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LavaLava
United States235 Posts
Master. If you have a lot of Ravens versus Zerg you'll want just a couple of Vikings and Banshees along so they don't actually have to waste energy to kill little things like lings overlords creep tumors and mostly dead units. Vikings also stop Mutas from just buzzing around forever being annoying. They have to engage or back off. | ||
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RobDeBob
United States23 Posts
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Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
Thats coming from a Zerg player. | ||
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L0L
United States176 Posts
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LavaLava
United States235 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:48 RobDeBob wrote: So wait, "seeker missile upgrade removed" means that the seeker missile no longer has to be upgraded, not that it has been entirely removed from the game, right? Important distinction that I don't see on the front page. Yeah, every time they have mentioned this change they've failed to be specific. They're giving you the missile for free. | ||
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Monochromatic
United States1000 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:18 ELA wrote: Creep clearing is a valid point, but that has been true all along - However, Seeker Missile change has little to no impact on this. For the midgame, it's still a starport without a reactor that you have to commit to not produce medivacs, which potentially means ~4 less medivacs (1,4 production cycles á 2 medivacs to be exact) for the midgame, thats huge. If a zerg scout you going early raven, that they know are not going to be a direct threat to them for at least a minute and a half, they should either just kill you or go heavy macro. It might be more significant in lategame though, but in regards to how TvZ early/midgame works, there should be no change Just do the standard hellion into bashee opener and trade out one banshee and a little extra gas for an early raven. Then kill unlimited creep tumors while transitioning into standard play. Map hacks removed. As protoss, I hate creep and always get my obs as early as possible to kill it. If my obs cost 125 more and could sometimes shoot an awesome AOE, could block queen shots and drop sweet turrets, I would work that in. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Bam Lee
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:47 LavaLava wrote: Master. If you have a lot of Ravens versus Zerg you'll want Vikings and Banshees along so they don't actually have to waste energy to kill little things like lings overlords creep tumors and mostly dead units. Vikings also stop Mutas from just buzzing around forever being annoying. They have to engage or back off. Yes I had those units along. Guess which units all died horribly due to friendly fire of the seeker missiles? Nice to tell that I should have dropped PDDs, but guess what killed my units, friendly fire from seeker missiles (not to mention there is no energy for PDDs after launching seekers). Sure the first ones hit fine, but if you launch a missile a fraction too late it hurts your army more than his. Then add that zerg t2 air is twice as strong as terran t2 air, and you really got a problem since if you dont do massive damage its over. (Vikings roughly trade evenly with mutas, but mutas are way better massable, and as terran you need a reasonable banshee count too, which dont exactly help against mutas). Saying I should spread my vikings while launching seeker missiles, pdds and turets is easier then to actually do it, especially since you dont want your ravens as meatshield. Maybe you should upload a replay to show how it is done. And in the end you will kill the zerg air, that isnt the problem. The problem was that most times I tried it and the zerg didnt screw up something, at best the result was mutual destruction. And mutual destruction just isnt good enough when the zerg can remake his army so much faster. Even if I could remake at the same speed, I am then with a bunch of ravens lacking energy. Just do the standard hellion into bashee opener and trade out one banshee and a little extra gas for an early raven. Then kill unlimited creep tumors while transitioning into standard play. Map hacks removed. While I definately see that as an option, this patch didnt actually change anything about that. That single raven wont be lobbing out seeker missiles, it is much more likely it is used for PDDs. | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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scoww
595 Posts
hsm upgrade removed is not going to change anything, since you still need a techlab on the starport and wait 898721937h until the raven has enough energy - after it's been produced ... | ||
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JiSu
Korea (South)140 Posts
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Sworm_MS
17 Posts
TvZ is the most broken match-up as of now, the mach-up which is the reason all that hatred is over here for months, but they are making changes virtually for PvZ... DK, how does your mind exactly work, i wonder?! | ||
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heroboi
Sweden2 Posts
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:58 Sworm_MS wrote: Additionally, we anticipate that the reduction in health for Infested Terran eggs will be most noticeable in the PvZ matchup when Psi Storm is used TvZ is the most broken match-up as of now, the mach-up which is the reason all that hatred is over here for months, but they are making changes virtually for PvZ... DK, how does your mind exactly work, i wonder?! The range nerf is more for TvZ than PvZ, and we get HSM for free. So 2/3 changes isn't too shabby. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:58 Sworm_MS wrote: Additionally, we anticipate that the reduction in health for Infested Terran eggs will be most noticeable in the PvZ matchup when Psi Storm is used TvZ is the most broken match-up as of now, the mach-up which is the reason all that hatred is over here for months, but they are making changes virtually for PvZ... DK, how does your mind exactly work, i wonder?! As a protoss, I will say that PvZ and TvZ are both messed equally, but at different points in the game. 8 range helps out terrans a lot in the end game, since a lot of end game units now outrange fungle and infestors need to get very close to nail a full AOE. | ||
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Zennith
United States795 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:58 Sworm_MS wrote: Additionally, we anticipate that the reduction in health for Infested Terran eggs will be most noticeable in the PvZ matchup when Psi Storm is used TvZ is the most broken match-up as of now, the mach-up which is the reason all that hatred is over here for months, but they are making changes virtually for PvZ... DK, how does your mind exactly work, i wonder?! What are you talking about? | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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fireforce7
United States334 Posts
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