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straycat
230 Posts
On December 04 2012 18:37 Pursuit_ wrote: The Infestor is just responsible for making the game boring and lowering the skillcap for Zerg, the other side of this is the queen buff Okay. But if I make two queens after pool, and then two extra from nat, so max 4 queens (maybe more after 12 minutes though), is that okay? | ||
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DwarfTherapist
United States48 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:25 Ogww wrote: I'd watch 100 2 rax TvZ's over one winfestorturtle anytime. Atleast first one is exciting and requires micro from both sides. Micro? with that units? Zergs were ejected from tournament bo3 in 10 minutes flat before lings would be out. Game was decided as soon as T decided to put down a bunker, and Z couldnt stop it with drones (lel) High dps ranged unit vs low dps melee worker. It's amazing to see how this game has transformed. Zerg is now "easy forgiving" man.. I switched races (and games) at just the wrong moment i guess. My last memories of the game (which lasted from beta to mid/late 2011) Were protoss running around at any level below pro level with super easy A move armies. Terrans being hard to play but basically safe and forgivign as fuck (go all in, lose 80% scv's, win game thanks to mules and marines!) and zergs were just this shit race who would more often than not die to either 2-3 hellions or some 1 base cheese. I stopped watching and playing exactly because every match was over in minutes, every match was T or P abusing shit gimmicky maps with shit gimmicky builds. The whole concept of protoss was "easy to execute, hard as fuck to defend against" Maybe that's zerg now. Shame either way but it makes me sad to see protoss players complaining about anyone else using hard to beat but easy to use deathballs. edit: good to see the white race is getting blamed for more shit, down with whitey le reddit le xD face le culturally enriched. | ||
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F-Decoy
France245 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 15:18 baba1 wrote: Interesting but I stopped reading at the part where you say that Blizzard rigged the game to make white dudes win more. Why would blizzard buff infestors so white dudes can win ? Like the only race foreigners play is Zerg... Foreigners zergs crush foreigners P and T too just so you know. Your arguments there do not make sense to me. You have intelligent points and a fertile imagination. I know you are upset with zergs but dont start making shit up. Low post count? check Cursory read of the OP? check Intentionally bad grammar? check Repeatedly defending SC2 no matter what? check How much is Blizzard paying you to post like this? 40 a month per forum account? | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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TheKhyira
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
3 Korean Protoss 2 Zerg 4 of 5 Foreigners playing Zerg. No Terran at all (Lucifron just replacing Naniwa, cause he was there with his Brother) 80% of All Games turned to Lategame are favoring Protoss and Zerg in vT matchup Looking at the Numbers and the current Tournaments there is PvZ , some PVP and a lot of ZvZ. Maybe this might be interesting for Protoss or Zerg players. But if the game is longer than 12 minutes it's "inf roach vs inf roach " or "War of the Worlds" Sometimes in ZvZ one Zerg gets up by 40 Food, but is not considered "ahead". If it's <12 min it was a rather cheesy game (or what CombatEX does). I stopped watching weekly/monthly cups all together because there are less and less Terrans competing. The Numbers don't lie. Foreign Zerg win, Korean Terran struggle. Foreign Terran ?... Streamed Matches are ZvP and the two least fun mirror matchups I really do not think Zerg isor should be a "casual" Race everybody can win with. This whole conspiracy is bullshit. The game becomes less attractive to watch the more onesided it gets. Blizzard does not think of these kind of things. What i do not like, and what Blizzard does is "fixing everything in HotS".I mean... Fuck You Blizzard thats 3 Months, and Zergocalypse has been ongoing since at least 4. No to mention everything will change in HotS. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 04:09 Miotonir wrote: U sir are Biased. You need to try harder man, posts like this won't sway enough of the power user audience here to like Blizzard. Cmon, put in some effort  | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 16:41 corpuscle wrote: I seriously wish R1CH had written some sort of devilish script that checked everyone who posted in this thread against people who had read any Ver's other posts. It's so amusingly sad how many people shitpost without realizing who they're shitposting. Dude wrote a guide to the game that is still relevant despite the fact that he wasn't even writing about SC2. I won't pretend to have been here during BW times, but people should at least try to respect their forefathers. I wish R1CH would write a script that exposes these punch-clock forum trolls for who they really are. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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JediMasterBETTY
Romania15 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:18 mrvidek wrote: You must be kidding. Or at least i hope u posted in the wrong thread by mistake. Just because 2 protoss got into WCS final and won A LOT of money means P>Z overall. Oh cool. This means protoss is 10x better than terran. guess not. Try again. No, it doesnt mean P>Z overall. But neither does HyuN's IPL fight club or 2 zvz finals mean Z>P overall. From my personal experience, i have the best win rate in zvz. Of course this is not relevant, but check the pro win rates. You will find them quite balanced: GSL November Code S: PvZ 50.0% TvZ 53.1% GSL November Code A: PvZ 56.00% TvZ 51.85% How is Z op when it has a subunitary WLR?? Moreover, the graphs in Ver's post show that foreigners don't win much vs koreans as terran. That's because current foreigner terrans aren't in that good of a shape. I mean... lucifron? thorzain? not really ... When terran had a 65% win ratio in tvz (a year ago) it was normal. Now that zerg wins ALMOST 50% of the games vs terran Z is op. Please explain the logic, coz just saying "zerg op" "infestor op" "you gotta be kidding me" "no skill a move race" really is not a logical explanation. | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:49 Koshi wrote: I am starting to wonder if OP wanted to make a statement sauced up with some tinfoilhattery. Or just only tinfoilhattery. Ya, I must admit I was amused by his implications of conspiracy, mostly because of how silly they were. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:52 JediMasterBETTY wrote: No, it doesnt mean P>Z overall. But neither does HyuN's IPL fight club or 2 zvz finals mean Z>P overall. From my personal experience, i have the best win rate in zvz. Of course this is not relevant, but check the pro win rates. You will find them quite balanced: GSL November Code S: PvZ 50.0% TvZ 53.1% GSL November Code A: PvZ 56.00% TvZ 51.85% How is Z op when it has a subunitary WLR?? Moreover, the graphs in Ver's post show that foreigners don't win much vs koreans as terran. That's because current foreigner terrans aren't in that good of a shape. I mean... lucifron? thorzain? not really ... When terran had a 65% win ratio in tvz (a year ago) it was normal. Now that zerg wins ALMOST 50% of the games vs terran Z is op. Please explain the logic, coz just saying "zerg op" "infestor op" "you gotta be kidding me" "no skill a move race" really is not a logical explanation. Oh hai there new social media smurfbot. Earning your 40 bucks for setting up this account, I see. Can you please explain how you know how to find specific league stats in TLPD while only having two posts on teamliquid? User was warned for this post | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:43 Too_MuchZerg wrote: It feels SC2 has gone to mix of BW and WC3. Basic and core units from BW and spells from WC3. It works for WC3 but not for SC2. It doesn't work in WC3. WC3 is even more imba than SC2 is right now. | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
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Sandermatt
Switzerland1365 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:45 plgElwood wrote: World vs Korea at Vegas 3 Korean Protoss 2 Zerg 4 of 5 Foreigners playing Zerg. No Terran at all (Lucifron just replacing Naniwa, cause he was there with his Brother) 80% of All Games turned to Lategame are favoring Protoss and Zerg in vT matchup Looking at the Numbers and the current Tournaments there is PvZ , some PVP and a lot of ZvZ. Maybe this might be interesting for Protoss or Zerg players. But if the game is longer than 12 minutes it's "inf roach vs inf roach " or "War of the Worlds" Sometimes in ZvZ one Zerg gets up by 40 Food, but is not considered "ahead". If it's <12 min it was a rather cheesy game (or what CombatEX does). I stopped watching weekly/monthly cups all together because there are less and less Terrans competing. The Numbers don't lie. Foreign Zerg win, Korean Terran struggle. Foreign Terran ?... Streamed Matches are ZvP and the two least fun mirror matchups I really do not think Zerg isor should be a "casual" Race everybody can win with. This whole conspiracy is bullshit. The game becomes less attractive to watch the more onesided it gets. Blizzard does not think of these kind of things. What i do not like, and what Blizzard does is "fixing everything in HotS".I mean... Fuck You Blizzard thats 3 Months, and Zergocalypse has been ongoing since at least 4. No to mention everything will change in HotS. Vortix replaced Naniwa, not Lucifron. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
Nestea/DRG/Leenock/Stephano are pretty much the only zergs that should never be classified as patchzergs because they had success throughout WoL. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:35 straycat wrote: Okay. But if I make two queens after pool, and then two extra from nat, so max 4 queens (maybe more after 12 minutes though), is that okay? I wouldn't worry about it, short of the very top level imbalance changes drastically. For example (at least in my opinion) in high dia / low masters Protoss has a huge advantage over Terran since the difference in multitasking required to perform well at this level skews heavily in favor of Protoss (at least in late game), but once both sides have better multitasking Protoss sees diminishing returns while Terran improves drastically and it evens out quite a bit the higher you go up. edit: Basically I don't believe it's worth worrying about imbalance at lower leagues. If you're about to break into the pro scene however, my hats off to you and you'll be called a patch zerg no matter what you do. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 04 2012 20:25 Ogww wrote: I'd watch 100 2 rax TvZ's over one winfestorturtle anytime. Atleast first one is exciting and requires micro from both sides. Yea its so exciting to see marines hugging a wall where zerglings can't see them and just roll over a die. | ||
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