• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:28
CEST 23:28
KST 06:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1726 users

[Dec 4] Wings of Liberty Balance patch - Page 25

Forum Index > SC2 General
913 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 46 Next All
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 05 2012 01:51 GMT
#481
Well, I predict more spellcasting terran units shall be made in TvZ. Which usually means more fun for everyone.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Crow!
Profile Joined September 2011
United States150 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-05 01:55:45
December 05 2012 01:54 GMT
#482
Allowing for counterplay is definitely the better route for fixing infestors rather than reducing their raw power. I think introducing a projectile for fungal would have been just as good as reducing the range, but either way, this should let the things that are supposed to be dealing with the infestors actually do so, rather than infestors being the best answer to the things which supposedly answer them.

While I don't mind the Raven change, I wonder if making autoturrets actually worth placing would have been a more interesting fix.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
December 05 2012 01:58 GMT
#483
--- Nuked ---
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
December 05 2012 02:06 GMT
#484
Thank god zerg is nerfed.

Now this change would distinguish the top-tier zergs and the " patch zergs ".

Play your best
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
December 05 2012 02:07 GMT
#485
On December 05 2012 11:06 FakeDeath wrote:
Thank god zerg is nerfed.

Now this change would distinguish the top-tier zergs and the " patch zergs ".



Eh, this isn't is a fraction of what is required to start distinguishing "patch Zergs".
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
December 05 2012 02:10 GMT
#486
On December 05 2012 11:07 Netsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 11:06 FakeDeath wrote:
Thank god zerg is nerfed.

Now this change would distinguish the top-tier zergs and the " patch zergs ".



Eh, this isn't is a fraction of what is required to start distinguishing "patch Zergs".


Dat QQ
moo...for DRG
trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
December 05 2012 02:11 GMT
#487
when they increased the immortal range many people said "its not gonna effect the game at all" but it did.

now people say fungal range change is not gonna be a big change but I say we will see.
~
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
December 05 2012 02:13 GMT
#488
the fungal range nerf is the biggest deal.
Feedback and snipe out ranging fungals make a lot of sense.
Fungal was way too strong to be on par with single target counter measures.

I'm really curious how this will play out.
moo...for DRG
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
December 05 2012 02:16 GMT
#489
I like these changes a lot, but we shall see.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
NoMicroWin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States688 Posts
December 05 2012 02:25 GMT
#490
3 base colo gunna be so strong again, even stronger than it was when zergs weren't used to it.
If she pulls out her stalkers, you pull out your mauraders and concussive all over her tits
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
December 05 2012 02:27 GMT
#491
All in all these are pretty good changes.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
December 05 2012 02:31 GMT
#492
So ravens are exactly the same. Thanks.
Sup
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
December 05 2012 02:33 GMT
#493
This is a step in the right directions. Sure, some might feel like the Infestor wasn't hit hard enough.

However, I'm an optimist and I'll say that I'll definitely take my egg health reduction and Fungal range reduction. I'm willing to try this change out and see if Zerg still feels too strong.
IMMvp (정종현) | Fan Club: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211431
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
December 05 2012 02:34 GMT
#494
On December 05 2012 04:30 hootsushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 04:21 Hiea wrote:
On December 05 2012 04:16 rtem wrote:
I seem to recall QXC mentioning that one of the major issues with tvz ravens is the fact that it requires so long to transition into them with all the upgrades. I hope we'll be seeing much more ravens in the matchup now.

Overall these feel kinda good changes although I still feel fungal is kind of a lame spell. I guess we'll just have to wait and see where it goes from here.

The problem with ravens is more that they have so little energy and it takes ages to build up, and 1 or 2 ravens isn't gonna make the difference lategame, you need atleast 5.


Thats exactly the problem on ravens. It's not like the HSM upgrade was inaccessible, the energy buildup time plus the energy cost of HSM made ravens pretty inefficient. You have to plan away ahead, when you are investing in ravens. You need to survive for 3-4 minutes before ravens become effective.
I feel it would have been better to simply increase the starting energy of ravens or reduce the cost of HSM rather removing HSM upgrade.


Yep, the raven change like everyone has said previously...it achieves nothing. The only impactful change this patch is -1 fungal range, and it's highly doubtful that is enough.
Sup
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
December 05 2012 02:36 GMT
#495
Should be a pretty decent patch, I just hope they don't do to fungal what they do to neural parasite. Just a decoration spell now because of the trash range. We'll see.
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
President Dead
Profile Joined November 2012
97 Posts
December 05 2012 02:36 GMT
#496
Just goes to show you if you cry hard enough Blizz will cave in for anything.
Hey, I'm a police officer. Just do what I tell ya.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
December 05 2012 02:38 GMT
#497
A step in the right direction. The lings of liberty post really turned me on to why when I'm tired and watching GSL vods now I don't watch them, just skip. The hype and micro and multitasking has died from 2011.

Hopefully, this is a step in the right direction, and if it doesn't accomplish it's goal blizz, you better keep going,
LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK LEENOCK
CloudMage
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada221 Posts
December 05 2012 02:40 GMT
#498
Baha take that Winfestors!
HuK <3 WhiteRa <3 Grubby <3 TLO <3 Day[9] <3
fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
December 05 2012 02:40 GMT
#499
decent upgrade but i'm still not convinced this is enough of a nerf. Fungal just does too much damage too easily, usually it's not an issue of the investors being too far away, but i'll give it a chance to play out before i make a conclusion.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
December 05 2012 02:43 GMT
#500
blizzard just refuses to try and acutally fix infestors, how is that they are willing to give zerg massive buffs like the queen but when it comes time to nerf infested terrans and fungal they settle on this crap
Moar banelings less qq
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 46 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO8 - Day 1
Bonyth vs Doodle
Dewalt vs TerrOr
ZZZero.O523
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 605
JuggernautJason112
NeuroSwarm 87
Railgan 55
Vindicta 17
ViBE1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 13849
ZZZero.O 523
ggaemo 18
League of Legends
JimRising 342
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu417
Other Games
Grubby13351
gofns11176
summit1g10724
tarik_tv6989
FrodaN1444
monkeys_forever206
ToD181
ArmadaUGS138
Trikslyr21
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1228
BasetradeTV75
StarCraft 2
angryscii 30
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 112
• Hupsaiya 51
• Adnapsc2 13
• musti20045 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21028
• lizZardDota254
Other Games
• imaqtpie1065
Upcoming Events
Patches Events
1h 17m
GSL
10h 32m
Cure vs herO
SHIN vs Maru
IPSL
18h 32m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
21h 32m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
GSL
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.