• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:56
CET 22:56
KST 06:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 101SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1820Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
uThermal 2v2 Circuit OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone I would like to say something about StarCraft StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Elden Ring Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1786 users

Lings of Liberty: The Rise of the Patchzergs - Page 10

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 103 Next
DarK[A]
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:16:21
December 03 2012 20:15 GMT
#181
A few solid parts here and there, but far too much QQ.

Overall a bad post and you should feel bad.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:19:46
December 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#182
dat racism claim hahahha
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#183
On December 04 2012 05:10 Miotonir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:02 jliu wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:57 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:53 Twistacles wrote:
... it became a dumb 3 base coinflip.

A 3 base ... coinflip xD? what does it mean? is it a thing?
how is it diffrent from 2 base coinflip?
I cant conprehend 3 base coinflip.


I think what the OP means is that the matchup has become based around a single 3-base timing (2-2, 150 supply), since early game timings are nerfed and the late game is so zerg dominant.


3 base is the max u can get(minerals) 4 base u only populate gases... how can u call 3 base 150 supply push a coinflip. Also are we gonna now cry coz someone cant cheese? I find Terran Mech to be incredibly potent late game and hard to beat with nice upgrades. I think all the whining is lazyness.


It's a coinflip because if you catch him cutting corners, you win, if he's safe, you lose.
If you wait for 200/200 and he was playing safe, you win. If he was cutting corners, you lose.

"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
sHt_
Profile Joined January 2011
France239 Posts
December 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#184
The worst is yet to come, one and one single new unit for terran to come in Hots, which unit can only be usefull if abused which will result in a hardcore nerf shortly after release to the point of becoming a "never to be seen again" unit.

Pretty depressing future ahead imo, i just can't see the point of buying Hots if it's to play the exact same game as Terran, while the two other races will have new toys to own us with : /

on topic : Enjoyed the read a lot, but i don't get why we should take it as a joke, there is just way too much valid points and statistic (damn those graphs are depressing) not to be taken seriously.

Also, thanks for the new signature, i laughed a lot at that one :p


In Blizzard's imaginary world, players sit at home devising plans to maximize the usage of destructible rocks (c) Ver
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10135 Posts
December 03 2012 20:16 GMT
#185
10/10 Post. Brought memories, nostalgic feelings, angry feelings, laughs, conspiracy theory, and of course, fungal.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 03 2012 20:17 GMT
#186
On December 04 2012 05:14 TheExile19 wrote:
on second read this is the jokiest joke article to have ever joked

well written and played, seems almost designed to catch skimmers and those inclined to balance whine and make them abase themselves in the comments.


the statement that fungal is boring to watch and lowers the skill cap is entirely true.

he's just making fun of people who think there's a method to all this madness
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:19:51
December 03 2012 20:18 GMT
#187
Yeah Ver what sucks is you made a lot of legitimate points about ZvX,but then halfway through you start your satire...

It left me quite confused. You had really strong argumentsfor a different direction...but shifting your focus halfway through sort of ruined some of the tinfoilhat's potential.

I feel like if you had just referenced it right off the bat it would have been 2x more entertaining, as more people would figure out what direction you were heading.

Still quite hilarious though <3.

Also makes me rage because these issues are fucking real >.>.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 20:19:31
December 03 2012 20:18 GMT
#188
I actually laughed at the last paragraph: "I am, after all, simply a humble part-time white Terran". kekeke

This guy deserves a trophy.
|Terran|
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
December 03 2012 20:18 GMT
#189
So it's Blizzards fault for making foreigners not be able to beat Koreans...?
Miotonir
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland66 Posts
December 03 2012 20:19 GMT
#190
On December 04 2012 05:16 Twistacles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:10 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:02 jliu wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:57 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:53 Twistacles wrote:
... it became a dumb 3 base coinflip.

A 3 base ... coinflip xD? what does it mean? is it a thing?
how is it diffrent from 2 base coinflip?
I cant conprehend 3 base coinflip.


I think what the OP means is that the matchup has become based around a single 3-base timing (2-2, 150 supply), since early game timings are nerfed and the late game is so zerg dominant.


3 base is the max u can get(minerals) 4 base u only populate gases... how can u call 3 base 150 supply push a coinflip. Also are we gonna now cry coz someone cant cheese? I find Terran Mech to be incredibly potent late game and hard to beat with nice upgrades. I think all the whining is lazyness.


It's a coinflip because if you catch him cutting corners, you win, if he's safe, you lose.
If you wait for 200/200 and he was playing safe, you win. If he was cutting corners, you lose.



Then u are doing it wrong. Are you saing that ur basing ur game on a single attack? There is bunch of factors comming into play regardless if ur cutting corners or playing safe. Your basing you chance of success on your build? Mechanics only? Then something is seriously wrong with ur play.
YuiHirasawa
Profile Joined August 2012
Japan220 Posts
December 03 2012 20:20 GMT
#191
Regardless of community hatred at the game, white people will still show up to watch white people beat korean people. Admit it, you watched WCS Finals to see mediocre part-time foreigners that practice on NA or Europe take games off of better Protosses and Terrans who practice all day against the best competition (er wait, nevermind, there were no Terrans there)


So passive agressive but you forgot one thing: Stephano's raw talent which is on par or even higher than most Code S champions. He doesn't practice but won most of his premier tournaments BEFORE the patchzerg problem since he is the one who changed the metagame in this direction (metagame adopted by most korean zergs too by the way.) You can hate on Nerchio, Vortix or whatever but putting a picture of Stephano there is not fair. He's not a "patchzerg".

Terran players crying day and night spoil the game as much as the current state of infestors. They will always whine until their players like MVP and Taeja (better than any protoss or zerg player am I right, since Terran is the hardest etc) win every single tournament like in 2010. I do agree with most of your post OP but stop belittling other races so much..
Fun things are fun
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
December 03 2012 20:21 GMT
#192
On December 04 2012 05:18 Kluey wrote:
So it's Blizzards fault for making foreigners not be able to beat Koreans...?


did you read the article?
NOOBALOPSE
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada802 Posts
December 03 2012 20:22 GMT
#193
Really well written but a bit overdone I think.
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
December 03 2012 20:22 GMT
#194
On December 04 2012 05:18 Kluey wrote:
So it's Blizzards fault for making foreigners not be able to beat Koreans...?


What? According to OP's statement (which is somewhat true), it's Blizzard fault that way to many foreigners are able to beat Koreans.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 03 2012 20:23 GMT
#195
On December 04 2012 05:19 Miotonir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:16 Twistacles wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:10 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 05:02 jliu wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:57 Miotonir wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:53 Twistacles wrote:
... it became a dumb 3 base coinflip.

A 3 base ... coinflip xD? what does it mean? is it a thing?
how is it diffrent from 2 base coinflip?
I cant conprehend 3 base coinflip.


I think what the OP means is that the matchup has become based around a single 3-base timing (2-2, 150 supply), since early game timings are nerfed and the late game is so zerg dominant.


3 base is the max u can get(minerals) 4 base u only populate gases... how can u call 3 base 150 supply push a coinflip. Also are we gonna now cry coz someone cant cheese? I find Terran Mech to be incredibly potent late game and hard to beat with nice upgrades. I think all the whining is lazyness.


It's a coinflip because if you catch him cutting corners, you win, if he's safe, you lose.
If you wait for 200/200 and he was playing safe, you win. If he was cutting corners, you lose.



Then u are doing it wrong. Are you saing that ur basing ur game on a single attack? There is bunch of factors comming into play regardless if ur cutting corners or playing safe. Your basing you chance of success on your build? Mechanics only? Then something is seriously wrong with ur play.


There's only one window to do damage, and that is pre-hive. The best pre-hive push is a 3cc +2/+2 attack. Mech is only good if the zerg goes afk and lets you roast 60 drones. If the push gets completely shut down the Terran can't come back and dies to infestor/broodlord.
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
VTPerfect
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
December 03 2012 20:24 GMT
#196
if blizzards goal was to make white people win then both terran and protoss would be designed for 1 unit dominate every match up and attack move no matter what. however that is only the Zerg race so the only "white people" that claim regular victories over is Zerg and zerg wins every tournament unless major fluke happen
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
December 03 2012 20:25 GMT
#197
Amazing read, great insight, and not just +1, +2 or maybe +1,000,000 :D

Pro Sc2 has gone from extremely fun to watch to a scene that I don't even get excited about anymore since the dawn of the patchzergs.

I never gave as much credit to foreigner Zerg wins as I did to foreigners who won with other races, simply because the amount of skill required to play Zerg (with the infestor+turtle style) is obviously far less than the amount of skill required to play Protoss or Terran - with an emphasis on Terran.

Zerg was awesome back in the days of ling/bling/muta. Terran was awesome back when it could actually attack early game and keep the Zerg from getting out of hand. Protoss harass was cooler to see before fungal stopped it in its tracks.

Blizzard, please fix your game; I'd love to enjoy watching it again. Zvzzzzz finals are getting boring, especially when the entire point of the matchup is, as we saw in last night's Leenock vs. Violet finals, all about who can micro their infestors the best. I'd love to see Sc2 balanced around all of its units, not just 1.

Oh, and though some cry racism, it's just the way things work; more viewers is better for Blizz. My only problem is, I like to watch skill more than I like to watch foreigners, T_T I miss the days of MKP vs. DRG, when skill mattered more than investors did
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
December 03 2012 20:25 GMT
#198
One of the best OPs I've ever seen on TL. I think you're missing what really cause blizzard to go on this rampage though; "Koreans own white dudes."
Angel[BTL]
Profile Joined February 2003
Romania345 Posts
December 03 2012 20:25 GMT
#199
Does nobody read the eu.battle.net forums from blizzard? Here it is the latest statement for HOTS that addresses this issues

Zerg

1. Hydralisk movement speed upgrade to Lair

2. Mutalisk buff to speed and/or acceleration

3. Ultralisk changed to be good vs. all ground

4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily

5. Make it easier to unburrow and reposition Swarm Hosts


You can read more here -> http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966979955#1
Success is going from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm
Dr_Jones
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway252 Posts
December 03 2012 20:26 GMT
#200
So many words. So little meaning. I want the last 5 minutes of my life back...
wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub I love me some dubstep wubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwubwub
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 103 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
20:00
The 5.4k Patch Clash #10
RotterdaM342
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 342
PiGStarcraft252
ProTech150
JuggernautJason111
Nathanias 94
Railgan 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 449
Dewaltoss 145
Sexy 29
soO 16
NaDa 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
Dota 2
febbydoto12
Other Games
Grubby6339
tarik_tv3101
Liquid`RaSZi2498
FrodaN1699
mouzStarbuck468
DeMusliM468
Liquid`Hasu273
JimRising 260
B2W.Neo249
ArmadaUGS162
Livibee108
Mew2King65
Ketroc12
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV957
angryscii 37
Other Games
BasetradeTV32
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 74
• Hupsaiya 53
• davetesta36
• Belair 20
• musti20045 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 9
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV516
Other Games
• imaqtpie2613
• Shiphtur361
Upcoming Events
OSC
14h 4m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h 4m
BSL 21
22h 4m
Dewalt vs Cross
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Wardi Open
1d 14h
RotterdaM Event
1d 19h
Patches Events
1d 22h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.