EPTWas just reading through forums this morning and realized we didn't communicate our general direction for the major balance patch before the holidays.
Zerg
4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily
Bad news, it's HotS, not WoL.
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Was just reading through forums this morning and realized we didn't communicate our general direction for the major balance patch before the holidays. Zerg 4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily Bad news, it's HotS, not WoL. | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On December 04 2012 11:34 theman1213 wrote: says a zerg -.- I imagine you being pissed of too, if this thread would be about collosus op or something like that, so dont post any comment like that pls! Haha man another german with no sleep... I hate Zerg... really I can't stand see them win with nothing - but I like the sarcasm that is put into this post. It is really funny... and true. I don't cry about balance because of loses. I am that bad that my loses all result out of my own errors so its nothing about the other race. Also I want to switch Zerg is such a boring race. Nowadays | ||
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BalanceFx
United States72 Posts
I usually play 2v2 and 3v3 with random allies at the plat/gold level. I switched from zerg to play protoss because I am really not good enough to be consistent with terran and Protoss is probably a bit easier than terran. The reason I switched is doing a replay analysis one night with a glass of scotch. Crap play infestors win.... worse play infestors win... Infestors were becoming my crutch. I would have 3-4 groups of festors shift clicked with infested marine drops along with baneling drops on min lines while either doing nothing and watching/chatting with ally or running my sling army around. (Sometimes into lines of collosi or siege tanks  )I think based on Dayvie's latest post the infestor will be in for a giant nerf in the aptly named heart of the swarm. (Their heart does seem to be the infestor) As an aside I'm not huge fan of HoTS right now either... The Widow mine and Tempest are bit too easy too abuse but even there I think the infestor crutch is preventing Zerg from trying new things and really exploring HoTS short of the swarm host. (Which is not bad... I'm still a fan of the Lurker over the swarm host but meh) Actually I could say a lot about HoTS but I think I'll wait and see where blizzard takes it next. (OK I will also say maybe some zergs are really trying to make hydras work... brood lord nostalgia perhaps) | ||
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Xenocryst
United States521 Posts
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10341 Posts
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
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Survivor61316
United States470 Posts
On December 04 2012 10:51 moskonia wrote: I see that you have putted a lot of effort into this but seriously man, I've read through about half before I had to stop, your saying things so silly its amazing. I want to ask you why not put mirror matches? If your conspiracy is true than Zerg is imba because Blizzard wants white people to win, but if foreigners beat koreans in mirror matches it means foreigners simply got better instead of Blizzard trying to let them win. I want to see mirror matches wins, since the only reason you did not put them up is because it would ruin your silly theory. Besides the mirror matches wins of course there are many more clues as why this whole thread is silly and wrong, but I think this thread is a troll thread, no more, no less, and if it is not than I pity you sincerely. EDIT: I think the only reason this thread is not closed is because the OP is a respectable member of TL, but IMO if someone writes so much BS there should be no special treatment. Its clear you play as zerg, only a zerg could troll this hard.. Did you miss the stat where almost 45 korean terrans lost to foreigners and about 21 protoss koreans lost, but only 8 zergs?? Thats almost a 3:1 ration p to z, and over a 6:1 ratio t to z, not exactly balanced.. And only 2 foreign terrans have beat any koreans, one tvp and one tvz, while out of the 26 foreign protoss wins, 19 were against korean terrans and only 7 against korean zergs (no doubt probably using immortal sentry pushes), and all while 21 foreign zergs have beaten korean toss and 25 foreign zergs have beat korean terrans. If you can honestly look at these stats and not see a gross imbalance youre fooling yourself. And including mirror matches would have ABSOLUTELY NO MEANING IN THIS CONTEXT. The op is about how one race (zerg) is imbalanced in comparison to the other races. Thus, mirror match statistics do not matter because a race is always 100% balanced against itself. He is not arguing that foreigners are not progressing skill wise, but that foreign zergs are clearly doing much, much better than their counter part races in this regard. That is what the graphs and pics was pointing out. Otherwise how do you explain only one race getting exponentially better while the other two (particularly terran) lagged far far behind?? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 04 2012 11:45 caradoc wrote: Well, on the good side of things, Dayvie posted this today, for the newest HotS balance patch: Bad news, it's HotS, not WoL. They said they would try HoTs first then put it in WoL if they like the changes they make for infestors, dunno bout toher units but their playtesting infestor nerf on hots. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
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tuestresfat
2555 Posts
On December 04 2012 11:45 caradoc wrote: Well, on the good side of things, Dayvie posted this today, for the newest HotS balance patch: Bad news, it's HotS, not WoL. yea they're not really gonna mess with WoL balance anymore. It's all focused on HotS. | ||
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Veloh15
United States161 Posts
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FXOBoSs
337 Posts
Your whine is not invalid, but you are not taking into account the fact that the elite terrans of korea could go mass marine and split vs zerg without fungal. And win more than 50% of the time. Your comparison for good fungals, although showing my bias, is leenock. If you sit and watch leenock play, I doubt many people can mimic what he does, same goes for life, sniper et al.. This isn't a problem with just fungal. Its a problem after you nerf fungal, how does zerg win? Fungal over balanced the an issue that existed, so there needs to be multiple balance changes to make the game balanced. But no one has shown they actually know what the balance changes are. Gumiho solves the problem of infestors with ghosts and lots of them. It does leave him open to certain transitions though, but he is still having success with it and thats even with the current patch. I think one of the issues that has occured is that zerg over the time since beta has had to adapt quicker to imbalance than the other races. On this fungal patch, protoss was dominating the scene originally. Then zergs figured it out and now zerg is romping. Yet we are still seeing terrans and protoss players playing exactly the same as pre patch. One of the issues is that maybe there are too many tournaments going on for the top guys to sit down and work it out. Because the time it takes to work it out may affect their results. I know that Tear doesn't seem to struggle against zerg too much, because his timings are all pre infestor/blord mass. So the zerg can't just sit there and go straight to infestor brood. There is a solution to every problem, it just seems whining is the easiest option. Enjoy flaming me! | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On December 04 2012 12:19 blade55555 wrote: They said they would try HoTs first then put it in WoL if they like the changes they make for infestors, dunno bout toher units but their playtesting infestor nerf on hots. Yeah, the Browder WCS interview he basically wants to use HOTS as a test-realm since there are a lot of players testing HotS and they dont want to seriously screw over WoL professionals by making sudden untested changes. | ||
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Zenatsu
100 Posts
The magician forced a card. I think this article is the same kind of trick. PS: Lets list all the topics people have QQ'd about since SC2 beta. Not going to lie, people bitch about every little thing that anyone dose. Force Fields are still pretty gay, why cant we Nerf those? | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
On December 04 2012 12:25 FXOBoSs wrote: So much effort to whine about balance. Your whine is not invalid, but you are not taking into account the fact that the elite terrans of korea could go mass marine and split vs zerg without fungal. And win more than 50% of the time. Your comparison for good fungals, although showing my bias, is leenock. If you sit and watch leenock play, I doubt many people can mimic what he does, same goes for life, sniper et al.. This isn't a problem with just fungal. Its a problem after you nerf fungal, how does zerg win? Fungal over balanced the an issue that existed, so there needs to be multiple balance changes to make the game balanced. But no one has shown they actually know what the balance changes are. Gumiho solves the problem of infestors with ghosts and lots of them. It does leave him open to certain transitions though, but he is still having success with it and thats even with the current patch. I think one of the issues that has occured is that zerg over the time since beta has had to adapt quicker to imbalance than the other races. On this fungal patch, protoss was dominating the scene originally. Then zergs figured it out and now zerg is romping. Yet we are still seeing terrans and protoss players playing exactly the same as pre patch. One of the issues is that maybe there are too many tournaments going on for the top guys to sit down and work it out. Because the time it takes to work it out may affect their results. I know that Tear doesn't seem to struggle against zerg too much, because his timings are all pre infestor/blord mass. So the zerg can't just sit there and go straight to infestor brood. There is a solution to every problem, it just seems whining is the easiest option. Enjoy flaming me! gumiho whines about zerg too.... | ||
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MSMWoZZki
Canada22 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On December 04 2012 12:25 FXOBoSs wrote: So much effort to whine about balance. Your whine is not invalid, but you are not taking into account the fact that the elite terrans of korea could go mass marine and split vs zerg without fungal. And win more than 50% of the time. Your comparison for good fungals, although showing my bias, is leenock. If you sit and watch leenock play, I doubt many people can mimic what he does, same goes for life, sniper et al.. This isn't a problem with just fungal. Its a problem after you nerf fungal, how does zerg win? Fungal over balanced the an issue that existed, so there needs to be multiple balance changes to make the game balanced. But no one has shown they actually know what the balance changes are. Gumiho solves the problem of infestors with ghosts and lots of them. It does leave him open to certain transitions though, but he is still having success with it and thats even with the current patch. I think one of the issues that has occured is that zerg over the time since beta has had to adapt quicker to imbalance than the other races. On this fungal patch, protoss was dominating the scene originally. Then zergs figured it out and now zerg is romping. Yet we are still seeing terrans and protoss players playing exactly the same as pre patch. One of the issues is that maybe there are too many tournaments going on for the top guys to sit down and work it out. Because the time it takes to work it out may affect their results. I know that Tear doesn't seem to struggle against zerg too much, because his timings are all pre infestor/blord mass. So the zerg can't just sit there and go straight to infestor brood. There is a solution to every problem, it just seems whining is the easiest option. Enjoy flaming me! Why would anyone flame you? You stated the truth; infestors (along with some other problems) are making the game one dimensional and boring as fuck. However, fixing the problem MIGHT - i dont think even you in your vast knowledge can say for sure - require a more comprehensive rebalance of sc2... the kind browder alluded to in his recent 'before the holidays' balance comments. Blizz is willing to fix the problems, just not before HOTS, it seems. | ||
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Woizit
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LosZergs
United States100 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
On December 04 2012 12:39 LosZergs wrote: Get better. Your post in conjunction with your sig says it all. "Get better - spam F." | ||
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