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On December 04 2012 14:21 KanoCoke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:16 fighter2_40 wrote:On December 04 2012 14:11 KanoCoke wrote:On December 04 2012 14:04 fighter2_40 wrote:On December 04 2012 13:54 KanoCoke wrote:
Here's a proposition: delete infestors and bring back defilers. Bring back the arbiter for Protoss, and bring back the science vessel for Terran.
Problem solved. It's not that simple. Arbiter in todays protoss army would be too imba as colossus are supreme on the ground, if you freeze out two parts of the opponent army you can just rofl stomp them once they unfreeze with colossus parked next door. It'd be a mini archon toilet. Also the game engine causes units to clump up way more than in broodwar so you can freeze like 50 marines at once instead of like 10-12 max. Defilers would still be hive tech and would not be out in time for midgame colossus pushes. if you made them lair tech who knows wtf will happen o_O blizzard wont take that risk it's too unpredictable. Science vessel is a pretty cool unit. Dunno how it will fare if it was brought back. Again another wildcard. - Make Defilers available for Lair tech, with more extravagant spells only available at hive tech. - Make Arbiter stasis field radius smaller, just like they did for Ghost EMPs Problem double solved. Recall + stasis is going to break PvT. Terran is already struggling this is just going to set it over the edge. Something first has to be done about the colossus being a unit. It's existence is fucking everything up in SC2. This is not just the biased opinion of one race. Like what extravagant spells? consume? It's probably going to still need plague for holding protoss pushes. Of course get rid of colossus and maybe dark swarm will suffice. Then delete the colossus and return the reaver. Another problem solved.
Blizzard has said multiple times that they are vehemently opposed to bringing Brood War units back into the game because StarCraft II is not Brood War. I agree with them on this one aspect, they just have not been able to design units that work together as well as they did in Brood War, which is just a matter of major balance changes that, so far, Blizzard has been to afraid to make.
You can't bring just two or three Brood War units back into the game either because they will be imbalanced without their counters from Brood War as well. You can't bring back some units without others because their design will not work with the way that Starcraft II has been designed and balanced.
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On December 04 2012 14:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:05 gslavik wrote:
I have said it in numerous other places as well. If we let Blizzard "balance" the game, it is not a sport. Something that is a sport should not be controlled by a private entity. With all these feelings about bad design, I would like to propose that maps are instead made with their own units and their own spells. Look at SC2BW maps for some of the possibilities. tahts just impossible, pros would be unable to practice since every tournament would be different youd have to have ltierally every tournament agree on one map to use and even then someone would have to balance so youd just be changing it from blizzard to a different party Show nested quote +the entire Top 4 consists of no-name players who broke out and became incredibly good (maybe with the exception of Ryung).
uh leenock? the top 4 are all extremely good players just because there not the super famous personalities doesnt degrade there skill
Wait, Leenock was in the Top 4? o.O
Ryung, Innovation, HyuN, Sniper... am I going crazy?
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On December 04 2012 14:35 Entirety wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 04 2012 14:05 gslavik wrote:
I have said it in numerous other places as well. If we let Blizzard "balance" the game, it is not a sport. Something that is a sport should not be controlled by a private entity. With all these feelings about bad design, I would like to propose that maps are instead made with their own units and their own spells. Look at SC2BW maps for some of the possibilities. tahts just impossible, pros would be unable to practice since every tournament would be different youd have to have ltierally every tournament agree on one map to use and even then someone would have to balance so youd just be changing it from blizzard to a different party the entire Top 4 consists of no-name players who broke out and became incredibly good (maybe with the exception of Ryung).
uh leenock? the top 4 are all extremely good players just because there not the super famous personalities doesnt degrade there skill Wait, Leenock was in the Top 4? o.O Ryung, Innovation, HyuN, Sniper... am I going crazy?
no i am 
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On December 04 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:35 Entirety wrote:On December 04 2012 14:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 04 2012 14:05 gslavik wrote:
I have said it in numerous other places as well. If we let Blizzard "balance" the game, it is not a sport. Something that is a sport should not be controlled by a private entity. With all these feelings about bad design, I would like to propose that maps are instead made with their own units and their own spells. Look at SC2BW maps for some of the possibilities. tahts just impossible, pros would be unable to practice since every tournament would be different youd have to have ltierally every tournament agree on one map to use and even then someone would have to balance so youd just be changing it from blizzard to a different party the entire Top 4 consists of no-name players who broke out and became incredibly good (maybe with the exception of Ryung).
uh leenock? the top 4 are all extremely good players just because there not the super famous personalities doesnt degrade there skill Wait, Leenock was in the Top 4? o.O Ryung, Innovation, HyuN, Sniper... am I going crazy? no i am
Anyway, my point was not that no-name players have no skill. My point was the opposite, that no-name Koreans have TONS of skill... that random Code B Korean you see? He could be the next breakout player who makes Top 4 GSL.
Thus, even a match between Code S Champion and Code B Korean can still be a close match, much much closer than Code S Champion vs. mediocre foreigner. Honestly, the unknown Korean players are downright scary (see Dream vs. By.Rain)
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It's well written and has some truth in it but i can't help but think that some parts of it are childish and not constructive at all.
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On December 04 2012 04:44 jalstar wrote:
I don't get why you'd make plenty of valid points then put the conspiracy nonsense in so you can pass it off as "it was all a joke!"
Exactly what I thought.
All the people who posted in the first few pages laughing at those who took the OP seriously are probably the ones who need to read it again; he makes some reasonable and valid points before going all 'tinfoilhat' mode. The post actually comes across like he wanted to make his point, but then just pretend he was joking in case he gets warned/banned for making the 328597235th whine thread about infestors. If it's some 'meta' post about people making legitimate complaints about the infestor that are otherwise dressed in nonsense, then it's really overdone and not extremely obvious like he may have intended and some of you seem to think.
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I've never seen such pointlessly thorough balance rage, congratz
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On December 04 2012 14:38 Entirety wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:36 Forikorder wrote:On December 04 2012 14:35 Entirety wrote:On December 04 2012 14:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 04 2012 14:05 gslavik wrote:
I have said it in numerous other places as well. If we let Blizzard "balance" the game, it is not a sport. Something that is a sport should not be controlled by a private entity. With all these feelings about bad design, I would like to propose that maps are instead made with their own units and their own spells. Look at SC2BW maps for some of the possibilities. tahts just impossible, pros would be unable to practice since every tournament would be different youd have to have ltierally every tournament agree on one map to use and even then someone would have to balance so youd just be changing it from blizzard to a different party the entire Top 4 consists of no-name players who broke out and became incredibly good (maybe with the exception of Ryung).
uh leenock? the top 4 are all extremely good players just because there not the super famous personalities doesnt degrade there skill Wait, Leenock was in the Top 4? o.O Ryung, Innovation, HyuN, Sniper... am I going crazy? no i am Anyway, my point was not that no-name players have no skill. My point was the opposite, that no-name Koreans have TONS of skill... that random Code B Korean you see? He could be the next breakout player who makes Top 4 GSL. Thus, even a match between Code S Champion and Code B Korean can still be a close match, much much closer than Code S Champion vs. mediocre foreigner. Honestly, the unknown Korean players are downright scary (see Dream vs. By.Rain)
ok think i misread you a bit and were saying that koreans were fluking to top 4 or something gotta start reading extra closely when its late
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On December 04 2012 14:39 Wildmoon wrote:
It's well written and has some truth in it but i can't help but think that some parts of it are childish and not constructive at all.
Why does it not have to be childish and why does it have to be constructive?
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I think this article was great.
Super tongue in cheek, just enough conspiracy, but pointing out how powerful the infestor really is in this game.
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This post lost all credibility when you called Stephano white, dude got an afro !
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On December 04 2012 14:44 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:39 Wildmoon wrote:
It's well written and has some truth in it but i can't help but think that some parts of it are childish and not constructive at all. Why does it not have to be childish and why does it have to be constructive?
because it started off looking like it will be legit thread but then turned out that it's silly and we have enough non constructive thread?
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Dont know if i agree with everything, such as blizzard buffing zerg for white people.. i think you might be slightly joking on that one
but good post overall, i really miss ling bling muta vs marine tank. whether or not terrans DO have the capabilities to shift out the metagame from what it is now with interesting raven play or whatnot.. its simply boring as fuck, its stupid as fuck and i dont want to watch it.
i continue to watch starcraft in the hope that the games might be good and that i wont see the boring sack of shit that is the metagame now.
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On December 04 2012 14:52 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 14:44 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 04 2012 14:39 Wildmoon wrote:
It's well written and has some truth in it but i can't help but think that some parts of it are childish and not constructive at all. Why does it not have to be childish and why does it have to be constructive? because it started off looking like it will be legit thread but then turned out that it's silly and we have enough non constructive thread?
Like every other balance whine thread people make? Only been about 1 constructive balance thread, and that's still going. Designated balance thread.
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Some of the accusations are tinfoil arguments, but the stats are there. Those of us that watch a decent number of Code S games also knows what's going on.
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It seems to me that the blizzard conspiracy section of the article was included to try and drive the point home that if blizzard refuses to acknowledge the problems with their design despite the trends, there must be a reason. Otherwise the conclusion would be that we've been playing a broken game for months now due to design incompetence, and that's not exactly a high note to end on, quite depressing actually.
I liked the conspiracy theory at the end, it's sort of an amusing notion to entertain (though of course without any real merit), compared to what's likely the truth, that shit's actually imbalanced and has been for a while.
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I realize I'm like wayyy behind most of you... but I think I just came to the self-realization I enjoy watching PvP more than another match up, ZvZ.
I never thought this day would come...
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On December 04 2012 14:39 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 04:44 jalstar wrote:
I don't get why you'd make plenty of valid points then put the conspiracy nonsense in so you can pass it off as "it was all a joke!" Exactly what I thought. All the people who posted in the first few pages laughing at those who took the OP seriously are probably the ones who need to read it again; he makes some reasonable and valid points before going all 'tinfoilhat' mode. The post actually comes across like he wanted to make his point, but then just pretend he was joking in case he gets warned/banned for making the 328597235th whine thread about infestors. If it's some 'meta' post about people making legitimate complaints about the infestor that are otherwise dressed in nonsense, then it's really overdone and not extremely obvious like he may have intended and some of you seem to think.
That's the thing that's great about satire. You can make valid arguments that make a convincing case, and be light-hearted and humorous at the same time. People who are interpreting the whole post as "lol it's all a joke" or "omg this is serious? you're retarded" are both missing the point.
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