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Tryagain4free
81 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:50 kcdc wrote: It's crazy how all the top level Terrans stopped practicing so hard. At least the Zergs have redoubled their work ethics. @ kcdc Nice one... | ||
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Glubschauge
Austria1216 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:56 keglu wrote: Even now there is more Terrans in GSL than Zergs and Protoss btw. yeah but it's easier to stay in the GSL than to qualify for it.. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26499 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:08 Grapefruit wrote: I was just about to make a very similar post. Some people...  It's fucking unbelievable lol. The relation between the effort I put into my posts, and the people who read them, in terms of like ever actually responding. Should just start posting about LoL in unrelated threads, or balance whining in LR threads if I want people to actually read them.... sigh. I'm hardly asking for people to sit around and wank off my ego by saying how great my points are, just trying to stimulate a bit of vaguely on-topic discussion that might be interesting. It's hardly like I'm expecting much, it's kind of the point of a forum. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:17 Wombat_NI wrote: It's fucking unbelievable lol. The relation between the effort I put into my posts, and the people who read them, in terms of like ever actually responding. Should just start posting about LoL in unrelated threads, or balance whining in LR threads if I want people to actually read them.... sigh. I'm hardly asking for people to sit around and wank off my ego by saying how great my points are, just trying to stimulate a bit of vaguely on-topic discussion that might be interesting. It's hardly like I'm expecting much, it's kind of the point of a forum. Actually I didn't answered to your posts because I thought they were pretty good and interesting =) I agree with your TvP views. | ||
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MyFirstProbe
Netherlands294 Posts
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keglu
Poland485 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:13 Glubschauge wrote: yeah but it's easier to stay in the GSL than to qualify for it.. Not anymore really, only Top8 has guaranteed spot. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:53 renaissanceMAN wrote: Why would you say that? Polt & Bomber made it to the #3 and #4 spots of the most recent IPL, Polt has been slightly up and down lately, but remains on an upward trend. MKP is good, but still tilts every once in a while, Taeja has fizzled out, but this could be due to injury. Who are you referring to? MVP is down for the count due to his injury, I hope he doesn't retire. If this is some attempt to put the blame on terrans for not winning recently, you're grossly mis-informed. damn bro.. you can't get sarcasm at all lol third time in this thread! | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:27 ImFromPortugal wrote: damn bro.. you can't get sarcasm at all lol third time in this thread! I'll just stop replying and cry at my desk at work | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:31 renaissanceMAN wrote: I'll just stop replying and cry at my desk at work i think he was being sarcastic | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
I really just wanna see a statistic that shows winrates at certain stages. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
i'm kind of serious | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 03 2012 23:00 aksfjh wrote: Interesting sidenote to that, they were all different Zs participating and winning. This isn't a case of "Life beats the crap out of every body!" True. It is not just the case of 2-3 great zergs kicking ass, it is more like every average zerg having decent chance of winning, even against high level Korean pros from terran. Leenock is a great plaery regardless of balance, so is DRG. But you suddenly have a swarm of zergs, all having good chance of beating Korean terrans. IEM comes in mind with Mvp being the only terran that could go through TvZ after TvZ and beat foreign zergs. Taeja is really the only one except Mvp that has good results in 2012. Without those guys TvZ would look even worse. | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
 ZvP is just a coin flip at the moment, all-in works or P is Broodlorded back to void. At least it seems that at the moment it is equal probabilities for heads and tails. In GSL world championsips Stephano showed some highly entertaining ZvP, though! Especially games against MC were great. TvP is at the moment only truly lively MU in my opinion. Both players have several possible strategies and playstyles available and balance is acceptable. I sometimes feel like I have to agree with people saying toss is a-move due to powerful aoe-damage and spammable chargelots, but terran has ways to overcome this. Edit: and thanks OP! Independent media is the first requirement for democracy, maybe Blizzard will have to listen to community when we're not completely dependant on them. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
For example in fighting games, when a character is considered over powered, it doesn't necessary imply it wins every tournament. Because skill of individual players factors in as well other variables that effect performance. Usually an OP character is analyzed on how powerful their move-set is in comparison to other characters. And this character could also require a significant amount skill to execute. That said it might also just have a crazy infinite. SC2 has to be balanced around how each race from early, mid to late game handles the various options of the opposition. In other words build orders, and unit relationship. Protoss winning with immortal sentry all ins, or whether a vortex hits isn't what I call balance despite the stats. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:24 Topzerg wrote: I remember in 2010 when Terran was ridiculously OP and Terrans were all saying the reason why there was so many Terrans winning and participating in GSL only because MORE players played that race. Well here it is for all you terrans: The only reason Zerg is winning more right now is because they have the most players playing the race which obviously means they have more of the BEST players. Sounds fun? Source... just so I don't get banned : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186193 21% of people had that amazing logic. Funny you say something like that because even now you have more terrans in Code S than protoss or zerg. It is not about counting number of players it is about the win rates. So yes, it is true that more Koreans picked terran but even though they are in majority, they are getting their asses kicked by zergs. And when Code S level player drops to Code A he will most likely get back to Code S despite of balance and you will again have more terrans in next season of Code S which will again get their asses kicked... | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:49 KingAce wrote: Protoss winning with immortal sentry all ins, or whether a vortex hits isn't what I call balance despite the stats. Yep. But Blizzard can't see the the forest through the trees... PvT is very close. | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On December 04 2012 01:00 convention wrote: I think the real issue is terrans stopped practicing TvZ, I mean back a few months ago there were lots of pros that had excellent TvZ, now I can't even think of one that I would say is a solid TvZ sniper. They must have all switched to practicing TvP instead, while zergs continued to refine ZvT (not sure who they practiced against though, surely couldn't have been terrans since no terran is really practicing TvZ anymore?) I hope this is sarcasm, not the attempt of explanation. You really believe all terrans suddenly stopped practicing TvZ? | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On December 04 2012 00:59 MrCon wrote: It's also a morale issue, when terran is at 51% vs zerg, Blizzard find it a big problem and give ferrarilords and queendralisks, and when zerg wins 70%, Blizzard thinks balance is fine and nerf eggs life by 20. If you're a pro and a terran nowadays, there is just no perspective or future before HOTS, so train for what ? You have no idea what you're talking about, it's actually kind of scary. | ||
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