Win Rates:Tournaments from September - December - Page 8

On December 04 2012 01:59 Skwid1g wrote:


You have no idea what you're talking about, it's actually kind of scary.

On December 04 2012 02:06 Wombat_NI wrote:

He is kind of right with the central idea though, that it's a balance between perception and pure stats that has to be looked at, rather than each them in isolation.

I mean I've heard Zergs describe Daybreak as 'slightly favouring Zerg' in ZvT and claiming that Antiga is 'massively Terran favoured'. Stats don't back this up at all in the current metagame. The reason the attitude still exist is a remnant of a former metagame where Marine-Tank pushes and slower hive enabled you to take the middle ground and split the map this kind of interaction in timings and intersection of strats has changed, so the map stats have changed accordingly. Ah the days of MVP splitting the map and sniping everything... good times

On December 04 2012 10:10 Scila wrote:
60% ZvT win ratio. "We do not see a significant imbalance at the top level of play." Also wtf PvZ is actually Protoss favored, probably because you can do your sentry immortal all-in.

On December 04 2012 10:12 aksfjh wrote:

good time*

Unlike this current stint of Zerg domination with a single unit, Terran hardly gets to revel in any of their own innovations before a swift kick in the balls is in order.

On December 04 2012 10:16 Brett wrote:

Probably because most of these tournaments have featured multiple top Korean protoss playing against what is, to them at least, second tier opposition in foreign zerg players. I wouldn't read much at all into these stats.

On December 04 2012 10:20 Wombat_NI wrote:

It's so sad man, I pine for the glorious sound of snipes raining down from the mouse of MVP. Yeah even if it was broken, at least it was rare, and thus kind of cool to see occasionally.

Zerg is so, so homogenised. Everyone seems to play either similarly, but to different degrees of proficiency. Leenock then kind of does some ridiculously intricate and cool build every so often, just to keep it interesting.

On December 04 2012 10:26 aksfjh wrote:

I will admit that some of the recent GSL TvZ games were really, really good, despite of the awful imbalance. Zerg showcased some amazing midgame strengths and fantastic unit control to over come positioning, showing what the race can do when you don't just a-move on the minimap while focusing on injects. It's just sad that the matchup for Zerg is basically how I play "scary" FPSs: with a auto-win cheat waiting for me if I ever find myself against a wall.

On December 04 2012 10:41 c0sm0naut wrote:
I think that one month should go by and we should look at rates as a community WITH blizzard

if the rates still show zerg at around 55-60% in both matchups, infestors should take a large nerf. I dont mean something like reducing the HP of the eggs, because that only limits their usefulness in one way. they should completely remove one of it's utilities, or at least make the infestors less suited for a role than another unit of zerg. For example, I think changing infestors burrow movement to be as easily detectable as a ghost, DT, or banshee would be a good move because it would make mutalisks a more viable harassment option in some circumstances. Other ideas from me would be, taking armor off of the morphing infested terran completely in combination with the HP nerf to 80, Making fungal growth unable to stun air units (this is i think the change that would have the greatest effect on the metagame), decreasing the radius of fungal growth to 1.5 and nerfing the damage to 35. Each of these changes alone would have a huge impact probably enough to where we wouldn't need to change anything about T or P in the meantime (maybe considering changing the way interceptors and fungal growth works as well)

On December 04 2012 09:54 zmansman17 wrote:
Zerg dominating both MUs.

On December 04 2012 11:08 Wombat_NI wrote:

Exactly why you have to have a proper discussion with Blizzard and the idea that balanced 50/50 winrates don't necessarily make the game fun

I mean we disagree with Infestors I think, but the approach has some validity I believe. It's the timings that Zerg units come out, that are only made possible by Zerg design that really brings the issue into focus. I mean I consider Infestors as 'feeling' like a High Templar, that you can spam from the midgame and with less downside for overmaking them and a more versatile unit.