean. LOL. What makes you think Terrans did not use ravens? I'll give you a hint *cough*range,and high mana*cough*. The cost of spell wasn't a fucking problem FFS | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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ViktorSC
United States75 Posts
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ViktorSC
United States75 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:00 samurai80 wrote: I hope you understand it is "no seeker missile research needed" and not "no seeker missile". Just in case as the text is slightly ambiguous. hahahahahahahahaha. score! terran reign supreme. | ||
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ViktorSC
United States75 Posts
hahahahahaha. well put. OOPS DID I POST THREE TIMES. was kinda busy playing a game. yay seeker missile. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7967 Posts
+1 immortal range is a night and day difference, +1 roaches obiously, hell even +2 queen range was looked at as not doing anything in the beginning lets wait and see, the change might just be what the game needed | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:07 Scrubwave wrote: Please, tell me where do you think this infestor nerf will play any significant role, I want a good laugh. Everywhere, because you are just eating more shots than before in every engagement. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:13 Tsubbi wrote: +1 immortal range is a night and day difference, +1 roaches obiously, hell even +2 queen range was looked at as not doing anything in the beginning Lol, when was it not looked as doing anything in the beginning? I believe pretty much everyone(except the zergs that put their heads in the sand, hoping blizz wouldn't notice how insanely big buff it was) saw how crazy of a buff it was. Edit: When asked about the buff, even idra was not able to say it was a bad buff, paraphrasing he said "it's ok", which should indicate how obvious of a huge buff it was. | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
Not with mech obviously. I speak as a protoss. I know gas is a limiting factor in TvT, but there are many strats in TvP where it is not, thus where they could afford ravens. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:08 jidolboy wrote: LOL. What makes you think Terrans did not use ravens? I'll give you a hint *cough*range,and high mana*cough*. The cost of spell wasn't a fucking problem FFS I guess you're right, the research cost was not important compared to the importance of range and mana cost. Still terrans will use it more spontaneously. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:16 Big J wrote: Everywhere, because you are just eating more shots than before in every engagement. I'd hardly go that route. It will have impact vs colossi and vikings, ghosts will still be hard pressed to do anything with broodlords around shelling broodlings+tank fire on them. It's really hard to say the effect though, it will probably be pretty massive against vikings, the problem I still have is, the game is still going to be "lets macro to 3 base, each and every game" and FG is still going to be insanely boring to watch | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:16 samurai80 wrote: Not with mech obviously. I speak as a protoss. I know gas is a limiting factor in TvT, but there are many strats in TvP where it is not, thus where they could afford ravens. I was talking about TvZ mech. In TvP you don't have spare gas if you build mass Ghosts and Nukes in lategame, and why would anyone bother to make Ravens while Feedback outranges and instantly kills any Raven with 140+ energy is beyond me. | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:10 ViktorSC wrote: hahahahahahahahaha. score! terran reign supreme. ?? | ||
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samurai80
Japan4225 Posts
On December 05 2012 17:21 TheDwf wrote: I was talking about TvZ mech. In TvP you don't have spare gas if you build mass Ghosts and Nukes in lategame, and why would anyone bother to make Ravens when Feedback outranges and instantly kills any Raven with 140+ energy is beyond me. Ok. well as a terran you obviously have more insight about it than I have. I just have some fear about this terran buff, that's it. It seemed zergs needed to be nerfed, but imo terrans didn't need to be buffed. People always says "it won't do anything" and finally it does have some influence, sometimes leading to imbalance (just like when the queen's range was buffed). I just hope it won't but well, if all you smart guys say it won't, then I must be wrong. | ||
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though ravens in late game will be overpowered, just watch.
