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BreakfastBurrito
Profile Joined November 2011
United States893 Posts
December 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#221
You guys aren't going to stop until Zerg is taken out of the game completely. This is more whine than GomTvT of times past.
twitch.tv/jaytherey | Yapper891 if you are reading this, PM me. its Twisty.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
December 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#222
love this thread
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 03 2012 20:34 GMT
#223
Jesus Christ, so many idiots on the internet that can't understand this article lawl, sigh why do I bother to even read the comments.
IMNestea's biggest fan.
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
December 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#224
EXCELLENT ARTICLE
White-Ra fighting!
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
December 03 2012 20:35 GMT
#225
On December 04 2012 05:31 13_Doomblaze_37 wrote:
Does nobody understand what blizzard is doing? They are trying to increase game sales. The first game is terran based, so terran will of course start out as overpowered, and everyone will play terran. The expansion is a zerg expansion so they are slowly buffing zerg over time to make it overpowered. That way everyone will play HotS and play zerg. When LotV comes out protoss will be overpowered due to buffs over time for the same reason.

The sad zealot will commit suicide before LotV comes out.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#226
On December 04 2012 05:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Tl;dr at bottom of post

Ver, I applaud your efforts for what seems to be some kind of humor. It is obviously hard to write a very good satire. But your intentions and messages can be interpreted in too many ways. With some background knowledge of you and Monk and what Monk said regarding this thread, your intentions and messages can be made clearer, but it is still quite unclear exactly what your points are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the ending is similar to A Modest Proposal. The usage of only alluding to A Modest Proposal in the end can, by itself, be interpreted in many ways.

For example, by copying the style of A Modest Proposal's last paragraph, are you simply trying to make his thread humorous, to contrast the seriousness of most of the post?

Are you copying the style of A Modest Proposal to similarly show the ridiculousness of a need to nerf Zerg, as it was ridiculous for babies to be suggested to be eaten?

Are you saying that Zerg is indeed dominating, but are criticizing people who think Blizzard buffed zerg just so that foreigners can win more (there aren't many people who say/believe this)

Maybe you are criticizing both people who think Zerg is dominating and people who think Blizzard wants zerg to be the strongest and wants foreigners to win?

There's many other things I can think about, but these are just on the top of my head.

With Monk's post it's more clear what the general direction of your satire is, but with just Ver's post alone, I think it is open for too many interpretations.

Another thing I don't like about this post is that, unless you disagreed with Monk and felt many would indeed understand it (and if this is the case please disregard this), if you are posting this with the intention of only a few people understanding this and hoping to get some laughs from this -- while it may be funny to see people to fail to understand your satire, you and others can't really blame them; there is simply enough evidence to support many different interpretations of your post.

If you posted this with the intention of only a few people understanding it, is that not a form of laziness, or at least can be criticized? I don't think it's a good satire if not many people can understand it. A Modest Proposal is written in a humorous way that is easily understandable ( at least in our more sophisticated, modern, and educated society than in its time ) and has messages and points that are clearly discernible.

Now obviously it must have taken you a long time to write this; I'm not trying to make a personal attack "omg you failed to make a satire as well written as someone as famous as John Swift!" but would like to give my feedback that overall, the satire should have been clearer.

Tl;dr nice humorous post, didn't understand it at first, and still see too many interpretations that are possible, would have liked you to make it clearer because posting an unclear satire on a site like TL isn't such a good idea to me.


Exactly my thoughts, very well written post!
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
December 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#227
Holy **** --> Ver, you just awoke a fire inside me i thought was burned out months ago :') I cant CANT thank you enough, written with passion and a sence of humor this conveying such a strong and articulated message ..

The only person i would ever traval out of contry to see play is Mvp, So it fits that while you are saying foreinger wins bring more viewers, i sadly am the one almost exclusively watch Korean Vs korean matched - for the simple reason: Its the best matches... wow i , just .. thank you Vet .. Would read again 6/5 all the way..
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Left hand
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland133 Posts
December 03 2012 20:36 GMT
#228
Good article. It ties in well with this one about BitByBit, the most tragic victim of the patchzergs:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242118
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 03 2012 20:37 GMT
#229
On December 04 2012 05:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
This thread is racist
misinformed and often times down right incorrect.
For example, the reason fungal was buffed was because of massvoidrays
or any combination of voidray collosi combo that could not be engaged at any angle.

What a long winded QQ.


sigh.....you sir.... nvm
IMNestea's biggest fan.
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
December 03 2012 20:38 GMT
#230
On December 04 2012 03:58 Ver wrote:Yet what has Blizzard's response been? Do nothing and claim all is well. In one interview after another, Blizzard's dubious statements have created volumes of outrage at how they seem to be living in an Ivory Tower, walled off from reality. In Blizzard's imaginary world, players sit at home devising plans to maximize the usage of destructible rocks and infestors don't dominate almost every high level game, either by threat - go allin and win before hive+infestors - or actual appearance. Games like Scarlett vs Hero on Taldarim (MLG Dallas), where a 7 base Hero who is massively outplaying Scarlett with great harass ends up losing because she marches 1 broodlord/infestor army across the entire map, are just imaginary to Blizzard. So it seems superficially.


Huh? Their response was to let the game play out before immediately patching it as they did to reapers, hellions, ghosts, thors, etc. It's what the response should have been with every balance patch.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32743 Posts
December 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#231
This article just hits the question on the head I feel, just the sheer amount of research and thinking is incredible, and I commend you for it Ver.

+ Show Spoiler +
Ending was just the best ever.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#232
On December 04 2012 05:32 Miotonir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:23 Twistacles wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:19 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:16 Twistacles wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:10 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:02 jliu wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:57 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:53 Twistacles wrote:
... it became a dumb 3 base coinflip.

A 3 base ... coinflip xD? what does it mean? is it a thing?
how is it diffrent from 2 base coinflip?
I cant conprehend 3 base coinflip.


I think what the OP means is that the matchup has become based around a single 3-base timing (2-2, 150 supply), since early game timings are nerfed and the late game is so zerg dominant.


3 base is the max u can get(minerals) 4 base u only populate gases... how can u call 3 base 150 supply push a coinflip. Also are we gonna now cry coz someone cant cheese? I find Terran Mech to be incredibly potent late game and hard to beat with nice upgrades. I think all the whining is lazyness.


It's a coinflip because if you catch him cutting corners, you win, if he's safe, you lose.
If you wait for 200/200 and he was playing safe, you win. If he was cutting corners, you lose.



Then u are doing it wrong. Are you saing that ur basing ur game on a single attack? There is bunch of factors comming into play regardless if ur cutting corners or playing safe. Your basing you chance of success on your build? Mechanics only? Then something is seriously wrong with ur play.


There's only one window to do damage, and that is pre-hive. The best pre-hive push is a 3cc +2/+2 attack. Mech is only good if the zerg goes afk and lets you roast 60 drones. If the push gets completely shut down the Terran can't come back and dies to infestor/broodlord.


So u recon that u should be able to burn 60 drones with 4-6 helions ... do u think reverting to queen range 3 would alow that or maybe zergs learned that queen is good unit to defend with?
Maybe its time for u to think of something diffrent than 6 helion runby which ive seen 1000 and more times.


That's not what I said? I said for mech to work you need to roast a lot of drones. I'm talking about a marine tank +2/+2 push, which doesn't need roasted drones to work
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:40:46
December 03 2012 20:39 GMT
#233
Thank you Ver.
Sincerely.
Zest fanboy.
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
December 03 2012 20:41 GMT
#234
On December 04 2012 05:36 Left hand wrote:
Good article. It ties in well with this one about BitByBit, the most tragic victim of the patchzergs:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242118


How did I not catch this thread? And the one about TheBest is even better, haha.
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:41:59
December 03 2012 20:41 GMT
#235
While I agree with a lot of the sentiment behind OPs post, I can't help but laugh at the conspiracy theory presented to the reader.

Are we supposed to believe that the current state of the game was just part of a grand scheme set in place by Blizzard 2 years ago?

First, they make Terran indisputably the best race to entice everybody to pick it up.

Then, they nerf the obviously OP things that anybody can do with the race (reapers and 50 damage vs all siege shots), but still allow for the koreans to win through their superior mechanics.

They continually chisel down on Terran viability, while keeping the high mechanical demand of micro'd marines just to entice those poor witless pros.

Finally, 2 years after release, they cement foreigner hopes by locking the game in a Zerg-favored, skill-void patch.

MUAAHAAHAAHAA~
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
December 03 2012 20:42 GMT
#236
If I just read a 10 page thread and you didn't mean a word of it, sir fuck you.

Because I thought it was a really well written account of what is really going on and I honestly believe Blizzard made Zerg like this, maybe to sell products, make people hyped for 'the Zerg expansion' or to allow white people to win (if put this way it looks racist but the bottom line is that foreigner = viewers, you cannot tell me that population didn't shoot way up during Stephanos run and Twitter didn't blow up a bit that part is NOT a joke).

I was watching a YouTube most epic Starcraft 2 video moments last night and so much of them were pre patch, give me the days of Boxer, Nestea, MKP, Polt, Hero and the Immortals, baneling landmines, defensive nukes, multi-pronged drop harrass from medivacs, blink stalker micro, Ghosts sniping Broodlords, Ultralisk drop harrass (even if that was a joke), Battlecruisers vs. Archon Toilets.

This is the stuff that made SC2 great, now all movement is dead thanks to Sick Fungals, Tasteless.

You know whats really pathetic, how we all knew Stephano lost because he didn't make Infestors against Squirtle and if he did he probably would've reverse all-killed. That sucks.
In 1984, I was hospitalized for approaching perfection. --Random Rules
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:43:02
December 03 2012 20:42 GMT
#237
holy crap, this is the longest balancewhine i've yet to read in my whole life. looking forward to it :D
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:44:50
December 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#238
Guys, obviously the "conspiracy" aspect of the OP is tongue-in-cheek, in order to present a serious issue with the game (that's making it die viewer-wise and player-wise) in a way that's easier to digest.

Ver, nice attempt at presenting this issue in a different light, but I think you failed to convey your sarcasm so that the less knowledgeable people in the community would get it. You should have toned down the conspiracy tilt quite a bit.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
December 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#239
Well played, I wish i could agree with the people calling bull crap. I even root for terran in tvz in freaking Broodwar, thats how much infestors have soiled zerg for me.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
December 03 2012 20:44 GMT
#240
Cool article: one thing to add:

Korean Terrans aren't as dominating against foreigners because of how hard Terran is to play but because of how aggressive you have to be. Because of the current poor game design you have to go for some sort of aggression and aggression is far easier to lucky blindcounter than turtlestyle.
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