[Dec 4] Wings of Liberty Balance patch - Page 27

On December 05 2012 12:29 vik7 wrote:

omg lol i read this while there was a break in rounds in s&d black ops 2 ahaha

On December 05 2012 12:47 iyasq8 wrote:
Why cant blizzard ever listen to the pros? all pros told blizzard to let infestors have more supply cause the late game is broken not the early game. With these changes zerg will be broken early game.

On December 05 2012 03:34 sage_francis wrote:
Good first step, but i would prefer irradiate instead of missile

On December 05 2012 13:12 ScandiNAVIan wrote:
Interceptors can still be fungalled... why are Blizzard so stupid

On December 05 2012 12:12 ultratorr wrote:
These changes won't matter for 95% of the players. Playing macro TvZ or PvZ on ladder will still be a joke. Nobody can spare the APM to never get fungaled even with 1 range decrease.

On December 05 2012 12:47 iyasq8 wrote:
Why cant blizzard ever listen to the pros? all pros told blizzard to let infestors have more supply cause the late game is broken not the early game. With these changes zerg will be broken early game.

On December 05 2012 13:42 vesicular wrote:
Pretty obvious this was put into place today because Proleague is starting this weekend.

On December 05 2012 11:53 avilo wrote:
Ok, for people that dunno what they're talking about here:

Raven seeker missile removed:
What does this do?

It does nothing for Terran lategame. It saves Terran a 1 time cost of 150/150 that was affordable in lategame in the first place. The upgrades were never the problem with ravens. The problem is the reaction time and preparation needed when building ravens. You often times have to prepare them 2-3 minutes in advance in a serious game, because seeker missile takes so long to get energy for. The seeker being removed affects none of the above core issue with the raven being able to pay itself off more frequently to make it a more useful unit.

The only changes that occur is when Terran goes 1/1/1 now in TvP, but mostly TvT, with the 1 raven you make you'll possibly have 1 seeker missile. So basically this is a terrible change from blizzard because it does not address the issue with the raven, and it adversely affects 2/3 match-ups that the change is not even targeted at.

Infested Terran Egg HP reduced from 100 to 70.
What does this do?

Lategame TvZ, Lategame PvZ now psi storm and collosus more comfortably counter infested Terran spam. Tanks/collosus with upgrades will end up 2 shotting eggs thrown out which is a huge difference. Does this change much? Well, it's arguable because it depends on the volume of infested Terran eggs and other units

You have to remember, the egg HP is reduced, not the infested Terran HP. If the eggs hatch, infested terrans pop out with full HP, meaning the change is targetted purely at more eggs going down when those 5000 eggs are thrown out.

Better than nothing.

Fungal growth range reduced from 9 to 8.
What does this do?

The fungal growth range reduction is arguably the biggest change because in any RTS game when you mess with the range of a core unit or a unit that's used often it can easily swing balance 1 way or the other (you've seen the results of this with the +2 queen range).

It's a good change, tanks/collosus/ghost/templar may often times kill more infestors coming into range of your units to fungal you. But keep in mind once again...

Fungal hasn't been changed. It still roots your units, it still does the same damage, still has the same duration. So whenever your units are snared it's the exact same scenario as pre-patch. So it's arguable whether this change will do anything. Better than nothing once again.

I honestly think a lot of Terran players will be confused or simply read "Terran buff" when it comes to ravens and not realize it's not actually a buff to the unit in any meaningful way for lategame, or for the rest of the game

The infestor nerfs...thank god...and they don't want to make the same mistake they did with ghosts/reapers where they nerf the unit and then it's utterly trash.

Overall, the end goal of the changes obviously is so the answer to everything is not "build an infestor." Dunno if these changes do that, but they're a start.