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Beatmania
Profile Joined August 2011
England33 Posts
December 04 2012 10:49 GMT
#881
An enjoyable read. Comments were pretty funny at first. Then the further I read the more depressing it got.

For those who didn't quite get it. The conspiracy theory is just a humorous way to be able to present the data that illustrates it.

The evidence here signifies there is a massive problem. Especially in TvZ. Stephano himself states "patchzergs" do exist. Many pro players are upset about the balance of the game. All the information in this article does logically support the theories claim. Absurd as it is. But that is the beauty of it. For the game to be in the state to even comprehend the notion is laughable. And anybody trying to argue against the real point seems even more stupid than they already are :D.
Ymir
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands5 Posts
December 04 2012 10:49 GMT
#882
While the whole post has some great points that last part about the Zerg wars and how blizzard made a game for "white zergs" to win over koreans is ridiculous and way overboard.
I Live for the Swarm
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
December 04 2012 10:51 GMT
#883
Beautiful article! Blizzard better see this !
-fellow masters terran
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
December 04 2012 10:51 GMT
#884
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???



User was temp banned for this post.
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Beatmania
Profile Joined August 2011
England33 Posts
December 04 2012 10:55 GMT
#885
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???


Bronze to Gold?
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
December 04 2012 10:56 GMT
#886
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???



Having played all 3 races at masters level, I've personally found that Terran is by far the hardest. But to each their own I guess.
In Somnis Veritas
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 04 2012 11:03 GMT
#887
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???



What is your league and rank?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
December 04 2012 11:07 GMT
#888
You know you're fucked when not even MVP can win shit as terran anymore.
esports
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 04 2012 11:07 GMT
#889
Great article. I read it all.
The game wasn't better in 2011 though. I still prefer 2012 gameplay over 2011 balance and maps.


But there is much to be done for HotS.
I had a good night of sleep.
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
December 04 2012 11:09 GMT
#890
didnt read all of it but it sounds really disrespectful to me

yes zerg is slightly OP, no they are not worse than the terrans/protoss.
killy666
Profile Joined July 2012
France204 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 11:12:42
December 04 2012 11:10 GMT
#891
While your post is well put, and with interesting numbers, it is also biased in a lot of ways. The conspiracy theories about game balance and zerg / foreigner bias are... Off-putting for lack of a better word. I do agree that there is an issue with the current state of zerg (and I'm a zerg fanboy). But i think you are looking too much into it.

Edit for clarification: game is obviously not balanced. But to go to the extent that there is an almost political agenda behind it is just ridiculous. Also I disagree that the Terran dominion we used to have was necessarily much better. Both are and were detrimental to the scene, the competition, and the game as a whole. Any kind of unbalance hurts the game.
My life is sicker than your band
DwarfTherapist
Profile Joined November 2012
United States48 Posts
December 04 2012 11:12 GMT
#892
Over and over we were treated to terrans winnign in 4-5 minutes by making a bunker or a couple of hellions.

Take off nostalgia glasses. 4-5 minute wins were so common it was disgusting.
mrvidek
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania15 Posts
December 04 2012 11:18 GMT
#893
On December 04 2012 19:38 JediMasterBETTY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 19:09 theman1213 wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:26 theman1213 wrote:
bla bla zerg op coz hyun won 14 ipl fight clubs-


This.
I totaly agree with you man.



yea right, zerg op coz huyn won 14 ipl fight clubs in a row.. you can look at it another way, u know: in the last 14 ipl fight clubs, no zerg except HuyN won!! wow! he just is doing very well in IPL fight club. Another thing, in 14 finals he only met 1 zerg, the other 13 finalists were mostly P and some T. HyuN and Life are the only 2 zergs that made it to IPL fight club finals in the last 14 weeks!!

another thing, let's look at last month major tournaments (I mention the first and 2nd prize):
WCS pvp creator vs parting for USD 100k/40k
GSL zvz Sniper vs HyuN USD 42k/17k
IPL5 zvz leenock vs violet USD 40k/20k
WCG's pvp final parting vs adelscott for USD 25k/10k
IEM Singapore's tvp sting vs grubby final for USD 6.5k/3.3k
Dreamhack winter's pvt hero vs taeja final for USD 37k/15k

Protoss total earnings: USD 215.3k
wcs 100+40
wcg 25+10
IEM 3.3
dh: 37

Zerg total earnings: USD : 119k
gsl 42+17
ipl5 40+20

Terran total earnings: USD : 21.5k
IEM 6.5
dh: 15

Not to mention IPTL season 1 where in the finals only parting, mvp and squirtle won games, with a price of USD 9k so that kindof goes to either P or T.

So what's op again? Sure fungal is good, but so is bunker, medivac, marauder, so is forcefield and immortal, vortex or any other thing u can think correctly executed.
Just try to play the game, infestor broodlord is not by far imba. Harass works great against it. Try not to be biassed.
These are my thoughts (EU master zerg).


You must be kidding. Or at least i hope u posted in the wrong thread by mistake. Just because 2 protoss got into WCS final and won A LOT of money means P>Z overall. Oh cool. This means protoss is 10x better than terran. guess not. Try again.
Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
December 04 2012 11:21 GMT
#894
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???



This post gave me cancer

User was temp banned for this post.
@taefoxy
Ogww
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland224 Posts
December 04 2012 11:25 GMT
#895
On December 04 2012 20:12 DwarfTherapist wrote:
Over and over we were treated to terrans winnign in 4-5 minutes by making a bunker or a couple of hellions.

Take off nostalgia glasses. 4-5 minute wins were so common it was disgusting.

I'd watch 100 2 rax TvZ's over one winfestorturtle anytime. Atleast first one is exciting and requires micro from both sides.
dicex
Profile Joined November 2010
127 Posts
December 04 2012 11:30 GMT
#896
The opening post is a prime example that many images and decent structure still make a bad article if the writer cannot view a topic from an objective point of view. The sarcasm and bitterness are a reason for me not to take the writer seriously. Also, what is the point of writing such an article, if you can clearly see that the writer is beyond the point of objective discussions and just wants to whine about balance???
SKDN
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden243 Posts
December 04 2012 11:31 GMT
#897
On December 04 2012 20:21 foxj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???



This post gave me cancer

Im ashamed of my country now.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
December 04 2012 11:31 GMT
#898
On December 04 2012 20:10 killy666 wrote:
While your post is well put, and with interesting numbers, it is also biased in a lot of ways. The conspiracy theories about game balance and zerg / foreigner bias are... Off-putting for lack of a better word. I do agree that there is an issue with the current state of zerg (and I'm a zerg fanboy). But i think you are looking too much into it.

Edit for clarification: game is obviously not balanced. But to go to the extent that there is an almost political agenda behind it is just ridiculous. Also I disagree that the Terran dominion we used to have was necessarily much better. Both are and were detrimental to the scene, the competition, and the game as a whole. Any kind of unbalance hurts the game.


lol, you're probably a social media image consultant.

lack of deep game knowledge in your post? check
grudging mea culpa for blizzard? check
subtle ad hominem against the OP? check
Что?
Mia
Profile Joined November 2012
75 Posts
December 04 2012 11:33 GMT
#899
On December 04 2012 20:30 dicex wrote:
The opening post is a prime example that many images and decent structure still make a bad article if the writer cannot view a topic from an objective point of view. The sarcasm and bitterness are a reason for me not to take the writer seriously. Also, what is the point of writing such an article, if you can clearly see that the writer is beyond the point of objective discussions and just wants to whine about balance???

Hello,
Dear Sir, may i ask whats your main race, are you by some accident white zerg player?
"Terran, who is missing in action" - me
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
December 04 2012 11:34 GMT
#900
On December 04 2012 19:55 Beatmania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 19:51 oZe wrote:
LOL he said ez mode terran was hard to play ^^^^^^^^ Just never tried toss or zerg I guess... Is it the 4aaaad5s6d that is soooooooooo hard =) Is having to press T one time to win any battle really that insanely hard?

Any zerg player can switch to terran and enjoy similar or better win rate within one week. I seriously doubt a terran player could switch and do as well as fast. I think a protoss player also can make the one week transition. Terran has the easiest macro, the most effective micro, walling nirvana, most versatile units & the best unit combinations. Zerg T3 cannot even shoot air. Toss have to jump around on map just to macro.

Only problem with terran is storm but everyone is complaining about kid sister fungal ^^ Do these "terran so hard"-trolls even play the game???


Bronze to Gold?



Even at those levels protoss is less demanding mechanically speaking.
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